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I just became the DA in Minneapolis! All while posting messages on this thread, talk about multi tasking.
 

Personally I like this thread...It allows me to be like CG and bs about my career. If coach woulda put me that game, we woulda won state, and nowdays I'd be sittin in a big ol mansion in a hot tub with some hot girl, man.
 


bankonit said:
goldygo4, I am glad you get it and it sounds like you have a level head on your shoulders unlike a lot of people around this board. Convicted or Not Convicted has nothing to do with if he did it or not. His actions were poor choices and whether or not he is found "guilty" in a court has no bearing on his actions being wrong. He stole and pushed down a security guard and he is paying for his actions.
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Another self righteous post that prejudges Royce. Your mother must be so proud.
 


goldygo4 said:
Personally I like this thread...It allows me to be like CG and bs about my career. If coach woulda put me that game, we woulda won state, and nowdays I'd be sittin in a big ol mansion in a hot tub with some hot girl, man.
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Where did I BS about my career? I think you are delusional.
 

Explain to me how it is a pre judgement on Royce to talk about his ACTUAL actions that he did? That would be post judgement would it not? And how is it self righteous to hold someone accountable for their actions? I guess Royce is a "victim" of circumstances and his actions are in no way his fault.
 



and my mother is proud! I have never shoplifted or assaulted anyone, nor have I stole someones computer, nor have I been kicked out of my high school.
 

bankonit said:
Explain to me how it is a pre judgement on Royce to talk about his ACTUAL actions that he did? That would be post judgement would it not? And how is it self righteous to hold someone accountable for their actions? I guess Royce is a "victim" of circumstances and his actions are in no way his fault.
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Allegations aren't established facts, but I guess you can't comprehend that. Royce is accountable for what he did, not what you think he did. As for his basketball career here, Tubby will have to decide what Royce did or didn't do and based on that he will decide Royce's course here.
 

bankonit said:
and my mother is proud! I have never shoplifted or assaulted anyone, nor have I stole someones computer, nor have I been kicked out of my high school.
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Are you saying you've never violated a law in your whole life, never broken a commandment, never sinned?? And what if the public knew about what you did and thirty or more random strangers started posting on the internet about you laughing about you and said you must have done whatever you've been accused of and wanted to deny you the right to engage in the activity that you are most passionate about.
 

Yet hundreds of people saw Royce throw the ball at Damian Johnson in anger - something I've never seen anyone do at HP. IF Royce is "innocent", he hasn't set the table for that confidence.

Most of us are either paying for a college education or assisting our kids in paying for a college education. Many of us are, in this current economic climate - sacrificing to make this happen. There are other venues for playing basketball that do not require the rigor of college rules, one of which is upholding the reputation of the institution. Given the value of a full scholarship, the attitudes exhibited are, well, sad.
 




CaliforniaGopher said:
Allegations aren't established facts, but I guess you can't comprehend that. Royce is accountable for what he did, not what you think he did. As for his basketball career here, Tubby will have to decide what Royce did or didn't do and based on that he will decide Royce's course here.
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Are you saying you believe Royce did not try shoplifting and did not shove the security officer to the ground? You believe these are just lies that the security officer and the Macy's employees made up because they were prejudiced against him? It is one big hoax?

And the words "allegations" and "alleged" are just lawyer B.S. words to try and get guilty people off the hook

I suppose O.J. did not kill his wife. Because he was never found guilty in court, he must not have done it, he must be "innocent".
 

bankonit said:
Are you saying you believe Royce did not try shoplifting and did not shove the security officer to the ground? You believe these are just lies that the security officer and the Macy's employees made up because they were prejudiced against him? It is one big hoax?

And the words "allegations" and "alleged" are just lawyer B.S. words to try and get guilty people off the hook

I suppose O.J. did not kill his wife. Because he was never found guilty in court, he must not have done it, he must be "innocent".
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"Are you saying you believe Royce did not try shoplifting and did not shove the security officer to the ground? You believe these are just lies that the security officer and the Macy's employees made up because they were prejudiced against him? It is one big hoax?"

I don't think someone should formulate an opinion about criminal allegations without first examining all the facts. That is why there is a discovery process and then a trial.

Many posters on this Board would be unfit to serve as jurors in the White matter.
 

you don't need to quote and then quote again. The quote is already there and you don't need to retype it.


And I have the facts, he was caught shoplifting. End of story
 

bankonit said:
you don't need to quote and then quote again. The quote is already there and you don't need to retype it.


And I have the facts, he was caught shoplifting. End of story
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That's your opinion. Not end of story. There will be discovery and a trial unless charges are dismissed or there is a plea bargain.

By the way, what is your definition of "shoplifting"?
 

CaliforniaGopher said:
That's your opinion. Not end of story. There will be discovery and a trial unless charges are dismissed or there is a plea bargain.

By the way, what is your definition of "shoplifting"?
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Presumption of innocence is a hallowed component of our justice system. But- CG, you are not dealing with the real world if you think that there isn't a serious problem here. I, like many others have information from people directly involved that indicates Royce comitted the crimes he was charged with. A plea bargain doesn't change the facts as charged. This is a serious situation that has to be dealt with to protect the school's integrity.
 

You guys Royce did not shoplift, He was going to wear the jeans for awhile and just test them out and then if he liked them he was gonna go back the next day and pay for them, Royce, just like Richard Nixon, is NOT A CRIMINAL!
 

guru said:
Presumption of innocence is a hallowed component of our justice system. But- CG, you are not dealing with the real world if you think that there isn't a serious problem here. I, like many others have information from people directly involved that indicates Royce comitted the crimes he was charged with. A plea bargain doesn't change the facts as charged. This is a serious situation that has to be dealt with to protect the school's integrity.
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LOL. I understand what you are saying, but I think your view is a bit simplistic.

Even if you were a witness (and you weren't according to your statement), you wouldn't be in a position to know all relevant facts. The legal system is pretty good at sorting out facts, but its not perfect.

You think he committed theft and he might get off. That's your opinion. I am happy allowing Tubby to decide what is appropriate after he is ready to make a decision. Whatever Tubby decides we will have to live with as Gopher fans and the school's integrity will be fine either way.
 

goldygo4 said:
You guys Royce did not shoplift, He was going to wear the jeans for awhile and just test them out and then if he liked them he was gonna go back the next day and pay for them, Royce, just like Richard Nixon, is NOT A CRIMINAL!
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lol funny. He just wanted to borrow them without asking and not return them, to quote Pirates of the Carribbean.
 

CaliforniaGopher said:
Wrong!! I am an attorney in real life and rarely on the internet. I can't ever recall disclosing that I am an attorney on a sports discussion forum except when someone like the fool who attacked me says he knows more about the legal system than I do.
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Boy, I'm glad I'm not "the fool" since I never wrote that I know more about the legal system than you do. What I wrote was "I'll put my beliefs in our legal system against yours any day of the week."

I also wrote I doubted you are a lawyer or have a law degree because "your earlier questions in other threads and your statements here and elsewhere aren't at all indicative of a law degree." I'll stand by that opinion until you demonstrate some capacity for critical thinking (as opposed to simple criticism).
 

Rick Mons said:
Boy, I'm glad I'm not "the fool" since I never wrote that I know more about the legal system than you do. What I wrote was "I'll put my beliefs in our legal system against yours any day of the week."

I also wrote I doubted you are a lawyer or have a law degree because "your earlier questions in other threads and your statements here and elsewhere aren't at all indicative of a law degree." I'll stand by that opinion until you demonstrate some capacity for critical thinking (as opposed to simple criticism).
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I think thats a reasonable interpretation based on what you've posted. In the particular post you cited, you left out the part where you were bragging about your wife being a public defender and your involvement in that office.

Anway, getting past that, you have stated and suggested that I do not have a law degree and am not a lawyer. Your judgment is completely wrong.

Just in the past few days you have attacked people based on where they live (California, Kentucky), their vocation, and a young man that doesn't deserve your mean spirited and prejudicial posts. I feel sorry for you as you have issues.
 

CaliforniaGopher said:
I think thats a reasonable interpretation based on what you've posted. In the particular post you cited, you left out the part where you were bragging about your wife being a public defender and your involvement in that office.

Anway, getting past that, you have stated and suggested that I do not have a law degree and am not a lawyer. Your judgment is completely wrong.

Just in the past few days you have attacked people based on where they live (California, Kentucky), their vocation, and a young man that doesn't deserve your mean spirited and prejudicial posts. I feel sorry for you as you have issues.
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And, again, your credibility is hampered by your selective quoting. I referenced my wife's position and my former position in connection with my statement that "I'll put my beliefs in our legal system against yours any day of the week." Now that I have a better understanding of your difficulty in following written words, I should have drawn arrows and provided an illustrated version to accompany it.

You've claimed several times that I've made "mean-spirited jabs" at Royce White and authored "mean spirited and prejudicial posts" about Royce White. Back up the statement with quotes from my posts.

Seems to me that the real issue is that I think that White should be suspended from the team due to a series of events -- and that becomes "mean spirited." Since I also disagree with your contention that this is a petty offense, I'm prejudiced. You've cited Royce being from the inner city as if that somehow plays a role in my position and implied it's racially motivated. Yet, you have no data to support the statement.

You play pretty loose and fast with facts ... it's another weakness to your claim of being an attorney. In my experience, attorneys don't play loose and fast with facts ... they instead acknowledge the facts and put them in a more acceptable frame of reference. I come to a conclusion similar to Bentsen's rejoinder to Quayle, "CG, you're no attorney."
 

Rick Mons said:
And, again, your credibility is hampered by your selective quoting. I referenced my wife's position and my former position in connection with my statement that "I'll put my beliefs in our legal system against yours any day of the week." Now that I have a better understanding of your difficulty in following written words, I should have drawn arrows and provided an illustrated version to accompany it.

You've claimed several times that I've made "mean-spirited jabs" at Royce White and authored "mean spirited and prejudicial posts" about Royce White. Back up the statement with quotes from my posts.

Seems to me that the real issue is that I think that White should be suspended from the team due to a series of events -- and that becomes "mean spirited." Since I also disagree with your contention that this is a petty offense, I'm prejudiced. You've cited Royce being from the inner city as if that somehow plays a role in my position and implied it's racially motivated. Yet, you have no data to support the statement.

You play pretty loose and fast with facts ... it's another weakness to your claim of being an attorney. In my experience, attorneys don't play loose and fast with facts ... they instead acknowledge the facts and put them in a more acceptable frame of reference. I come to a conclusion similar to Bentsen's rejoinder to Quayle, "CG, you're no attorney."
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You are flat wrong. What more can I say? Get over it.
 

CG - history is made

CG you finally said something I agree with...

"I am happy allowing Tubby to decide what is appropriate after he is ready to make a decision. Whatever Tubby decides we will have to live with as Gopher fans and the school's integrity will be fine either way."

I have confidence in Tubby.
 

CaliforniaGopher said:
LOL. I understand what you are saying, but I think your view is a bit simplistic.

Even if you were a witness (and you weren't according to your statement), you wouldn't be in a position to know all relevant facts. The legal system is pretty good at sorting out facts, but its not perfect.

You think he committed theft and he might get off. That's your opinion. I am happy allowing Tubby to decide what is appropriate after he is ready to make a decision. Whatever Tubby decides we will have to live with as Gopher fans and the school's integrity will be fine either way.
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This comment, amongst others on this thread, are diminishing you from being taken seriously on this topic. Your apparent wish to suit up any superstar regardless of his behavior is evidently clouding your judgement.

Counter to your contention about knowing all relevant facts, this wasn't exactly the Great Brinks Robbery! There are just a very few facts to sort out here and some of us have been made privy by sources directly involved about exactly what transpired and are stated on the police report.

We can agree that an appropriate decision will be something we will have to live with, but I doubt that Tubby will be making this decision alone. Contrary to what you might think, the "school's integrity" is very important to certain donating alum and other benefactors, so it's obviously more important to the school's administrators and Board of Regents than it apparently is to you. The basketball program suffered embarrassing black eyes in the 70s, 80s and 90s and the current situation will be handled with that ugly legacy in mind.
 

CaliforniaGopher said:
You are flat wrong. What more can I say? Get over it.
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Lame. If you're going to make accusations, then back them up with quotes. Should be easy for a "real" attorney ... they do it all the time.

So again, where did I say I know more about the legal system than you? Provide the exact quote where that's stated if you want the accusation to stand.

Where did I take "mean-spirited jabs" at Royce White? Where are the "mean-spirited and prejudiced" posts that you claim I authored? Provide the exact statements and posts that I wrote if you want the accusation to stand.

You essentially accused me of racism -- what did I write that is the basis for that aspersion? Provide the exact statements and posts that I wrote if you want the accusation to stand.

I always love it when someone like you makes those kinds of statements and then finds they've painted themselves into a corner. Their typical come-back is along the lines of "get over it"

Ain't gonna play this time, Sonny.
 


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