All Things 2023 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

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Gopher_In_NYC said:
Like that Correra has been dropped to cleanup and had responded after getting his timing and head squared away earlier.

We’ll need him producing there when we win our first playoff series; Rocko makes some subtle moves like these and Carlos credited the move to leadoff with getting out of his funk. Remember, he tried it earlier in the season with Kepler- no I don’t think he’s the next TK, however he’s not the next Ray Miller either.
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I have not looked at the numbers closely but since the initial hit steak Correa saw in the lead off position, I believe he has come back down again.
 


From the Parkinglot said:
I have not looked at the numbers closely but since the initial hit steak Correa saw in the lead off position, I believe he has come back down again.
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Yes, somewhat, but he is .256 in his last 30 games with a .730 OPS vs. career of . 273 and .823.

My broader point is to win a postseason series, we need either him or Buck be a contributor of some note. Personally I believe Buck is done for the season and even if he can come back, I’m putting my 💰 on Carlos FWIW.
 
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It’s almost like we should have added bullpen arms.

Also what’s the point of trading for Floro if they’re not going to use him
In close games?
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:
Yes, somewhat, but he is .256 in his last 30 games with a .730 OPS vs. career of . 273 and .823.

My broader point is to win a postseason series, we need either him or Buck be a contributor of some note. Personally I believe Buck is done for the season and even if he can come back, I’m putting my 💰 on Carlos FWIW.
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I have no faith in A.) that buck will be back and B.) he will provide anything on offense. He’s been unplayable for basically all year, so not sure why it would change now.
 

Attention twins front office Balazovic was not good in triple A. Why would you think he would be good in the majors? Of course when you have no other options what the hell difference does it make? It’s almost like you should pay some attention to the bullpen in the off-season rather then just assume everyone you have will improve and it will all just work.
 

From the Parkinglot said:
Attention twins front office Balazovic was not good in triple A. Why would you think he would be good in the majors? Of course when you have no other options what the hell difference does it make? It’s almost like you should pay some attention to the bullpen in the off-season rather then just assume everyone you have will improve and it will all just work.
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He was solid in the bullpen down there. Had no problem giving him a chance. Problem is they have 3 end of the bullpen guys.
 

When looking at the box score from today, I noticed Detroit's SP's last name as Faedo and it turns out Alex Faedo is the nephew of former Twins shortstop Lenny Faedo. For those unfamiliar, Faedo was around in the "darkness before the light" era in the early '80s before Greg Gagne cemented his hold on the shortstop position through the World Series years.

Regarding the torrid shortstop competition on the Twins in those days, I was a Houston Jimenez stan, my cousin a Ron Washington advocate and neither of us could stomach Faedo, for whatever reasons our 9 year brains differentiated between three players who combined for a career WAR of -0.2 (and since he's not on this board, I can concede my cousin was in the right, as Washington lead the field with 1.3 WAR over his 8+ year career.)

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From the Parkinglot said:
Maybe they are just consistently inconsistent. Sure would be nice to see Correa come through.
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If only savior #6, aka Chris Williams, could play SS😉

For those playing along at home, saviors 1-5 are -

Larnach/Miranda - they only count as 1/2 each IMO as their hype wasn’t overbearing to the point of making me completely nauseous
AK
Lewis
Julien
Wallner
 

coolhandgopher said:
When looking at the box score from today, I noticed Detroit's SP's last name as Faedo and it turns out Alex Faedo is the nephew of former Twins shortstop Lenny Faedo. For those unfamiliar, Faedo was around in the "darkness before the light" era in the early '80s before Greg Gagne cemented his hold on the shortstop position through the World Series years.

Regarding the torrid shortstop competition on the Twins in those days, I was a Houston Jimenez stan, my cousin a Ron Washington advocate and neither of us could stomach Faedo, for whatever reasons our 9 year brains differentiated between three players who combined for a career WAR of -0.2 (and since he's not on this board, I can concede my cousin was in the right, as Washington lead the field with 1.3 WAR over his 8+ year career.)

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Via Houston!
 


coolhandgopher said:
When looking at the box score from today, I noticed Detroit's SP's last name as Faedo and it turns out Alex Faedo is the nephew of former Twins shortstop Lenny Faedo. For those unfamiliar, Faedo was around in the "darkness before the light" era in the early '80s before Greg Gagne cemented his hold on the shortstop position through the World Series years.

Regarding the torrid shortstop competition on the Twins in those days, I was a Houston Jimenez stan, my cousin a Ron Washington advocate and neither of us could stomach Faedo, for whatever reasons our 9 year brains differentiated between three players who combined for a career WAR of -0.2 (and since he's not on this board, I can concede my cousin was in the right, as Washington lead the field with 1.3 WAR over his 8+ year career.)
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Thanks for looking up the Faedo connection, I was wondering that myself if there was any relation.
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:
If only savior #6, aka Chris Williams, could play SS😉

For those playing along at home, saviors 1-5 are -

Larnach/Miranda - they only count as 1/2 each IMO as their hype wasn’t overbearing to the point of making me completely nauseous
AK
Lewis
Julien
Wallner
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Don’t worry when Lewis is back playing third and you have Polanco at 1st getting throws from Julien at 2nd that infield defense will be amazing.

I assume you are being sarcastic towards my wanting younger players like Julien and Wallner to be called up when the team was not doing great in May and June.

My whole issue with the team comes down to how it was constructed in the off season. They wanted to trade Kepler and never did. Now that looks like the right move so congrats. They then went and signed Gallo for $10million when they already had a plethora of left hand mashers on the active roster and in at Paul. Plus Gallo was as unplayable last year. They did that instead of I don’t know spending some money on bullpen arms so that maybe you have more then 3 left handed relievers on the roster and maybe you have more then 2 relievers in the bullpen you can trust in a one run game. Now you are forced to use guys you really don’t trust in close games and things usually go sideways. For a team that prides itself on roster flexibility and putting players in the most advantages situation possible. I am not sure they have accomplished that with this roster as they badly needed a right handed outfield masher and bullpen help in the offseason and got neither of those things.

In my opinion the only saving grace that the front office has not been fired or at least changed is from the central division incompetence and the old Pohlad group that was not so interested in baseball. I fully expect changes to come this off-season with the front office and the number of other people that have worth behind the scenes.
 


From the Parkinglot said:
Don’t worry when Lewis is back playing third and you have Polanco at 1st getting throws from Julien at 2nd that infield defense will be amazing.

I assume you are being sarcastic towards my wanting younger players like Julien and Wallner to be called up when the team was not doing great in May and June.

My whole issue with the team comes down to how it was constructed in the off season. They wanted to trade Kepler and never did. Now that looks like the right move so congrats. They then went and signed Gallo for $10million when they already had a plethora of left hand mashers on the active roster and in at Paul. Plus Gallo was as unplayable last year. They did that instead of I don’t know spending some money on bullpen arms so that maybe you have more then 3 left handed relievers on the roster and maybe you have more then 2 relievers in the bullpen you can trust in a one run game. Now you are forced to use guys you really don’t trust in close games and things usually go sideways. For a team that prides itself on roster flexibility and putting players in the most advantages situation possible. I am not sure they have accomplished that with this roster as they badly needed a right handed outfield masher and bullpen help in the offseason and got neither of those things.

In my opinion the only saving grace that the front office has not been fired or at least changed is from the central division incompetence and the old Pohlad group that was not so interested in baseball. I fully expect changes to come this off-season with the front office and the number of other people that have worth behind the scenes.
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I was tugging your chain and actually agree with most of what you wrote.

My “savior” comment was a dig at all fans who think the next call up is the panacea for a poorly conducted roster.

I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding the plethora of left handed sticks and not enough bullpen help - but, it is what it is bro, so I cheer for what we have and try not and fret about what we don’t have.

If one has some sanity, they reach that level of un attachment in their 50s from the best I can figure and realize its a fun distraction and not a real important part of life.

The best outcome, as much as I hate to type it is, the Twins lose their first round playoff series, as I think that makes a house cleaning inevitable. Win the first round playoff series and it makes it less likely IMO.

I also think while Rocko makes some odd decisions, that not all lineup decisions are his (see Moneyball and the Hattenberg and Peña first base dilemma), hydra the FO are a bigger issue than him and would like to see what he could do with an elite FO.

A big part of his job is managing 25 guys over 7 months- that’s one of the reasons why they’re called managers and not coaches - it’s soft skill in resume parlance and I’ve read multiple comments from established players complimenting those abilities. Lastly, rarely go you see anyone on here compliment Him when he makes a good move, as I alluded to yesterday.

Now let’s rock this 🤡/red faced cherub.
 



Breakin' The Plane said:
I fully understand that a 162 game season has plenty of ebbs and flows, but Jiminy Christmas does this team rise and sink with the best of them.
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Now at 16 consecutive innings without scoring a run.

Sometimes they are so fun to watch, other times the play like a 100 loss team.
 



Breakin' The Plane said:
I fully understand that a 162 game season has plenty of ebbs and flows, but Jiminy Christmas does this team rise and sink with the best of them.
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Elite teams don’t play down to their competition; we used to say step on their neck and don’t let them up.
 



Disappointing. Coming into this series seemed like we finally had some momentum going. Would've been nice if we had at least split. Two steps forward and then two steps back all season.
 

Ope3 said:
Here's a thought, with the Twins sputtering as well as the Guards, the Tigers could certainly be a factor in the AL Central "race".

Offensively they are not much better than the Twins, but who knows that could be enough.
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From May 10th above, not out of the question yet. The shred assets yet still took 3 of 4.

Sigh.
 


Cleveland playing Toronto and we lose ground while playing Detroit.

We got Philly this wknd while they play TB. I still don't think it's possible for us to lose this division given the ineptitude of the other teams and Cleveland's remaining SOS versus ours.

I wonder what is the worst division in baseball history according to win percentage. 2023 Central has to be making a run at that dubious distinction.

Walker Jenkins 21 atbats, .429 avg, 1.122 ops.
 

golf said:
Cleveland playing Toronto and we lose ground while playing Detroit.

We got Philly this wknd while they play TB. I still don't think it's possible for us to lose this division given the ineptitude of the other teams and Cleveland's remaining SOS versus ours.

I wonder what is the worst division in baseball history according to win percentage. 2023 Central has to be making a run at that dubious distinction.

Walker Jenkins 21 atbats, .429 avg, 1.122 ops.
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Gotta be 2005 when the Padres won the NL West with an 82-80 record. The AL Central this year is way below that division in terms of winning percentage. Mainly due to the Royals being significantly worse than any team from the '05 NL West.
 

After dominating game 1 the Twins curl up in the fetal position and lose the next 3 to the Tigers. With that I’m not surprised. They are average and nothing more
 

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