Shedeur Sanders’ Slide in NFL Draft Cost Him $44 Million

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If you think someone bringing up issues of race will make people or society more racist, sounds like you believe folks are more susceptible to racist beliefs/actions than you’re letting on. And the idea that addressing issues of race is somehow harmful is, and has always been ridiculous as the only folks bothered are the people that are borderline anyway. I’ve dealt with racism with police, work, walking down the street, and more ways than you can count, both from individuals doing or saying blatantly racist things as well as subtle, slick racism. So for me, who has seen it personally as well as second hand from the lowest to the highest, I’m well aware that there are people in all walks of life in this country with racist ideologies. I’ve seen plenty of stories about football coaches doing and saying racist things and have known football coaches who have done and said racist things. So folks like you getting all offended at the idea that maybe, just maybe, there are folks in the NFL, a league with a documented history of racism with this exact position is hilarious to me. And if that bothers you, instead of taking issue with me, take issue with the folks who perpetuated the actual racism. But you don’t do that. You want to argue with me for some reason. You want to tell me that somehow discussing race is somehow harmful in a world in which I have been called the N word on multiple occasions as have my kids. So anyone who thinks that we’re somehow making the world worse by having this conversation, I’d say they can kick rocks and have a great day. And I said from the jump I think Sanders is a 5th round talent, but as a black man in America, race is always a possible factor and so the discussion is always worth having.

Another long post where you end by revealing that you don’t actually believe the position that you’re arguing. So what exactly is your point?

Real talk: The problem you are experiencing, in my opinion, is that you are being associated with other black males because you share skin color. It’s human nature to make those comparisons. The individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences. This is a tendency of people of all races and cultures. is it racism? It’s fine with me if that’s what we want to call it. Will you ever be able to destroy it? No. People are always going to believe their own experiences over what they are taught. Only way to eliminate what you call racism is for blacks and whites to become equal in outcome. Two ways to do that, for blacks to rise, or for whites to fall. The former is obviously preferable. How do we get there? I think you are supporting the wrong path.

 

[gopherphil]

Ohhh the old ‘the black people are the real racists’ nonsense. People said the same thing in the 40s, 50s, 60s, etc.

Um im referring to white liberals… Research black on black crime in liberal run cities and states. Prove me wrong.

 

[oleboy41]

Another long post where you end by revealing that you don’t actually believe the position that you’re arguing. So what exactly is your point?

Real talk: The problem you are experiencing, in my opinion, is that you are being associated with other black males because you share skin color. It’s human nature to make those comparisons. The individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences. This is a tendency of people of all races and cultures. is it racism? It’s fine with me if that’s what we want to call it. Will you ever be able to destroy it? No. People are always going to believe their own experiences over what they are taught. Only way to eliminate what you call racism is for blacks and whites to become equal in outcome. Two ways to do that, for blacks to rise, or for whites to fall. The former is obviously preferable. How do we get there? I think you are supporting the wrong path.

The interesting thing about this is that you don't realize what you just said:

'the individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences.'

You're making the assumption that the issue of racism is that people have negative experiences with black people and then project that onto other black people. No, sir. The problem with racism is hate. There are people who hate black folks that live in areas that are almost all white. There are racist people that have never had a conversation with a black person, let alone an actual 'negative experience'. I've received an apology (unnacepted) from someone who committed a horrible racist action against my friends and I that included the statement that he didn't actually know any black people before this experience.

Racism has 0 to do with negative experiences. If that was the case I, and many others, would absolutely hate white people because I and many others have experienced actual racism at the hands of white people. Racism is about identity, self worth, and a worldview that allows people to think they are better than others because of THEIR skin color, not because of mine. Racism isn't about people thinking lowly of me because I'm black, its about them allowing themselves to think more highly of themselves because they aren't. There's a reason why the people most associated with racism are poor whites when they aren't the ones who most benefit from it. Give people a reason to feel superior and they'll hold onto it with their lives. It's also the reason many people refuse to allow themselves to see just how prevalent racism not only currently is, but has been throughout American history. Its way easier to be proud of the home your grandpa left you that he bought after the war for $20k and is now worth $500k when you don't have to think about the millions of black soldiers that were denied VA loans and thus denied the chance to build wealth that their white counterparts received and whos' families still benefit from. Coming to grips with those realities means fundamentally changing how you view this nation and often, your place in it. But it's way easier for folks to just call me racist for... understanding racism?

 

[oleboy41]

Um im referring to white liberals… Research black on black crime in liberal run cities and states. Prove me wrong.

In that case I'm not following you at all. You're calling white liberals racist? As opposed to white conservatives and/or moderates?

 

[oleboy41]

Drake Lindsey will be a better pro prospect than Shaduer fwiw

 

[mggoph]

The interesting thing about this is that you don't realize what you just said:

'the individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences.'

You're making the assumption that the issue of racism is that people have negative experiences with black people and then project that onto other black people. No, sir. The problem with racism is hate. There are people who hate black folks that live in areas that are almost all white. There are racist people that have never had a conversation with a black person, let alone an actual 'negative experience'. I've received an apology (unnacepted) from someone who committed a horrible racist action against my friends and I that included the statement that he didn't actually know any black people before this experience.

Racism has 0 to do with negative experiences. If that was the case I, and many others, would absolutely hate white people because I and many others have experienced actual racism at the hands of white people. Racism is about identity, self worth, and a worldview that allows people to think they are better than others because of THEIR skin color, not because of mine. Racism isn't about people thinking lowly of me because I'm black, its about them allowing themselves to think more highly of themselves because they aren't. There's a reason why the people most associated with racism are poor whites when they aren't the ones who most benefit from it. Give people a reason to feel superior and they'll hold onto it with their lives. It's also the reason many people refuse to allow themselves to see just how prevalent racism not only currently is, but has been throughout American history. Its way easier to be proud of the home your grandpa left you that he bought after the war for $20k and is now worth $500k when you don't have to think about the millions of black soldiers that were denied VA loans and thus denied the chance to build wealth that their white counterparts received and whos' families still benefit from. Coming to grips with those realities means fundamentally changing how you view this nation and often, your place in it. But it's way easier for folks to just call me racist for... understanding racism?

Everything you say can and does go both directions. There is racism both ways, along with Hispanic, Asian, et al. Get off the racist train.

And maybe mods should move this to the OTB.

 

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The interesting thing about this is that you don't realize what you just said:

'the individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences.'

You're making the assumption that the issue of racism is that people have negative experiences with black people and then project that onto other black people. No, sir. The problem with racism is hate. There are people who hate black folks that live in areas that are almost all white. There are racist people that have never had a conversation with a black person, let alone an actual 'negative experience'. I've received an apology (unnacepted) from someone who committed a horrible racist action against my friends and I that included the statement that he didn't actually know any black people before this experience.

Racism has 0 to do with negative experiences. If that was the case I, and many others, would absolutely hate white people because I and many others have experienced actual racism at the hands of white people. Racism is about identity, self worth, and a worldview that allows people to think they are better than others because of THEIR skin color, not because of mine. Racism isn't about people thinking lowly of me because I'm black, it’s about them allowing themselves to think more highly of themselves because they aren't. There's a reason why the people most associated with racism are poor whites when they aren't the ones who most benefit from it. Give people a reason to feel superior and they'll hold onto it with their lives. It's also the reason many people refuse to allow themselves to see just how prevalent racism not only currently is, but has been throughout American history. Its way easier to be proud of the home your grandpa left you that he bought after the war for $20k and is now worth $500k when you don't have to think about the millions of black soldiers that were denied VA loans and thus denied the chance to build wealth that their white counterparts received and whos' families still benefit from. Coming to grips with those realities means fundamentally changing how you view this nation and often, your place in it. But it's way easier for folks to just call me racist for... understanding racism?

In 2025 it would be pretty rare for have no interactions with black people. But I’ll grant it’s possible and their presumptions might be based on Tik tok or tv/movies.

I think it’s pretty ridiculous to argue that racism has nothing to do with real experiences. It’s actually the main reason in my mind that racist people change their hearts and minds. They have good experiences that defy their prejudices.

Poor white people have no power, so if your argument is that these are the real racists, then it kind of dismantles your institutional racism narrative.

Percent of the population that were gifted homes by their grandparents has to be <1%. Very few get homes from their parents unless they die young or when the kids are in their 60s 70s. A main complaint from white kids of boomer parents is that they hoard their wealth and don’t share it when it would be most beneficial to them (in their 20s). Generational wealth passing down is really not that common among white Americans. I live in an affluent area and provably 5% of my social world benefited from wealth being passed down. Most of us will inherit wealth in our 60s when we really don’t need it.