Correa's not going to get you two potential All-Star pitchers. He's essentially a 60-game rental. Which is why talk of trading him while in contention is ridiculous. You'll get a slightly better package than you got for Nelson Cruz last year.
Lets see how the second half goes. Without looking at stats, seems hes been really good since the first month
I didn't initially comment on this part but I think there's a good chance this doesn't happen. Turner, Swanson and Bogaerts (he can opt out this year and most think he will) will probably all be free agents as well. So he'd be competing even more with other top SS this off season than last. Correa could potentially be the headline SS free agent by far in 2024.
He was good in May, great in June and been bad in July.
If they are going to make a run in the play-offs, Gray and Ryan have to be better than they have been lately. At this point, I would settle for making the play-offs and at least winning one game.
Scott Boras and Soto walked away from $440 million from Washington to go to free agency. They may not get anymore money, but they are gonna go to free agency and find out. Correa will be the same thing. Plus Correa hired Boras in the middle of the winter last year. That means the old agent got a portion of the twins contract and not Boras. I am 100% confident that Carlos Correa will become a free agent when the years over. Not saying the twins can’t or won’t resign him but he will be a free agent.
1 win would be an improvement over past playoffs.
Any move they make at this point should be for guys that have team control beyond this year. A 1/2 year rental doesn't make a lot of sense unless it's a real big name but there aren't a lot of those guys out there that would be available anyways.
I'm just saying he was a free agent last year and didn't get the offers he wanted. I don't see him getting anything better than he was offered last year.
The young pitching is in AA and AAA and not ready for the majors. Apologies for the negativity but I’ll believe it when I see it and they actually turn a prospect into a front end starter. Right now all they have done is develop starters into bullpen arms when they don’t work as starters. Falvey was hired for one reason the amount of pitches he turned out for Cleveland and that just has not happened here for whatever reason. Maybe the prospects were not as good, or the organization lacked the need strategy, but it just has not happened.
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I'm fine trading a #20ish prospect for a rental reliever. Limiting to only guys with control beyond 2022 is too limiting when you need 2-3 guys.
I normally respect Pat's baseball takes but he keeps saying the cupboard is bare, the Twins have a bottom 5 farm system etc. That just isn't true. Every list I've seen has them squarely in the middle around 15 +/- a couple. It's not as good as it once was but it's not bottom 5.Pat: Poor pitching makes Twins more than a trade from contention
The motive here today, in the midst of the Twins' historically long five-day All-Star break, is to suggest it would make no significant difference whether baseball CEO Derek Falvey scrounges the poorly stocked cupboard for a couple of prospects and deals for a notable pitcher at the deadline or decides to ride out the season.
Such a body might increase the chances of winning the Central from 35% to 40% , and then what?
The Twins would get Seattle, Tampa Bay or Boston in a three-game wild-card series, and be underdogs, even at Target Field.
And if somehow they were to end the 18-game postseason losing streak with a win, and then another, it would be the Yankees or the Astros.
You know how many home runs the Yankees' bullpen has allowed, even while pitching half the time in that bandbox? Seventeen.
You know how many home runs the Astros' bullpen has allowed, even while pitching half the time with that phony porch in left field? Nineteen.
Beyond competence, a secondary reason for this bullpen success is New York and Houston relievers generally don't begin to stir until the seventh, unless they need a restroom break.
Meantime, Twins' relievers receive a message to get ready in the fourth inning hours before the first pitch.
Make a trade? Ride it out? Shrug.
You can't win to a significant degree with the Twins' pitching, and you can't win a bidding contest for a true difference-maker with a dearth of top 100 prospects.
Poor pitching makes Twins more than a trade from contention
Let's celebrate All-Stars and Hall of Famers this week, while also being realistic about how these wobbly 2022 Twins stack up against Cleveland, Chicago and the AL's best.
Win Twins!!
I personally would rather they just do nothing if that's the only move they make. Because they won't get much for that and it probably wouldn't make much of a difference.
Doing nothing is unacceptable. Waving the white flag and trading Correa while in 1st place is just absurd. Do what you have to do to get to the play-offs, see what happens.
I guess I'm saying I don't think only getting a solid 1/2 year reliever is going to even get them to the playoffs. I'm all about making some bigger moves, I would just prefer they be for guys that are more than 1/2 year rentals.
I'm on board with that depending on the deal. If they're trading say Jose Miranda and Baily Ober for Montas though, I'd pass.
I would fully accept doing nothing (or next to nothing), and tend to think it would be the right thing to do. Standing pat they could still be relevant until mid-Sept, unless the White Sox catch fire, or still win the Division.
You have to fix the bullpen to give yourself a fighting chance. I think giving up a couple of prospects in the 10-20 range to do that is an acceptable middle ground.
If they can manage that type of trade to enhance the bullpen, then sure. Go for it.
That is why I think they went very college heavy in the draft. All pitchers have been college kids.
Not just the 5 day break. 2 games. Monday off. Two more games. Thursday off. Very odd. I believe they only have 8 or 9 games before the trade deadline.