All Things RB Jeffrey Jones Thread

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Nobody, has said Jeff Jones is in the clear, just the fact that he's still alive is a positive. He's been walking the tight rope for a long time, he has one more hurdle to clear which is the NCAA Clearinghouse, which no one in their right mind, would try and predict.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Based on what we know - as opposed to what we suspect - I don't think you can assume anything. The U may be trying an academic Hail Mary here - submit everything to the Clearinghouse and hope they rule in Jones' favor - even if his grades are borderline. It doesn't hurt anything to try, and either way, they know where they stand. In the past, we've seen the NCAA issue seemingly contradictory rulings on issues like transfers, so I wouldn't be surprised if the clearinghouse was equally arbitrary in its rulings.
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So is not every admission decision cut and dry with athletes? A lot of talk has been that Jones has to raise his ACT and GPA, I was just under the assumption there's a hard line that he had to cross. If it happens he just missed that line, does the NCAA sometimes make exceptions?
 

jaymil said:
So is not every admission decision cut and dry with athletes? A lot of talk has been that Jones has to raise his ACT and GPA, I was just under the assumption there's a hard line that he had to cross. If it happens he just missed that line, does the NCAA sometimes make exceptions?
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exceptions exist here is an example-The U has already bent the rules for athletes who get into the school with a Cum. 2.0 and an ACT of 21. Those are not acceptable student standards for any BT school application
 

wait!what? said:
exceptions exist here is an example-The U has already bent the rules for athletes who get into the school with a Cum. 2.0 and an ACT of 21. Those are not acceptable student standards for any BT school application
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What do you mean "bent the rules"? The rules are: the University of Minnesota can choose to admit whoever it deems worthy of admission. They are, in fact, acceptable student standards because lots of students (mostly athletes) get into Big Ten schools with those types of numbers all of the time.
 

jaymil said:
If it happens he just missed that line, does the NCAA sometimes make exceptions?
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I hope not, even if it keeps the Gophers from getting Jones. The current line is already laughably low.
 


short ornery norwegian said:
Based on what we know - as opposed to what we suspect - I don't think you can assume anything. The U may be trying an academic Hail Mary here - submit everything to the Clearinghouse and hope they rule in Jones' favor - even if his grades are borderline. It doesn't hurt anything to try, and either way, they know where they stand. In the past, we've seen the NCAA issue seemingly contradictory rulings on issues like transfers, so I wouldn't be surprised if the clearinghouse was equally arbitrary in its rulings.
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I am curious if the clearing house factors in recent program history into their rulings. This staff has now demonstrated an ability to get kids on a path to academic success and has shown good results with the APR to date. I can imagine the clearing house may give a little benefit of the doubt in that case assuming Jones really has been trending towards improvement academically (this obviously would make a huge assumption that a part of the NCAA might act somewhat rationally).
 

AeroGopher said:
I am curious if the clearing house factors in recent program history into their rulings. This staff has now demonstrated an ability to get kids on a path to academic success and has shown good results with the APR to date. I can imagine the clearing house may give a little benefit of the doubt in that case assuming Jones really has been trending towards improvement academically (this obviously would make a huge assumption that a part of the NCAA might act somewhat rationally).
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I find it very hard to believe that they'd take into account subjective factors like this. It would introduce far too much favoritism and open them up to too much scrutiny (I know, NCAA...). I really think we're all overcomplicating things to twist it to fit into our desired vision of the future. A few weeks ago it was simply "raise two grades and he's in". We didn't hear official announcement that that happened and now we're going through the mental gymnastics to figure out another angle for JJ to get in.

I'm not holding my breath.
 

I'm sure JJ got the grades, the question is, will the NCAA find the summer courses acceptable? If the courses qualify, he's in, if not he's out. The standard courses have all been reviewed, I suspect that the summer courses have not, thus the Clearinghouse drama.
 

nsmike said:
I'm sure JJ got the grades, the question is, will the NCAA find the summer courses acceptable? If the courses qualify, he's in, if not he's out. The standard courses have all been reviewed, I suspect that the summer courses have not, thus the Clearinghouse drama.
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I wouldn't be so sure.
 



nsmike said:
I'm sure JJ got the grades, the question is, will the NCAA find the summer courses acceptable? If the courses qualify, he's in, if not he's out. The standard courses have all been reviewed, I suspect that the summer courses have not, thus the Clearinghouse drama.
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Wouldn't they make sure the summer courses would be acceptable before he took them?
 

afurry91 said:
Wouldn't they make sure the summer courses would be acceptable before he took them?
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All regular courses are evaluated by the clearing house it's an open question on whether the summer courses were. My understanding of the GPA/ACT score rule is that there is no wiggle room either they meet the standard or they do not. Whether any particular course will count towards the 16 core classes is a gray area. Remember with Campion there was an issue with a course not counting which is why he had to go to prep school.
 

dpodoll68 said:
What do you mean "bent the rules"? The rules are: the University of Minnesota can choose to admit whoever it deems worthy of admission. They are, in fact, acceptable student standards because lots of students (mostly athletes) get into Big Ten schools with those types of numbers all of the time.
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you are correct. no rules broken just different standards for the panorama of students accepted to the U.
 

wait!what? said:
you are correct. no rules broken just different standards for the panorama of students accepted to the U.
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They consider the body of work. A world class cellist would be admitted even with much weaker grades and a test score because he/she would have something unique to offer the U's community. I don't see why a world class athlete is any different.
 



I think JJ is in. I don't think the U would even send in the information to the Clearinghouse unless they knew he made the grades he was suppose to. I think the NCAA views all of the facts to make sure no corners were cut and the U followed the proper protocols. In my opinion JJ is in.
 

He is easily their most highly regarded commit in years, I think they'd throw up the hail mary even if it was unlikely. I don't think the fact they filed paperwork with the clearinghouse tells us much.
 

From what I understand each high school has a list of accepted courses on file with the NCAA clearinghouse. There shouldn't be any question on whether a course is aceptable or not. It seems pretty straightforward.

Therefore there are really only a couple possibilities. The coaches know what his grades are and it isn't rocket science to to calculate whether he meets the sliding scale standard.

Either he's in and they're waiting on official approval, or they know he didn't make it but figure it makes more sense to wait to make the announcement for recruiting reasons. Being the highest rated recruit in generations has a halo effect on the schools's future prospects and could be attractive for other recruits.

If he didn't make it they still need to see if he can be accepted as a regular student and if Jeff really wants to go that route.
 

Coach Kill's staff has shown the ability, a willingness, and demonstrated results in its timely fillings for medical waivers. Earlier staffs demonstrated none of these qualities. They have years together dealing with the NCAA. I would think they have advised, monitored, and evaluated not only the work Jeff Jones did, but the effort he put in. And this speaks volumes to potential recruits. A letter of intent is a commitment on both the student athlete and the Coaching Staff. There has been no waivering by either party.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
From what I understand each high school has a list of accepted courses on file with the NCAA clearinghouse. There shouldn't be any question on whether a course is acceptable or not. It seems pretty straightforward..
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This is true of the regular courses, how confident are you, that it's true of an online summer school course? If it's not pre approved, the Clearinghouse needs to check, that it matches the core requirements.
 

God forgive me for quoting Dr. Don but

"So many experts, so little expertise"
 


PhillyGopher said:
God forgive me for quoting Dr. Don but

"So many experts, so little expertise"
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And this 2240 posts thread is classic example. The same applies to the Phillip Nelson assault thread.

BTW, I might not be the brightest porchlight on the block, but I am not a burned out bulb quite yet.
 



He is our #1 recruit in at least the past 20 years that we were able to land after years and years of hometown studs spurning the gophers and now he may not even qualify. Of course we are going to speculate every single possible outcome to the situation. Its kind of a big deal to say the least.
 




Sorry, failed to reply with quote. Will try again.
 

die hard gopher said:
He is our #1 recruit in at least the past 20 years that we were able to land after years and years of hometown studs spurning the gophers and now he may not even qualify. Of course we are going to speculate every single possible outcome to the situation. Its kind of a big deal to say the least.
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Well, 15 years anyway.......see Thomas Tapeh (1999).

http://www.gopherhole.com/page/show/374836-1999-gopher-football-recruiting-class

Scroll down to his bio. He was a beast that was limited by (foot?) injuries until his last year as a Gopher.

Tapeh is a classic illustration of why I always have high hopes and low expectations for Gopher football. Something always seems to happen and we seldom have enough depth. Maybe Coach Kill will change that. (More of those high hopes.:))
 

die hard gopher said:
He is our #1 recruit in at least the past 20 years that we were able to land after years and years of hometown studs spurning the gophers and now he may not even qualify. Of course we are going to speculate every single possible outcome to the situation. Its kind of a big deal to say the least.
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It isn't the speculation that is the issue it is the number of people posting here acting like they have any clue what is really going on in this situation. The only people that know are the coaches and those closest to Jones. The rest are just guessing on this score or that score or what the motives are with sending things to the clearinghouse and what that means about his status. We have "expert" after "expert" in here saying he is a lock to get in or a lock to end up in JC or a lock to end up in prep school or a lock to end up in Canada....ok maybe not the last one.

They all seem to think they have a handle on one of the most confusing systems out there....113 pages later we still basically know nothing outside of the fact that his ACT score officially fell short of the mark. Can't wait till the final word finally does come out, but with the clearinghouse involved there is probably a good chance that we won't know anything until just before fall camp starts if even at that point. Wasn't it the clearinghouse that jacked MG around and declared him ineligible after practices had started based on the change in his test cores?
 

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