All Things 2024-25 Vikings Regular Season Thread

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Ope3 said:
If it's a Jerry Rice type talent, sure. WR.
If it's Lawrence Taylor type talent, then Edger Rusher.
If it's Tom Brady type talent, then QB.
If it's Walter Payton type talent, then RB.
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You rate WR and RB higher than I do in their level of importance to the team (and therefore the amount of cap space I would designate to the position), so we'll agree to disagree.

I'd certainly hesitate before committing to a league-best contract for a WR, even a great WR, when I'm not sure of my QB and my offensive line is a bit of a work in progress. A star receiver doesn't do me much good if my QB is scatter-armed, or if my passer is lying on his back because my o-line can't protect him. In those scenarios, my star receiver might be wide open in the end zone, but because he's not getting the ball it does me no good at all.

And I'd never pay a RB a league-best contract unless my offensive line was pretty damn solid and set to go. Even the best RBs need blocking.

But... edge rusher is one position we agree on.
 
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RememberMurray said:
You rate WR and RB higher than I do in their level of importance to the team (and therefore the amount of cap space I would designate to the position), so we'll agree to disagree.

I'd certainly hesitate before committing to a league-best contract for a WR, even a great WR, when I'm not sure of my QB and my offensive line is a bit of a work in progress. A star receiver doesn't do me much good if my QB is scatter-armed, or if my passer is lying on his back because my o-line can't protect him. In those scenarios, my star receiver might be wide open in the end zone, but because he's not getting the ball it does me no good at all.

And I'd never pay a RB a league-best contract unless my offensive line was pretty damn solid and set to go. Even the best RBs need blocking.

But... edge rusher is one position we agree on.
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My list is more about the players, than the position. If you get those types of all time greats, build around them.

It's not about deciding the position first. All won Super Bowls. All had other HoFers around them as well, including their Head Coaches. Coach Hoodie will get there. Iron Mike is in as a player.

Jefferson might be an All Timer in the Rice "class". Time will tell.
 

Having a hard time handicapping the Vikings-Bears matchup this weekend. Apparently, some of the pros thought Williams looked a lot better and freer in the first game under the new Bears OC. And the game is on the road, outdoors, hard to say just yet how that bodes for Darnold and the Vikings.

At the end of the day, I have a hard time believing that Flores will not make things incredibly difficult for Caleb Williams. The QBs who have looked good against the Vikings were Goff and Stafford, a couple of wily veterans who know how to get rid of the football quickly. Williams hangs on to the ball for an eternity.

I have to believe it helps Flores and the Vikings to have a least one game on tape to see how the offense for the Bears changed under the new OC.

I like the Vikings to win, not sure if I like them enough to take the -3.5 that seems to be out there at the moment?
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
And the game is on the road, outdoors, hard to say just yet how that bodes for Darnold and the Vikings.
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What about Vikings on the road/outdoors is giving you pause?

They have already won 4 road games outdoors plus a neutral game.

2023 it was actually the Vikings record in the Zygi Dome that was atrocious.

Just in general, I don't think the Home Field matters as much as it used to. Any given NFL game seems to be 20-40% fans of the visitors, and I doubt Sunday will be any different. QBs seem to have perfected to the silent count. Maybe the earpiece in the helmets has helped too.

I'm not advising one way or another. A 50 degree forecast, dry, with moderate winds, just doesn't seem to that foreboding.
 


I'm not feeling it on Sunday. This has Darnold meltdown written all over it.
 

Ope3 said:
What about Vikings on the road/outdoors is giving you pause?

They have already won 4 road games outdoors plus a neutral game.

2023 it was actually the Vikings record in the Zygi Dome that was atrocious.

Just in general, I don't think the Home Field matters as much as it used to. Any given NFL game seems to be 20-40% fans of the visitors, and I doubt Sunday will be any different. QBs seem to have perfected to the silent count. Maybe the earpiece in the helmets has helped too.

I'm not advising one way or another. A 50 degree forecast, dry, with moderate winds, just doesn't seem to that foreboding.
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Home field doesn't matter as much as it used to, absolutely. My hesitation was just a general rule of thumb, indoor teams struggling outdoors, particularly later in the season.

I'm not going to bet the game, and I don't like the -3.5 number anyway. I'd consider taking Vikings on the M/L if anything. I need the Vikings to win, this is probably the last winnable game for the Bears in the NFC North and I still have that pending bet of the Bears losing all 6 of their NFC North division games.

I like the Vikings to win. I don't have a lot of faith in Williams. He's a chump
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Home field doesn't matter as much as it used to, absolutely. My hesitation was just a general rule of thumb, indoor teams struggling outdoors, particularly later in the season.

I'm not going to bet the game, and I don't like the -3.5 number anyway. I'd consider taking Vikings on the M/L if anything. I need the Vikings to win, this is probably the last winnable game for the Bears in the NFC North and I still have that pending bet of the Bears losing all 6 of their NFC North division games.

I like the Vikings to win. I don't have a lot of faith in Williams. He's a chump
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It has all the feel of CHI 23 MIN 20 for me with Darnold crashing down to Earth lately. If the Purple pull this one out, I like your chances on the season long wager.
 




Ope3 said:
My list is more about the players, than the position. If you get those types of all time greats, build around them.
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My approach is more about how to build a roster, and how the team you build works going forward.

Of all the players on the field, wide receivers might be the players who are most dependent on the scheme and the players around them. A great wide receiver needs someone to throw the ball to him, an offensive line to block for the QB, and a scheme that fits his talents. If any of those is missing, his talent is wasted.
 

RememberMurray said:
My approach is more about how to build a roster, and how the team you build works going forward.

Of all the players on the field, wide receivers might be the players who are most dependent on the scheme and the players around them. A great wide receiver needs someone to throw the ball to him, an offensive line to block for the QB, and a scheme that fits his talents. If any of those is missing, his talent is wasted.
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The Vikings are currently not wasting Jefferson's talent. They appear to have a plan to not waste his talent going forward.

Another analogy, in general a team does not build around an interior Defensive Lineman. If that DT though happens to be named Alan Page, then good things are bound to happen.
 

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