All Things COVID-19 College Football Impact

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short ornery norwegian said:
I am growing slightly more optimistic about the odds that football will be played as scheduled this fall - but I just don't see fans in the stands at all this season.

The current case numbers and fatalities would have to go down considerably before that happens. Potentially, I could see some kind of a system with a cap on attendance - maybe 25% full - by the end of the season. Warning - they could make mask-wearing a requirement.

As far as the U - here's a wild guess:

they announce two plans - one with fans in the stands and one with no stands. fans will still have to make deposits, etc - which would be refunded at some future date if no fans are allowed - OR (more likely) the deposits would carry over to 2021.
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I take football for TV as a done deal now. My guess would be that the first game will be season ticket holders and the visitor's official party only, so about 25,000 minus no shows for the first game. Spread out as you wish.
 

I think they'll play or at least aim to play in the fall and only allow season ticket holders and possibly students in with no single-game ticket sales, at least to start. They'll cap season ticket sales at whatever number they think is right to keep attendance low enough to allow people to spread out and then use the lack of single-game tickets as a way to sell season tickets, possibly with an inflated price after the announcement. Then they'll potentially look at single-game tickets for later in the season if the situation improves.

For classes I think it will be hybrid with professors who feel comfortable being encouraged to hold in-person classes but with a requirement that the class be set up so students can still participate without attending if they choose. Most students will be on campus and go to at least some classes (labs, PE, performing arts, etc. where it isn't the same online) but there's the option for both professors and students to do the semester remotely. That may not be announced in a couple weeks though.
 

Where did the UMN athletic department say that they would be making an announcement on June 1st? Genuine question. I may just have missed it.

Regardless, the situation is this: the Big Ten is going to meet on June 7th, and make a decision on whether to allow (not require) their league members to resume on-campus organized training activities.

If that decision goes through, unless there have been strong hints that it's going to be a yes and so they can start preparing before then, I think UMN will have to give teams at least a week to get things in order. You need to open the buildings, literally. Get support staff back in there. Let coaches get back in their offices. Spray everything down with disinfectant. You need to physically get the athletes back to Minneapolis and in their apartments/student housing.

They have to figure out how the cafeteria in the athlete's village is going to work. Locker rooms. Athletic training room (rehab). Etc.

But if they can get all that done in a week, you could perhaps start seeing athletes back on campus training by June 15th, as a wild guess.
 

I also imagine whatever it is, it'll be a Big Ten wide policy. If 3-4 teams have no fans while the others do, there's an argument that they are at a disadvantage with no home field advantage. I'd imagine the Big Ten would try to come up with a fair guideline subject to the governors in each state.
 

GoGophersUMN said:
I think they'll play or at least aim to play in the fall and only allow season ticket holders and possibly students in with no single-game ticket sales, at least to start. They'll cap season ticket sales at whatever number they think is right to keep attendance low enough to allow people to spread out and then use the lack of single-game tickets as a way to sell season tickets, possibly with an inflated price after the announcement. Then they'll potentially look at single-game tickets for later in the season if the situation improves.

For classes I think it will be hybrid with professors who feel comfortable being encouraged to hold in-person classes but with a requirement that the class be set up so students can still participate without attending if they choose. Most students will be on campus and go to at least some classes (labs, PE, performing arts, etc. where it isn't the same online) but there's the option for both professors and students to do the semester remotely. That may not be announced in a couple weeks though.
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I also imagine this comes with a restriction on dorms, the density of people in the dorms is just asking for an outbreak and I'd imagine the U would rather not deal with the potential fallout of that happening.
 


June 1 announcement? This is easy. Typically this is when they announced that the Coyles have been tested and are ready to go in the fall if needed.
 

Word said:
Wouldn't your "contacts" at North Memorial be providing you with anecdotal experience?
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Look at the numbers. They confirm the experience. Doctors are figuring out this disease. My nurse friend says the simple act of laying intubated patients on their stomachs is producing remarkable results from the most severely ill.

Like most respiratory illnesses, it will probably diminish in the summer, which will give doctors more time to tweek their protocols.

Minnesota basically has a Long Term Care emergency that is being treated as a World War 2 level national emergency.

BUT REMEMBER SEVERELY ILL PATIENTS ARE IN THE MINORITY.
 

MplsGopher said:
Where did the UMN athletic department say that they would be making an announcement on June 1st? Genuine question. I may just have missed it.
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I was under the impression that there would be an announcement some time in June, but I haven’t heard anything about June 1.
 

Veritas said:
My guess is that for this process they just can't punt again and make it all work. They will need to guarantee a full refund for all games not open to season ticket holders in the future. And yes, this must include the so called "donation".
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short ornery norwegian said:
As far as the U - here's a wild guess:

they announce two plans - one with fans in the stands and one with no stands. fans will still have to make deposits, etc - which would be refunded at some future date if no fans are allowed - OR (more likely) the deposits would carry over to 2021.
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From what I have been told, they will collect renewals as usual. If some or all of the games are not played or are played without fans, ticket holders will be offered the option of a full refund, including scholarship seating donations, or a credit for next year at something more than 100% (as incentive to allow them to hold your money for the year). In addition, they would welcome anyone who is willing to convert their ticket money to a donation. (Hey, it doesn't hurt to ask, right?) The refund options will likely also apply to anyone who wants to sit this year out due to financial and/or health concerns without any loss of seating priority or Gopher Score. Not sure that this will all be ready to announce by June 1, but I think that people will be pleased with the options that are offered.
 



GoldenRodents said:
Look at the numbers. They confirm the experience. Doctors are figuring out this disease. My nurse friend says the simple act of laying intubated patients on their stomachs is producing remarkable results from the most severely ill.

Like most respiratory illnesses, it will probably diminish in the summer, which will give doctors more time to tweek their protocols.

Minnesota basically has a Long Term Care emergency that is being treated as a World War 2 level national emergency.

BUT REMEMBER SEVERELY ILL PATIENTS ARE IN THE MINORITY.
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Proning (what it is called in medicine) is a well known act in the care of patients with ARDS and has been shown to have promise in the case of COVID. Defining it as some simple act is not even remotely true and requires significant staff and resource utilization which you will not have if you have a healthcare system that gets blitzed. We have been spoiled in Minnesota thus far due to having solid healthcare Infrastructure and forward thinking strategies to reduce case swelling and hopefully it will continue that way. Just need to see it through to the end or you defeat the purpose of the ground work you laid
 








GoldenRodents said:
Look at the numbers. They confirm the experience. Doctors are figuring out this disease. My nurse friend says the simple act of laying intubated patients on their stomachs is producing remarkable results from the most severely ill.

Like most respiratory illnesses, it will probably diminish in the summer, which will give doctors more time to tweek their protocols.

Minnesota basically has a Long Term Care emergency that is being treated as a World War 2 level national emergency.

BUT REMEMBER SEVERELY ILL PATIENTS ARE IN THE MINORITY.
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I think you missed my point. You were arguing not to use anecdotal experience, yet your main point in your post was anecdotal experience.
 


Veritas said:
I take football for TV as a done deal now. My guess would be that the first game will be season ticket holders and the visitor's official party only, so about 25,000 minus no shows for the first game. Spread out as you wish.
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Veritas said:
I take football for TV as a done deal now. My guess would be that the first game will be season ticket holders and the visitor's official party only, so about 25,000 minus no shows for the first game. Spread out as you wish.
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Veritas said:
I take football for TV as a done deal now. My guess would be that the first game will be season ticket holders and the visitor's official party only, so about 25,000 minus no shows for the first game. Spread out as you wish.
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Word said:
I think you missed my point. You were arguing not to use anecdotal experience, yet your main point in your post was anecdotal experience.
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Don't use anecdotal experience to promote panic. Panic is dangerous and usually wrong, it produces counterproductive stampedes among the weak minded.

Use the numbers, then illustrate the numbers with real world examples.

From the Minnesota COVID-19 dashboard....

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You will also find that virtually all of the deaths, including the very old, had serious medical conditions. So don't use an anecdote about the horrible death of some young person when it is a rare event. But if you have an anecdote that supports the reality, that healthy people are not at risk, go for it.
 

GoldenRodents said:
Don't use anecdotal experience to promote panic. Panic is dangerous and usually wrong, it produces counterproductive stampedes among the weak minded.

Use the numbers, then illustrate the numbers with real world examples.

From the Minnesota COVID-19 dashboard....

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You will also find that virtually all of the deaths, including the very old, had serious medical conditions. So don't use an anecdote about the horrible death of some young person when it is a rare event. But if you have an anecdote that supports the reality, that healthy people are not at risk, go for it.
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So are you for or against one using anecdotal evidence to support one's argument? Or does it depend if you agree with the anecdotal evidence?
 

Word said:
So are you for or against one using anecdotal evidence to support one's argument? Or does it depend if you agree with the anecdotal evidence?
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I'm against using misleading anecdotal evidence in a way that promotes panic. Are you?
 


Word said:
Ok I think I have my answer. Thanks.
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You'll get your answer when you start asking the right questions.

Our government authorities have been basing their pandemic policies on wildly exaggerated models, erroneous fog of war pleas for ventilators, horrific narratives of death. Now we have empty hospital wards and a long term care crisis, while locking down children who have practically zero chance of falling seriously ill from COVID-19.

You can bet Joan Gabel and Brian Coyle are looking at this anecdotal evidence
 

GoldenRodents said:
You'll get your answer when you start asking the right questions.

Our government authorities have been basing their pandemic policies on wildly exaggerated models, erroneous fog of war pleas for ventilators, horrific narratives of death. Now we have empty hospital wards and a long term care crisis, while locking down children who have practically zero chance of falling seriously ill from COVID-19.

You can bet Joan Gabel and Brian Coyle are looking at this anecdotal evidence
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Who is Brian Coyle?
 

owlmart said
*slowly backs away and runs out of thread*
Posted On: May 19th 2020, 9:04 PM#394959
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TALON to FAUFANS.- Have you been watching your Governor's daily briefings about opening up South East Florida's collage football for the 2020 season?

Florida's Governor stated-" If you had two 1 dollar masks and slip Flamingo feathers between them that it could filter out the Virus!

If you look up the follow up questions and answer period on C-SPAN or youtube, Florida's Governor said that you had to coat the outer mask with kerosene or desal fuel. Because both are oily and can kill viruses you can just throw away the outer mask saving money.

Now would you rather take the Florida Governor's idea or use the Statesboro method?

Statesboro/GSU method

Each person that enters Paulson Stadium will be given a half pint of Statesboro Moonshine (190 proof) that they must chug at the gate before they enter the stadium because we all know that alcohol kills or destroys viruses. At Southern we are attempting to kill the virus from inside out! You should also think about smoking because the virus doesn’t want to catch cancer or take a hit of cannabis which will confuse the virus. That way you won’t have to wear a mask and can drink freely from your flask! For those of you that do not smoke you must wear a mask with a small hole near the mouth and drink from your flask with a straw.
 


no more standing, cheering, yelling, and high fiving those around you while watching
 


It's very likely that COVID-19 will be seen as almost zero threat to the vast majority of the population by September. Stadiums should be packed, especially TCF
 

GoldenRodents said:
It's very likely that COVID-19 will be seen as almost zero threat to the vast majority of the population by September. Stadiums should be packed, especially TCF
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we'll see, I don't think it'll go away that fast
 

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