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manny77 said:
Really give the names of humans being exterminated??? Did you have a name before you were born? I'm guessing the majority don't. Wow, really well thought out! But that seems to be your standard.
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The point is the certain people want to change the definition of life to fit their current side of an argument.

When is a life exterminated? Is it when the fetus is viable, is it at conception, is it at the spermatozoa stage, is it when grandma can't breath on her own, is it when a criminal commits an evil enough crime, is it when a child starves to death, is it when an innocent person is infected with a deadly virus, is it when a child isn't educated and turns to a life of crime or drugs, is it having a mother die when she is forced to give birth, is it when a teenager is shipped off to war, is it when someone you don't want in your country is locked into a cage, etc... Being true pro-life means so much more than just restricting a women's choice in the early stages of pregnancy. Too many people restrict the discussion to just one of those many questions and treat everyone else as if they were firing an assault weapon down main street.
 

manny77 said:
Yes, please sign one.Generally people who have those have made a CHOICE- not someone else making it for them. I am amazed how many people in rest homes don't have them because their kids aren't ready to let go. Done CPR on some of them- not pretty.
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Not all people die in a rest home. A place where a slow decline can allow people to make their own choice on DNR. For many people, the DNR has to come from the family at a point where, as you put it, "their kids aren't ready to let go". So, how is OK to "exterminate" that person vs a very early fetus? Neither made the choice and neither can support live on their own? I am not making a judgement on either one, just pointing out the basic hypocrisy to the "pro-life" logic.
 


Goldteam said:
I have no problems with homo's, dems, or people making less than six figures. What I have a problem with is you or others telling me if I don't agree with the homo lifestyle or the democrat policies.....I'm any of 100 artificial names.

Bang your boyfriend into oblivion for all I care. Embrace every left policy you can for all I care.

You embrace yours and I'll embrace mine, ok? In your world, I need to be silenced, and you need to heard!
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Missing the point. I’m saying, what the “lives you are saving” end up being dems, or gay, or on welfare. What if they grow up to have abortions themselves?
 

What amazes me about this thread is how little people actually listen to each other. When arguments fall short name calling and put downs are a cheap replacement. This only servers to diminish your credibility and your argument.

Each side feels it is morally superior and the other side's arguments, no matter the merits, do not matter. It is clearly not a simple issue.

The beauty of being open minded is the gift to listen. I am sure most of you are not bad people. The labeling of people as essentially monsters because they disagree with you is cult-like. Many here are basically saying they cannot tolerate someone with a different view. Time to chill out and think about the absurdity of this type of thinking.
 
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benlaur said:
What amazes me about this thread is how little people actually listen to each other. When arguments fall short name calling and put downs are a cheap replacement. This only servers to diminish your credibility and your argument.

Each side feels it is morally superior and the other side's arguments, no matter the merits, do not matter. It is clearly not a simple issue.

The beauty of being open minded is the gift to listen. I am sure most of you are not bad people. The labeling of people as essentially monsters because they disagree with you is cult-like. Many here are basically saying they cannot tolerate someone with a different view. Time to chill out and think about that absurdity of this type of thinking.
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My biggest concern is that nobody is measuring morality the way they should.

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alchemy2u said:
The point is the certain people want to change the definition of life to fit their current side of an argument.

When is a life exterminated? Is it when the fetus is viable, is it at conception, is it at the spermatozoa stage, is it when grandma can't breath on her own, is it when a criminal commits an evil enough crime, is it when a child starves to death, is it when an innocent person is infected with a deadly virus, is it wthen a child isn't educated and turns to a life of crime or drugs, is it having a mother die when she is forced to give birth, is it when a teenager is shipped off to war, is it when someone you don't want in your country is locked into a cage, etc... Being true pro-life means so much more than just restricting a women's choice in the early stages of pregnancy. Too many people restrict the discussion to just one of those many questions and treat everyone else as if they were firing an assault weapon down main street.
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Reread what you posted. "when is life exterminated?" Then you go off talking about people that are living and have a heart beat. Makes no sense.
 

alchemy2u said:
Not all people die in a rest home. A place where a slow decline can allow people to make their own choice on DNR. For many people, the DNR has to come from the family at a point where, as you put it, "their kids aren't ready to let go". So, how is OK to "exterminate" that person vs a very early fetus? Neither made the choice and neither can support live on their own? I am not making a judgement on either one, just pointing out the basic hypocrisy to the "pro-life" logic.
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If you reread my input, I said the majority make the dnr decision themselves. Now you go off on "many". What percent is that? And you know this how? Been there done that? My father did not have a dnr but had told us kids no ventilator.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
Missing the point. I’m saying, what the “lives you are saving” end up being dems, or gay, or on welfare. What if they grow up to have abortions themselves?
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What if the "saved" person ends up being an Islamic terrorist, and blows up a Christian church?
 



MplsGopher said:
What if the "saved" person ends up being an Islamic terrorist, and blows up a Christian church?
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Good point, but I’m not dedicating a good portion of my life working to ban abortions and/or convince others we need to ban them (I’ve stated I’d pay people to sterilize themselves voluntarily and otherwise keep abortions legal).

More interesting to ask that question to someone who feels abortions need to be banned who at the same time seems to detest gays, dems, and low-wage earners - all things the fetuses they claim to love may very well grow into.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
Good point, but I’m not dedicating a good portion of my life working to ban abortions and/or convince others we need to ban them (I’ve stated I’d pay people to sterilize themselves voluntarily and otherwise keep abortions legal).

More interesting to ask that question to someone who feels abortions need to be banned who at the same time seems to detest gays, dems, and low-wage earners - all things the fetuses they claim to love may very well grow into.
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My point was adding onto yours, not in opposition to it. (y)
 


MplsGopher said:
What if the "saved" person ends up being an Islamic terrorist, and blows up a Christian church?
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What if the "saved" person ends up playing quarterback for the Gophers and leads them to a win in the national championship!
 




Goldteam said:
What if the "saved" person ends up playing quarterback for the Gophers and leads them to a win in the national championship!
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Seriously though, what if the people you are saving end up being those you really seem to disdain? On this thread you seem to really dislike gays, Democrats, and low-wage earners. When does your love of a fetus turn to dislike?
 



Replacement Gopher said:
Seriously though, what if the people you are saving end up being those you really seem to disdain? On this thread you seem to really dislike gays, Democrats, and low-wage earners. When does your love of a fetus turn to dislike?
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You never answered my question, as per usual.

I'll try again

What if the "saved" person ends up playing quarterback for the Gophers and leads them to a win in the national championship!
 
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MplsGopher said:
If they were born, they are a person. Not before
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but you were saving a mass of embryonic cells. You see, when you abort it, it's embryonic cells, If you don't abort it, you saved the embryonic cells. I'm probably overthinking this. LMAO
 


Goldteam said:
when you abort it, it's embryonic cells
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When it's inside, it's not a person. If it comes outside and survives, it's a person.

Try not to overthink it.

For example: having a stillborn is not murder.
 

Goldteam said:
You never answered my question, as per usual.

I'll try again

What if the "saved" person ends up playing quarterback for the Gophers and leads them to a win in the national championship!
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That would be great.
Conversely, what if he ended up being a gay, democrat, low-wage earner?
Maybe it’s just me, but you seem to love fetuses more than some pretty large segments of people.
 


Replacement Gopher said:
That would be great.
Conversely, what if he ended up being a gay, democrat, low-wage earner?
Maybe it’s just me, but you seem to love fetuses more than some pretty large segments of people.
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I have no problem with gays or dems......except they are always telling me that how great what they do is.

I don't wish ill will on Badger/Packer fans, even though they will constantly tell you how much greater they are. That probably went right over your head, but I tried.
 


MplsGopher said:
It's a form of birthing involving surgery.
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with embryonic cells.

Ok, you can't answer! I'm used to it.

You cut a woman open to get at a mass of nothingness. You cut a woman open to get at a non-person. Seems like a waste of time and harmful to the mother.

Oh, The things we do for masses of nothingness!
 

Goldteam said:
with embryonic cells.
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When it's inside, it's not a person. If it comes outside and survives, it's a person.

Try not to overthink it.

For example: having a stillborn is not murder.
 

MplsGopher said:
When it's inside, it's not a person. If it comes outside and survives, it's a person.

Try not to overthink it.

For example: having a stillborn is not murder.
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Then you are having a "C" section to get at a non-person. Dam, you are dense, sir. Sorry about that.
 



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