Wow McKinley Boston confirms Gophers AT New Mex St next yr; financial wash

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If the team can sneak into a bowl game due to a 4-0 start they will more than make up the $800000. That would be the saving grace.
 

Doogie tweet: "Gutsy effort by UNC to lose by only three vs. Duke."

Go Gophers!!
 

Pewterschmidt said:
If I were Norwood Teague or Jerry Kill, I'd root like hell for UNC to beat Duke this weekend convincingly. UNC already lost to a poor Wake Forest team in Winston-Salem (By the way, Duke won in Winston-Salem this year). If Karma has a say, UNC will get beat.
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Karma.
 





BleedGopher said:
per Doogie's scoops:

"Teague said a deal is close on a football home-and-home with New Mexico State, but the contract isn't signed yet. The Gophers would play at New Mexico State next September."

http://m.1500espn.com/pages/sportswire.php?sID=5935

Go Gophers!!
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Damn was really hoping that home and home with New Mexico State was going to turn out to be a rumor. If we are not getting an extra home game out of the deal then we are officially pissing away 800K just to improve our odds of getting to 4-0.....
 

Johnny Olson said:
Everyone in the Big Ten splits combined Bowl revenue.
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Why hasn't this come up earlier as people continue to pound the drum on the advantage (monetarily) of winning that 6th game and going to a bowl to get the revenue. We split it no matter what and whatever revenue the 6-8th place bowl pays out is minuscule compared to the upper tier payouts that we all get the share of. Fine, convince me that winning 6 games vs 5 is great because of extra practices, experience for the team, and recruiting. But I still think that I'd take a 50/50 shot for a W again UNC over a 90/10 shot against a NMSU given what it would do for the program (rankings if 4-0 with a win over UNC and local fan interest). The $800,000 was flat out lost if we have a home-and-home with NMSU.
 




dpodoll68 said:
A 2013 game @ UNC would've been nowhere near a 50/50 proposition. We'd have been a 10-14 pt. underdog (at best).
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Prove it? Go ahead, I dare you to prove to me that Vegas oddsmakers would have that line in 10 months.

We played USC down to the last drive last year and lost by 11 the year before at home. North Carolina is no powerhouse especially with their sanctions. Fine. 33/66 chance? 20/80? Whatever it is, it's better than playing NMSU on the road and losing that $800,000k. Especially if you want to drive interest in the program to our fans back at home. A road win vs NMSU does nothing to move the needle. A road win (however improbable you think it is) against UNC moves the needle a lot. A loss to UNC on the road doesn't diminish the excitement at all and is no worse than a win vs NMSU.
 

RailBaronYarr said:
Prove it? Go ahead, I dare you to prove to me that Vegas oddsmakers would have that line in 10 months.

We played USC down to the last drive last year and lost by 11 the year before at home. North Carolina is no powerhouse especially with their sanctions. Fine. 33/66 chance? 20/80? Whatever it is, it's better than playing NMSU on the road and losing that $800,000k. Especially if you want to drive interest in the program to our fans back at home. A road win vs NMSU does nothing to move the needle. A road win (however improbable you think it is) against UNC moves the needle a lot. A loss to UNC on the road doesn't diminish the excitement at all and is no worse than a win vs NMSU.
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I can't prove it to you right now. Bookmark this post and see where the two teams stand next fall. A win or loss against either isn't going to do much. The only thing that will truly move the needle is in-conference wins. Even if we beat a team like USC or UNC, no one will care if we can only win 2 or 3 conference games a season.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I can't prove it to you right now. Bookmark this post and see where the two teams stand next fall. A win or loss against either isn't going to do much. The only thing that will truly move the needle is in-conference wins. Even if we beat a team like USC or UNC, no one will care if we can only win 2 or 3 conference games a season.
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Could easily bee the difference between being ranked or not going in to week 5 if you're 4-0 with a win against a team like USC or UNC on the road vs. 4 games where the best is Syracuse.

If we had scheduled NMSU for a home game in place of the road UNC game, I'd be mad as a fan for quality of opponents on my season package, but at least the money argument wouldn't be there.

I think Kill is setting us up for Mason-esque seasons of 6-8 wins total with 3-5 to 4-4 Big Ten seasons being by far the average with a jump to a 9-10 win year here and there. If Big Ten wins are the only thing that truly moves the needle for a fan (or recruit) why is he so worried about playing a team like UNC where we might lose? Will winning that game against NMSU and possibly playing in a bowl we otherwise wouldn't have make the casual fan be more interested? Didn't work for Mason.
 

RailBaronYarr said:
I think Kill is setting us up for Mason-esque seasons of 6-8 wins total with 3-5 to 4-4 Big Ten seasons being by far the average with a jump to a 9-10 win year here and there. If Big Ten wins are the only thing that truly moves the needle for a fan (or recruit) why is he so worried about playing a team like UNC where we might lose? Will winning that game against NMSU and possibly playing in a bowl we otherwise wouldn't have make the casual fan be more interested? Didn't work for Mason.
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Kill's more concerned about keeping his job than "moving the needle" right now, as would anyone else in his shoes. We're at the point where we need to be in bowl games every year. Once we have that, we can worry about beating Big Ten teams consistently. Once we have that, we can worry about scheduling quality non-conference opponents. We're barely in Step 1, and everyone's wondering why we're not in Step 3.
 



dpodoll68 said:
A 2013 game @ UNC would've been nowhere near a 50/50 proposition. We'd have been a 10-14 pt. underdog (at best).
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It wouldn't have been double digits it would have been somewhere between 6-9 for UNC. It was only 19.5 against USC at USC. I took us to cover at ceasars before we drove to Los Angeles.
 

I wrote that wrong 19.5 favoring USC-if I didn't change that dp would have been on my ass
 

dpodoll68 said:
Kill's more concerned about keeping his job than "moving the needle" right now, as would anyone else in his shoes. We're at the point where we need to be in bowl games every year. Once we have that, we can worry about beating Big Ten teams consistently. Once we have that, we can worry about scheduling quality non-conference opponents. We're barely in Step 1, and everyone's wondering why we're not in Step 3.
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I guess I would say that Kill's job security would be more solid if he focused first on winning Big Ten games than making bowl games against teams like Tulsa or Ohio. Not meaning to channel Wren here but I think Mason proved that going to bowl games year in and out does not necessarily lead to winning Big Ten games. That's my point. I just don't think he should like the two and assume that playing middle of the road teams from middle of the road conferences will hurt his bowl chances all that much (enough to lose nearly $1M over).
 

lakesgopher said:
It wouldn't have been double digits it would have been somewhere between 6-9 for UNC. It was only 19.5 against USC at USC. I took us to cover at ceasars before we drove to Los Angeles.
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That's my point, too. This was a Gopher team coming off a 3-9 year with a brand new head coach with tons of questions, on the road at one of the best teams in the country. And we were 19.5 point dogs (a bet I also took at Bellagio and won). I've never said a game against a UNC is a lock (particularly a home one). But me saying 50/50 was more in the sense that I would take our chances against them at home in 2014 and probably take the loss on the road and not be disappointed as a fan at this point in Kill's tenure. 3-1 NC and 3-5 B10 in Kill's 3rd year, attending a bowl game is not an unreasonable expectation. At all.
 

Let's keep bitching about this until the AD switches the game back. Let's keep bitching until we feel like true Minnesotans. Cripes.
 

highwayman said:
Let's keep bitching about this until the AD switches the game back. Let's keep bitching until we feel like true Minnesotans. Cripes.
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I'm sorry, everyone else everywhere else just swallows things and doesn't have productive discussions with one another about the merits or negatives about a decision made. I had no say in the decision and obviously can't possibly influence it to go back the other way. So I will voice my opinion here about it.

You know, just like everything else discussed on this message board. Unless you're a current player, coach, or athletic dept member who can affect change?
 

RailBaronYarr said:
That's my point, too. This was a Gopher team coming off a 3-9 year with a brand new head coach with tons of questions, on the road at one of the best teams in the country. And we were 19.5 point dogs (a bet I also took at Bellagio and won). I've never said a game against a UNC is a lock (particularly a home one). But me saying 50/50 was more in the sense that I would take our chances against them at home in 2014 and probably take the loss on the road and not be disappointed as a fan at this point in Kill's tenure. 3-1 NC and 3-5 B10 in Kill's 3rd year, attending a bowl game is not an unreasonable expectation. At all.
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Careful when suggesting 3-5 in the conference is a reasonable expectation. There are those that feel even that is asking far too much until at least year 5 or 6 of the Kill regime. They act like expecting sub .500 in the Big Ten is the same as saying the team should be contending for a championship in year 3.

I think steady improvement in the conference is a reasonable expectation. 2 wins last year, 2-3 (hopefully) this year, 3-4 in year 3, 4 or more in year 4, and assuming that upward trajectory by year 5 there should be at least some talk of us being in the mix for the Legends title even if we are not a favorite. That is a very conservative upward trend in my opinion but one that should be doable if Kill is really the coach that he is made out to be by his supporters.
 

RailBaronYarr said:
I guess I would say that Kill's job security would be more solid if he focused first on winning Big Ten games than making bowl games against teams like Tulsa or Ohio. Not meaning to channel Wren here but I think Mason proved that going to bowl games year in and out does not necessarily lead to winning Big Ten games. That's my point. I just don't think he should like the two and assume that playing middle of the road teams from middle of the road conferences will hurt his bowl chances all that much (enough to lose nearly $1M over).
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No. No one said that going to bowl games against MAC teams annually was the main goal. That is a short term goal, yes. I would love to at least be a lock for a low teir bowl against a MAC or C-USA team. That doesn't mean I'll be happy with that at year 5, 6 or 7. At some point, we need to get over that hump. I'm just not going to put the wagon in front of the horse.

That is the point. And you missed it, sir.
 

Sid had the scoop all along. Reusse tweet: "@1500ESPN_Reusse: Sid was right. New Mexico State home-and-home is official. 800 grand ... and not an extra home game."

Go Gophers!!
 

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