Source tells Chad Hartman that Flip Saunders has now emerged as the leading candidate

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@gophersnow: I think Saunders would have a great shot at getting at least two of "the Big Three." Even an outside chance at all three. Just my opinion.

Go Gophers!!
 

dpodoll68 said:
How many different ways do I have to explain it?

What's the single most important facet of the job for any college coach in any sport at any level?

If you said anything other than "recruiting", you're wrong.

How much recruiting has Flip done since 1986?

The same amount as I have.

Couple that with his jump-shot offense, and I'm tingly all over.
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I agree with you in premise.

My two hopes are if this is the hire: former Gophers players love Flip. I am hopeful future recruits would too. I don't think we can say for sure he would be a good recruiter, but you'd have the same credibility and facts to say he isn't. We simply have no clue at all. Which is a big question.

We also don't know what offense we'd even run yet. Just a lot of questions around Flip.

The positive though does seen to be his rumored relation with donors, which this school badly needs. Big donations. And hopefully that doesn't come at a cost if failure. I'd be rooting for whoever is the hire to succeed, it is just a tough and to predict.
 

G0 4 said:
Name a good NBA team of rookies? The closest would be OKC, but tbh I could win with Durabt and Westbrook, and they are considered veterans now and winning.
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You're missing the point, I can name some coaches who have done well with a younger team. There are plenty of coaches that take a younger team and develop them into really good NBA teams. Flip had 4 really good NBA teams. Those teams were the MV3 year (all veterans, most of them traded for or through FA) and the Detroit teams (all inherited veterans)

Teams of all rookies might NOT start out good but there are plenty of coaches who have developed young teams into being really good teams.

Flip's really good teams have been built via free agency/trade or he inherited the players.

In his defense, he has never had chance to develop a lot of young talent, outside of his stint in Washington.
 

Considering all of the people reporting this are people in the local radio scene that Flip is tight with, I wondering if Flip is trying to put pressure on Teague to pick him. If Flip has been established as the front-runner among the casual fans, there will be a huge backlash if he names Grant or someone else that the casual fans have never heard of.
 

Age? Younger than Izzo, Beilein and Bo.

If Mike Ellis (basketball coach) sits down for half and hour with Phil Saunders, Flip will have notebooks and napkins out diagramming stuff and Ellis will want to be his assistant.

It's not about age...it's about energy.
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
In his defense, he has never had chance to develop a lot of young talent, outside of his stint in Washington.
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Except the whole part about taking a franchise that had been terrible it's entire existence and building a playoff team around Garnett, Marbury and Googs.
 

I can't believe of all of the local and national reporters that Chad and Common could break this story:

@commonmankfan: After consulting several sources, Common is reporting Flip is the next BB coach at the U of M.....

Go Gophers!!
 




leftyslefty said:
Age? Younger than Izzo, Beilein and Bo.

If Mike Ellis (basketball coach) sits down for half and hour with Phil Saunders, Flip will have notebooks and napkins out diagramming stuff and Ellis will want to be his assistant.

It's not about age...it's about energy.
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Good point. I'm sure Ellis wants to get back to being an assistant as well.
 

BleedGopher said:
I can't believe of all of the local and national reporters that Chad and Common could break this story:

@commonmankfan: After consulting several sources, Common is reporting Flip is the next BB coach at the U of M.....

Go Gophers!!
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Flip must have just called them himself.
 

G0 4 said:
Marbury would agree with that. Nothing but drive to the hole or throw up a 3 when he was here.
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The same Marbury who had his least amount of FTA (in a full season) in his prime here than he did everywhere else?
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
You're missing the point, I can name some coaches who have done well with a younger team. There are plenty of coaches that take a younger team and develop them into really good NBA teams. Flip had 4 really good NBA teams. Those teams were the MV3 year (all veterans, most of them traded for or through FA) and the Detroit teams (all inherited veterans)

Teams of all rookies might NOT start out good but there are plenty of coaches who have developed young teams into being really good teams.

Flip's really good teams have been built via free agency/trade or he inherited the players.

In his defense, he has never had chance to develop a lot of young talent, outside of his stint in Washington.
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How do you develop young players when your GM gives you Ebi or has no draft picks(Joe Smith)? Name young player he didn't develop. He didn't have many thanks to Mchale.
 

leftyslefty said:
Age? Younger than Izzo, Beilein and Bo.

If Mike Ellis (basketball coach) sits down for half and hour with Phil Saunders, Flip will have notebooks and napkins out diagramming stuff and Ellis will want to be his assistant.

It's not about age...it's about energy.
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Flip was basically doing this on Twitter a few weeks ago. His passion for the program definitely isn't in question, and I do believe he has a good offensive mind.
 

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Flip's To Do List:
1. Assemble dynamic staff assistants including a master recruiter and defensive specialist.
2. Meet with current Gophers.
3. Meet with the BIG THREE and their families.
4. Interface with Ellis and Foster.
5. Meet with donors and corporate communities and get the shovels together people.
6. Reinforce current relationship with the high school and AAU basketball communities.
7. Call and thank Shaka.
8. Accept gifts from Fred Hoiberg and Shaka.
9. Get some sleep man, you're going to be busy!
 

BleedGopher said:
I can't believe of all of the local and national reporters that Chad and Common could break this story:

@commonmankfan: After consulting several sources, Common is reporting Flip is the next BB coach at the U of M.....

Go Gophers!!
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If several sources are sourcing, that means the lockdown is over and on purpose.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The same Marbury who had his least amount of FTA (in a full season) in his prime here than he did everywhere else?
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Yup that one. How many foul calls do nonveterans get? We get you are aFliphater Bob. Enjoy Flipmania
 

GG Allen said:
Except the whole part about taking a franchise that had been terrible it's entire existence and building a playoff team around Garnett, Marbury and Googs.
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He helped lead a team with KG and a bunch of veterans into being decent. If you want to credit him for KG, go for it, he probably deserves some credit for KG. If you want to give him points for developing Marbury, have at it. He was better in New Jersey than he was here and that collapsed. I give him credit for developing Marbury like I give Tubby credit for developing Justin Cobb.

We didn't become a good team until the MV3 season.
 

This is how I would have had it play out.

List of candidates: Shaka, Hoiberg, and Buzz Williams. (Stevens was never an option. I think he's positioning himself for one of the big 2 or 3 jobs). Shaka says he wants to stay at VCU. Hoiberg says he wants to say at ISU. Buzz's team won't lose and we can't wait forever. So the next option is Flip.
 

Marbury was traded halfway through his third season when he was 21, that's generally not the definition of someone's prime. The increase in free throws later in his career was also pretty in line with his overall increase in usage.
 

MadtownGopher said:
As far as I can tell, Amelia has absolutely zero sources/connections. Not really ripping her since she's new to the scene, but I get the feeling she just reads stuff on the internet like us.
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It would seem as though more and more GOPHERHOLE posters have "cooled" on Amelia...

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IF Flip is the coach I am very pleased! He'll do a good job and will bring the crowds back to the BARN!
 

BleedGopher said:
I can't believe of all of the local and national reporters that Chad and Common could break this story:

@commonmankfan: After consulting several sources, Common is reporting Flip is the next BB coach at the U of M.....

Go Gophers!!
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Chad and Flip have known each other and been friends for 20 years.
 

GG Allen said:
Considering all of the people reporting this are people in the local radio scene that Flip is tight with, I wondering if Flip is trying to put pressure on Teague to pick him. If Flip has been established as the front-runner among the casual fans, there will be a huge backlash if he names Grant or someone else that the casual fans have never heard of.
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For about five minutes until everyone figures out that Flip used his local connections to try to force Teague to hire him. Flip has been the first choice of the "casual fan" since before Tubby was fired.
 

G0 4 said:
Yup that one. How many foul calls do nonveterans get? We get you are aFliphater Bob. Enjoy Flipmania
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That must be it. . . (when the numbers to fit your argument, the numbers LIE)

No, you're just spouting out nonsense. I'm not even ripping on Flip. I'm ripping on your take about Steph Marbury. There isn't a single person who watched the Wolves under Flip who wouldn't concede that his offense was based on the jump shot. That's not a rip on him, it's a fact.
 

leftyslefty said:
Age? Younger than Izzo, Beilein and Bo.

If Mike Ellis (basketball coach) sits down for half and hour with Phil Saunders, Flip will have notebooks and napkins out diagramming stuff and Ellis will want to be his assistant.

It's not about age...it's about energy.
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Beilein was proven, though, when he went to Michigan. He had great runs at both Richmond and WVU before he moved to Michigan. He was 41 when he took over Richmond. If there was a great, proven BCS coach that wanted to move here, i'd take that before a young coach. Point is, there isn't one. Unless Buzz Williams comes through, and i'm doubting that.

And Izzo just reinforces my point. He was 40 years old when he took over the Spartans. He's had a great run.

Point is, established college coaches don't want to come here, it seems. So i'd rather have a young, unknown upcoming coach than a 58 year old NBA veteran. Both are risks, and i'd prefer the former.
 

OK, I've read from the sidelines for 3-4 days, especially enjoying the 256 page Shaka thread. Thought I would throw my 2 cents in.

If Flip is the guy, I have no idea whether or not he will be successful. Most of us thought Tubby would be able to turn the corner. That said, I am behind the hire and actually pretty excited about it. I think most would acknowledge that the program base needs a boost of enthusiasm. Other than the Indy game this year, don't think I've seen that for a while. I'm convinced Flip would supply that, at least enough initially to get the big donors to cough up for the facilities, plane, etc that the program needs long term.

I also think Flip is a smart guy and would assemble a very good staff with an eye on recruiting and player development (maybe even a gig guy coach, wow, there's a thought). He's a BB rat and I believe he understands how things are done these days and knows the seemy underbelly of the AAU circuit.

I would have loved Shaka or Stevens and maybe even Marshall but don't think any of them are coming here. In the end, Hoiberg's success leads me to believe Flip can do at least as well. I will support him and the U 100% if he gets the job.
 

BleedGopher said:
I can't believe of all of the local and national reporters that Chad and Common could break this story:

@commonmankfan: After consulting several sources, Common is reporting Flip is the next BB coach at the U of M.....

Go Gophers!!
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Flip and McHale were practically members of the Hartman family when they played at the U. That was when Sid was in his heyday.
 

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