All Things 2022 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread

[From the Parkinglot]

The turnover that just happened in the packer game is the exact opposite of what happened in the Vikings game. Packers running back is being held up by defensive players and they never blow the whistle. La guy comes in and rips the ball out for a turnover.

Maybe the rule should just be you’re not down until you’re on the ground. No more forward progress subjective calls. If you’re not on the ground you ain’t down.

 

[From the Parkinglot]

I mean if ever there was a call for forward progress to stop the play there it is . Nope let it run and then the turnover happens. At least the nfl is consistent with the rules.

 

[Ope3]

stop with this nonsense.

6-7

10-3


I know which one is better.

It wasn't meant as a dig on the Vikings accomplishments. They deserve to be NFC North Champions.

If they played again and had to pick a betting favorite, I think it would be the Lions. Heck if they play again in January at the Zygi Dome, Detroit might have to give a point or 2.

Could the Vikings beat them again? Sure but it's a coin toss at best. Detroit has outplayed Minnesota in 3 out of 4 halves this season.

Looking further ahead to 2023, Lions get the Rams 1st Rd pick plus their own. Vikings will have to play a 1ST Place schedule. It will be a tougher task.

 

[Ope3]

How funny would it be if Washington and Giants tied again, giving a middle finger to any other Wildcard hopeful?

Regardless if we're #2 or #3, we'd face one of those at USBS in a rematch.

Not necessarily. #2 might get the Lions or Seahawks, each just a half game behind.

Washington has to go to San Fran this week in another game pivotal to Minnesota & Detroit. Washington finishes with Cleveland and Dallas. Cowboys will probably be in load management mode. If they trip up either Det or Sea could sneak in.

#2 also gets a 2nd RD Home game and could host the NFC Championship Game should the Eagles falter in the Divisional Round.

 

[forever a gopher]

It wasn't meant as a dig on the Vikings accomplishments. They deserve to be NFC North Champions.

If they played again and had to pick a betting favorite, I think it would be the Lions. Heck if they play again in January at the Zygi Dome, Detroit might have to give a point or 2.

Could the Vikings beat them again? Sure but it's a coin toss at best. Detroit has outplayed Minnesota in 3 out of 4 halves this season.

Looking further ahead to 2023, Lions get the Rams 1st Rd pick plus their own. Vikings will have to play a 1ST Place schedule. It will be a tougher task.

You’re nothing if not consistent and persistent. Your perspective may be skewed by the games the Vikes have played against them. Their defense which made the Vikes often look silly is ranked 31 of 32 in both scoring defense and total defense. Vikes are dead last in total defense, and we know how maligned they’ve been. Jameson Williams, their first rounder last year has been active now for 3 weeks and has a grand total of one catch where the Vikes secondary let him run right past them. That’s not to say he won’t be good, but again, it’s the Lions. Odds are not in his favor.

I’m cheering for them, in the hopes of another team to keep the Pack out of the playoffs. But I’m not holding my breath.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

Not necessarily. #2 might get the Lions or Seahawks, each just a half game behind.

Washington has to go to San Fran this week in another game pivotal to Minnesota & Detroit. Washington finishes with Cleveland and Dallas. Cowboys will probably be in load management mode. If they trip up either Det or Sea could sneak in.

#2 also gets a 2nd RD Home game and could host the NFC Championship Game should the Eagles falter in the Divisional Round.

2>3

 

[JimmyJamesMD]

2>3

Philly will probably have to play Dallas in the second round

 

[gophersfan]

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

Holy shit. "The Rosen One" now in Minneapolis. The kid has talent, and I would guess he's a lot more humble than when he was coming out of UCLA. He was not a popular guy in the AZ Cardinals locker room the year he was drafted and played in PHX.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

The turnover that just happened in the packer game is the exact opposite of what happened in the Vikings game. Packers running back is being held up by defensive players and they never blow the whistle. La guy comes in and rips the ball out for a turnover.

Maybe the rule should just be you’re not down until you’re on the ground. No more forward progress subjective calls. If you’re not on the ground you ain’t down.

The original rules of football are straight forward- you wanna hold the ball you are coming down. Then they got the adjusted rules for the qb which has ruined the game.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

The original rules of football are straight forward- you wanna hold the ball you are coming down. Then they got the adjusted rules for the qb which has ruined the game.

The more nuanced/complex they’ve made it, the more watered down it’s become.

 

[Gophers_4life]

Not necessarily. #2 might get the Lions or Seahawks, each just a half game behind.

Washington has to go to San Fran this week in another game pivotal to Minnesota & Detroit. Washington finishes with Cleveland and Dallas. Cowboys will probably be in load management mode. If they trip up either Det or Sea could sneak in.

#2 also gets a 2nd RD Home game and could host the NFC Championship Game should the Eagles falter in the Divisional Round.

My statement was predicated on Washington and Giants both getting in.

#2 would be great, but KOC is also trying to get our battered roster healthy for the playoffs.

 

[Ope3]

In all that the refs did a wonderful job of explaining what happened and yet didn’t explain why it happened. Why did you possibly think a player struggling for yards had his forward progress stopped. Why did you miss a clear fumble in what was not even that large of a pile. How in Buffalo Minnesota game can the refs see a fumbled snap amongst 10 bodies and yet on this play with like 5 people around the ball you can’t see a clear fumble.

The first one was no doubt a quick whistle, and while questionable I could live with that one. (Bad) judgement call. Stuff happens.

2nd one was just flat out brutal. At least they got the ball on that one, but still really bad.

 

[Ope3]

Seems like national media doesnt want to give Kirko any cred.

Dude is dropping dimes. I think hes playing great. Taking hits, standing in the pocket. Still holds on to the ball at times for too long

Going back to the Jets game, he's taken some vicious shots by opposing defenders.

 

[Ope3]

The turnover that just happened in the packer game is the exact opposite of what happened in the Vikings game. Packers running back is being held up by defensive players and they never blow the whistle. La guy comes in and rips the ball out for a turnover.

Maybe the rule should just be you’re not down until you’re on the ground. No more forward progress subjective calls. If you’re not on the ground you ain’t down.

I get that, but an unintended consequence of that rule would be a goal line plunge could take like 30 seconds before the runner is actually "down" in a huge scrum.

But I did have the same thought when the Packer fumble happened, looked pretty similar.

 

[Ope3]

You’re nothing if not consistent and persistent. Your perspective may be skewed by the games the Vikes have played against them. Their defense which made the Vikes often look silly is ranked 31 of 32 in both scoring defense and total defense. Vikes are dead last in total defense, and we know how maligned they’ve been. Jameson Williams, their first rounder last year has been active now for 3 weeks and has a grand total of one catch where the Vikes secondary let him run right past them. That’s not to say he won’t be good, but again, it’s the Lions. Odds are not in his favor.

I’m cheering for them, in the hopes of another team to keep the Pack out of the playoffs. But I’m not holding my breath.

Not just the Viking games. They looked solid against the Bills and Jacksonville (who are also trending up), games I saw a lot of on TV. I was in the car on Sunday, and listed to a lot of the 2nd half of their win against the Jets.

The Lions bad start still is going to make it hard for them to make the playoffs, 538 has them at 40%. I think it's more like 50%, just a gut feeling.

Also past history with the Lions suggests they could screw it up beyond this year, but they also have a pretty new GM & President so I don't think it's necessarily fair to pin 60 years of failure on them.

Same goes with the Vikings in terms of 40+ years without a Super Bowl appearance.

 

[Ope3]

My statement was predicated on Washington and Giants both getting in.

#2 would be great, but KOC is also trying to get our battered roster healthy for the playoffs.

Sure, but after their Tie it meant the loser of the Giants/Commandos rematch on Sunday was going to have their chances drastically diminished, especially with the schedules both have to deal with. That was known before they even played.

Even though Washington currently has a better record than Detroit, their odds of getting in are lower.

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[Gophers_4life]

Sure, but after their Tie it meant the loser of the Giants/Commandos rematch on Sunday was going to have their chances drastically diminished, especially with the schedules both have to deal with. That was known before they even played.

Even though Washington currently has a better record than Detroit, their odds of getting in are lower.

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Hence why my post said that they should try to tie again ......

 

[Ope3]

Hence why my post said that they should try to tie again ......

But then the Giants odds would only be about 70% instead of the current 87%.

 

[forever a gopher]

Not just the Viking games. They looked solid against the Bills and Jacksonville (who are also trending up), games I saw a lot of on TV. I was in the car on Sunday, and listed to a lot of the 2nd half of their win against the Jets.

The Lions bad start still is going to make it hard for them to make the playoffs, 538 has them at 40%. I think it's more like 50%, just a gut feeling.

Also past history with the Lions suggests they could screw it up beyond this year, but they also have a pretty new GM & President so I don't think it's necessarily fair to pin 60 years of failure on them.

Same goes with the Vikings in terms of 40+ years without a Super Bowl appearance.

You are obviously correct in this statement, but man, is it hard to shake the ineptitude that came before you, even if all logic says that it shouldn't bare any weight. The majority of professional teams ebb and flow (remember how bad the Rams were pre "greatest show on turf", and then again pre McVay Super Bowl?), due to free agency, salary caps, reverse-order drafting order, etc. But once that culture of failure seeps into the core of your team, even with new players and new management, it can be very hard to shake. Ask the Browns; they had an insane number of high draft picks to get a "franchise" QB and failed every time. Or the Lions; they had a "franchise" QB AND a generational talent at WR at the same time and still barely got to mediocre and never even won a 4-team division. Pinning your hopes on Goff being "the guy" is risky at best. He's been playing really well lately, but I'm willing to bet the law of averages kicks in sooner or later.

 

[Breakin' The Plane]

It wasn't meant as a dig on the Vikings accomplishments. They deserve to be NFC North Champions.

If they played again and had to pick a betting favorite, I think it would be the Lions. Heck if they play again in January at the Zygi Dome, Detroit might have to give a point or 2.

Could the Vikings beat them again? Sure but it's a coin toss at best. Detroit has outplayed Minnesota in 3 out of 4 halves this season.

Looking further ahead to 2023, Lions get the Rams 1st Rd pick plus their own. Vikings will have to play a 1ST Place schedule. It will be a tougher task.

Yeah, the Vikings schedule next year looks daunting. The AFC crossover is the West, plus they get Philly, 49ers and that extra 17th game is going to be at whoever win the AFC North. The only positive is that they play everyone in the NFC South.

 

[Ope3]

Yeah, the Vikings schedule next year looks daunting. The AFC crossover is the West, plus they get Philly, 49ers and that extra 17th game is going to be at whoever win the AFC North. The only positive is that they play everyone in the NFC South.

Thanks for looking that up, I appreciate it. That means the Lions will likely get Dallas, Seattle and whatever team finishes 2nd in the AFC North.

That does favor Detroit on paper, but not dramatically. Seattle could turn the Broncos #1 First Rounder into a significant asset.

 

[TRF Guy]

 

[howeda7]

Yeah, the Vikings schedule next year looks daunting. The AFC crossover is the West, plus they get Philly, 49ers and that extra 17th game is going to be at whoever win the AFC North. The only positive is that they play everyone in the NFC South.

It's not really worth trying to assess at this point. Even from September-December a lot changes. The NFC South does look awful and Denver and Vegas aren't great. Add in 2 games with the Bears and that's at least 6 easy games on paper. Also possible that Dallas is better than Philly, the Rams come back with a vengeance, etc.

 

[Gophers_4life]

But then the Giants odds would only be about 70% instead of the current 87%.

But I was talking about the odds that the Giants and Washington both get in. IE, everyone else is kept out.

 

[Ope3]

But I was talking about the odds that the Giants and Washington both get in. IE, everyone else is kept out.

Yes, understood. I have a hunch though as Division rivals they care more about self-interest.

"We play to WIN the games!" I heard that somewhere. Even last year when the Chargers and Raiders could have tied to both make the playoffs, they were trying to win.

 

[From the Parkinglot]

I get that, but an unintended consequence of that rule would be a goal line plunge could take like 30 seconds before the runner is actually "down" in a huge scrum.

But I did have the same thought when the Packer fumble happened, looked pretty similar.

Honestly the Vikings might have got lucky on the 4th and inches stop again Indy. Yeah Ryan was short to begin with and then it looked like he might have got it but they called him down.

 

[Ope3]

Honestly the Vikings might have got lucky on the 4th and inches stop again Indy. Yeah Ryan was short to begin with and then it looked like he might have got it but they called him down.

Indeed. Solid point. Sort of a make good on the previous forward progress stop.

 

[howeda7]

It wasn't meant as a dig on the Vikings accomplishments. They deserve to be NFC North Champions.

If they played again and had to pick a betting favorite, I think it would be the Lions. Heck if they play again in January at the Zygi Dome, Detroit might have to give a point or 2.

Could the Vikings beat them again? Sure but it's a coin toss at best. Detroit has outplayed Minnesota in 3 out of 4 halves this season.

Looking further ahead to 2023, Lions get the Rams 1st Rd pick plus their own. Vikings will have to play a 1ST Place schedule. It will be a tougher task.

It's still the Lions. And it's still Jared Goff. Let's pump the brakes a bit.

 

[howeda7]

I get that, but an unintended consequence of that rule would be a goal line plunge could take like 30 seconds before the runner is actually "down" in a huge scrum.

But I did have the same thought when the Packer fumble happened, looked pretty similar.

Changing it to being down is not the answer. They don't want one defender holding a guy up while 3 others try to yank the ball out. The end of games would turn into nothing but that. The refs just need to be more consistent. You can say progress was stopped but hold the whistle and let it play out so it can still be reviewed.