All Things 2022 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

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gophersfan said:
Why did we bring in Joe Smith to pitch. horrible Rocco horrible.
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Smith is cooked and should be released asap. Two relievers are needed, but in the meantime put Archer in the bullpwn and Winder back in the rotation. And get Manaya back up.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I completely get the approach of pulling starters early. The numbers below show why it makes sense. The two issues I’ve had is 1) If the starter is throwing well and/or you have a comfortable lead, I don’t see the problem with letting him start another inning all while have a guy warming up in the bullpen. Maybe it’s as simple as “you allow a base runner, you’re getting pulled”. 2) If you’re going to use this strategy of pulling starters after 2 times through the lineup, then you have to have a strong and deep bullpen. Hell, Duran had never throw a pitch before this year so that was up in the air how good he’d be. Luckily he’s been great.

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That last part is what so confusing. The entire twins philosophy is to not let starters face the lineup for a third time. So that means you’re gonna put a lot of pressure on your bullpen. Yet that is one place they refuse to spend money on free agents and it also seems like the position that they trade from. As you pointed out Duran was not good last year and was injured and yet they were relying on him to be an all world player in the bullpen. Tyler Duffey has been bad since 2020 so they were expecting him to come back to his form from 2019. Griffen Jax was a starter that couldn’t cut it and not w he’s your 2ned best bullpen option behind only Duran. The only feee agent they signed was a left my specialist in Joe Smith who has certainly regressed back to the means from his start.

If your organizational approach to to limit starters then invest in the bullpen. Honestly I would have rather they spent $35 million in starting pitching and bullpen help as opposed to Correa as then Nick Gordon could have simply played short and not hurt himself playing in the outfield where he hardly ever plays.
 


Twins take Brooks Lee at #8. Most had him rated in the top 5 so surprising that he fell to them. Seen as high as #2. Switch hitter from Cal Poly, played SS. Many expect him to move to 3B or 2B.

 

Twins will not make the play-offs and are poorly managed. IIRC, they are 19-23 since June 1. The Indians and Sox are making a push.

Rico does not show much a feel for the game with his management style rather goes with the data. Everyone knows the bullpen is a huge liability yet he manages as if he has the best BP in the league!! Far from the data that he highly values. He seldom stays with the guy getting the outs, relies on data and then proceed to micro manages the game.

MLB players are pampered and RB falls right in line with that trend. I can only image the IR list if the Twins were in the NFL. Or even the NHL. We could be calling guys up from Cedar Rapids.
 




Patrick Reusse on the beginning of the end for the Twins?​

On Monday's Daily Delivery podcast, Reusse joins host Michael Rand and reiterates his lack of faith in the first-place Twins after they stumbled into the break.

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Patrick Reusse on the beginning of the end for the Twins?

On Monday's Daily Delivery podcast, Reusse joins host Michael Rand and reiterates his lack of faith in the first-place Twins after they stumbled into the break.
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Win Twins!!
 

BleedGopher said:

Patrick Reusse on the beginning of the end for the Twins?​

On Monday's Daily Delivery podcast, Reusse joins host Michael Rand and reiterates his lack of faith in the first-place Twins after they stumbled into the break.

www.startribune.com

Patrick Reusse on the beginning of the end for the Twins?

On Monday's Daily Delivery podcast, Reusse joins host Michael Rand and reiterates his lack of faith in the first-place Twins after they stumbled into the break.
www.startribune.com www.startribune.com

Win Twins!!
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Both the White Sox and the Guardians are set up to overtake the Twins by August.
 




RandBall: Twins path forward: Add pitchers? Trade Carlos Correa? Or do very little

The Twins continued to be a paradox right up until the final day of the first "half" of the MLB season, limping into the break after being outscored 11-0 and outhit 16-1 by the White Sox but still maintaining a lead in the American League Central.

The Twins started the year 4-8, and went 3-7 in their final 10 games before the All-Star break. In between, though, they went 43-29 — good enough for 50-44 overall and a slim lead over Cleveland (two games) and Chicago (three games) in a weak division.

The trade deadline is set for Aug. 2 this year, and in a scheduling oddity the Twins don't return from the break until Saturday. That will leave just 10 days from their next game until the deadline to determine a path forward this season.

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Twins path forward: Add pitchers? Trade Carlos Correa? Or do very little?

How does the Twins' brain trust feel about the 2022 team? We'll find out soon enough based on what happens before the trade deadline.
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Win Twins!!
 

At this point I think there's a good chance Correa will be back next year. So far he's been solid but not good enough to be worthy of a big long-term contract if he opts out of the current contract.
 

There's some hitters in the minors having really big years. I would expect Steer and Wallner to compete for a spot next year, especially if someone like Larnach is traded.

- 2B/3B Spencer Steer: 278 with 19 HR, 58 RBI and .922 OPS in AA & AAA
- OF Matt Wallner (Forest Lake, MN native): .294 with 21 HR, 64 RBI and 1.019 OPS in AA
- 1B/3B Christian Encarnacion-Strand: .302 with 23 HR, 77 RBI and 1.005 OPS in A+ & AA
- C/1B Chris Williams: .297 with 16 HR, 49 RBI and .982 OPS in AA
 



GophersInIowa said:
At this point I think there's a good chance Correa will be back next year. So far he's been solid but not good enough to be worthy of a big long-term contract if he opts out of the current contract.
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I agree, unless he has a big 2nd half.

Let's see how the first 6-7 games go after the break before 'blowing everything up' as some would like to do. If they continue to struggle, then I'm for it. As long as Rocco goes too.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I agree, unless he has a big 2nd half.

Let's see how the first 6-7 games go after the break before 'blowing everything up' as some would like to do. If they continue to struggle, then I'm for it. As long as Rocco goes too.
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They may not be big buyers at the deadline if they continue to struggle after the break but I don't see them really blowing things up either. Sanchez, Duffey, and Joe Smith are the only free agents. My guess is they'll make a ho-hum bullpen trade that won't get anyone excited. But at the same time they should be set up to be really good next year if they try shoring up the bullpen. If Maeda can get back to his old self, there's not reason they shouldn't try to make a real run at it next year.
 

GophersInIowa said:
They may not be big buyers at the deadline if they continue to struggle after the break but I don't see them really blowing things up either. Sanchez, Duffey, and Joe Smith are the only free agents. My guess is they'll make a ho-hum bullpen trade that won't get anyone excited. But at the same time they should be set up to be really good next year if they try shoring up the bullpen. If Maeda can get back to his old self, there's not reason they shouldn't try to make a real run at it next year.
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This is the right take. The Twins are a year away from being a good playoff team.
 

GophersInIowa said:
They may not be big buyers at the deadline if they continue to struggle after the break but I don't see them really blowing things up either. Sanchez, Duffey, and Joe Smith are the only free agents. My guess is they'll make a ho-hum bullpen trade that won't get anyone excited. But at the same time they should be set up to be really good next year if they try shoring up the bullpen. If Maeda can get back to his old self, there's not reason they shouldn't try to make a real run at it next year.
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I agree, and there's really not much to trade to 'blow it up'. The closest would be if they tried to trade Correa. There is a lot of young talent on this team and players that are close to MLB ready in the minors.
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
I agree, and there's really not much to trade to 'blow it up'. The closest would be if they tried to trade Correa. There is a lot of young talent on this team and players that are close to MLB ready in the minors.
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If Soto is being traded that would really hurt any market for Correa at the trade deadline in my opinion. I hope the twins just stand Pat and whatever happened happens.
 


From the Parkinglot said:
If Soto is being traded that would really hurt any market for Correa at the trade deadline in my opinion. I hope the twins just stand Pat and whatever happened happens.
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If they can go out and get a guy like Bednar who’s under contract for awhile, that would be good.
 

GophersInIowa said:
If they can go out and get a guy like Bednar who’s under contract for awhile, that would be good.
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Honestly I would rather see them trade Correa for two potential all star pitchers as opposed to a large package with some maybes. Even as not great as Correa has been he’s still going to opt out at the end of the year and look for some sort of long term deal. It is just what Scott Boras does with everyone. If there are no takers he can come right back to the twins and I am sure get the sam contract he is on.
 

From the Parkinglot said:
Honestly I would rather see them trade Correa for two potential all star pitchers as opposed to a large package with some maybes. Even as not great as Correa has been he’s still going to opt out at the end of the year and look for some sort of long term deal. It is just what Scott Boras does with everyone. If there are no takers he can come right back to the twins and I am sure get the sam contract he is on.
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I like this plan.
 

GophersInIowa said:
At this point I think there's a good chance Correa will be back next year. So far he's been solid but not good enough to be worthy of a big long-term contract if he opts out of the current contract.
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I'm pretty sure he's coming back. Assuming he opts out, Xander Boegarts is a free agent next year, as are Trea Turner and Dansby Swanson. All three of those guys are having better seasons than Correa. The free agent shortstops available in 2024 have no where near that type of talent, so it's Correa or bust for a team that wants to make a splash at SS that season.
 

From the Parkinglot said:
Honestly I would rather see them trade Correa for two potential all star pitchers as opposed to a large package with some maybes. Even as not great as Correa has been he’s still going to opt out at the end of the year and look for some sort of long term deal. It is just what Scott Boras does with everyone. If there are no takers he can come right back to the twins and I am sure get the sam contract he is on.
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There's no way another team would do that.
 

GophersInIowa said:
There's no way another team would do that.
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I’m talking potential all star players not current all stars. Like the package the twins got for Johan it was more fluff then real substance. Give me 1 or two guys that are almost sure things over 3 guys that are 50/50 shots and 3 other guys that are 20/80 shots.
 

From the Parkinglot said:
I’m talking potential all star players not current all stars. Like the package the twins got for Johan it was more fluff then real substance. Give me 1 or two guys that are almost sure things over 3 guys that are 50/50 shots and 3 other guys that are 20/80 shots.
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There are no sure things in baseball until they are sure things.
 

From the Parkinglot said:

Coming soon to the regular season too.
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When the NHL started Shootouts to decide Regular Season games I joked that it would be like settling MLB games with an HR Derby or NBA games with a round of H-O-R-S-E.

1 step closer to reality (though I doubt it will happen for regular season games).
 

From the Parkinglot said:
I’m talking potential all star players not current all stars. Like the package the twins got for Johan it was more fluff then real substance. Give me 1 or two guys that are almost sure things over 3 guys that are 50/50 shots and 3 other guys that are 20/80 shots.
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Even then I don't know if teams would do that. By "almost sure things", you're talking about high end prospects that are almost ready like Grayson Rodriguez. No one is going to make that trade.

Almost every prospect is going to be a 50/50 guy or less. But the more you get of those guys, the better your chances a few turn into quality starters with maybe one turning into a stud.
 


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