Shedeur Sanders’ Slide in NFL Draft Cost Him $44 Million

If you think someone bringing up issues of race will make people or society more racist, sounds like you believe folks are more susceptible to racist beliefs/actions than you’re letting on. And the idea that addressing issues of race is somehow harmful is, and has always been ridiculous as the only folks bothered are the people that are borderline anyway. I’ve dealt with racism with police, work, walking down the street, and more ways than you can count, both from individuals doing or saying blatantly racist things as well as subtle, slick racism. So for me, who has seen it personally as well as second hand from the lowest to the highest, I’m well aware that there are people in all walks of life in this country with racist ideologies. I’ve seen plenty of stories about football coaches doing and saying racist things and have known football coaches who have done and said racist things. So folks like you getting all offended at the idea that maybe, just maybe, there are folks in the NFL, a league with a documented history of racism with this exact position is hilarious to me. And if that bothers you, instead of taking issue with me, take issue with the folks who perpetuated the actual racism. But you don’t do that. You want to argue with me for some reason. You want to tell me that somehow discussing race is somehow harmful in a world in which I have been called the N word on multiple occasions as have my kids. So anyone who thinks that we’re somehow making the world worse by having this conversation, I’d say they can kick rocks and have a great day. And I said from the jump I think Sanders is a 5th round talent, but as a black man in America, race is always a possible factor and so the discussion is always worth having.
Another long post where you end by revealing that you don’t actually believe the position that you’re arguing. So what exactly is your point?

Real talk: The problem you are experiencing, in my opinion, is that you are being associated with other black males because you share skin color. It’s human nature to make those comparisons. The individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences. This is a tendency of people of all races and cultures. is it racism? It’s fine with me if that’s what we want to call it. Will you ever be able to destroy it? No. People are always going to believe their own experiences over what they are taught. Only way to eliminate what you call racism is for blacks and whites to become equal in outcome. Two ways to do that, for blacks to rise, or for whites to fall. The former is obviously preferable. How do we get there? I think you are supporting the wrong path.
 

Ohhh the old ‘the black people are the real racists’ nonsense. People said the same thing in the 40s, 50s, 60s, etc.
Um im referring to white liberals… Research black on black crime in liberal run cities and states. Prove me wrong.
 

Another long post where you end by revealing that you don’t actually believe the position that you’re arguing. So what exactly is your point?

Real talk: The problem you are experiencing, in my opinion, is that you are being associated with other black males because you share skin color. It’s human nature to make those comparisons. The individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences. This is a tendency of people of all races and cultures. is it racism? It’s fine with me if that’s what we want to call it. Will you ever be able to destroy it? No. People are always going to believe their own experiences over what they are taught. Only way to eliminate what you call racism is for blacks and whites to become equal in outcome. Two ways to do that, for blacks to rise, or for whites to fall. The former is obviously preferable. How do we get there? I think you are supporting the wrong path.
The interesting thing about this is that you don't realize what you just said:

'the individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences.'

You're making the assumption that the issue of racism is that people have negative experiences with black people and then project that onto other black people. No, sir. The problem with racism is hate. There are people who hate black folks that live in areas that are almost all white. There are racist people that have never had a conversation with a black person, let alone an actual 'negative experience'. I've received an apology (unnacepted) from someone who committed a horrible racist action against my friends and I that included the statement that he didn't actually know any black people before this experience.

Racism has 0 to do with negative experiences. If that was the case I, and many others, would absolutely hate white people because I and many others have experienced actual racism at the hands of white people. Racism is about identity, self worth, and a worldview that allows people to think they are better than others because of THEIR skin color, not because of mine. Racism isn't about people thinking lowly of me because I'm black, its about them allowing themselves to think more highly of themselves because they aren't. There's a reason why the people most associated with racism are poor whites when they aren't the ones who most benefit from it. Give people a reason to feel superior and they'll hold onto it with their lives. It's also the reason many people refuse to allow themselves to see just how prevalent racism not only currently is, but has been throughout American history. Its way easier to be proud of the home your grandpa left you that he bought after the war for $20k and is now worth $500k when you don't have to think about the millions of black soldiers that were denied VA loans and thus denied the chance to build wealth that their white counterparts received and whos' families still benefit from. Coming to grips with those realities means fundamentally changing how you view this nation and often, your place in it. But it's way easier for folks to just call me racist for... understanding racism?
 

Um im referring to white liberals… Research black on black crime in liberal run cities and states. Prove me wrong.
In that case I'm not following you at all. You're calling white liberals racist? As opposed to white conservatives and/or moderates?
 



The interesting thing about this is that you don't realize what you just said:

'the individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences.'

You're making the assumption that the issue of racism is that people have negative experiences with black people and then project that onto other black people. No, sir. The problem with racism is hate. There are people who hate black folks that live in areas that are almost all white. There are racist people that have never had a conversation with a black person, let alone an actual 'negative experience'. I've received an apology (unnacepted) from someone who committed a horrible racist action against my friends and I that included the statement that he didn't actually know any black people before this experience.

Racism has 0 to do with negative experiences. If that was the case I, and many others, would absolutely hate white people because I and many others have experienced actual racism at the hands of white people. Racism is about identity, self worth, and a worldview that allows people to think they are better than others because of THEIR skin color, not because of mine. Racism isn't about people thinking lowly of me because I'm black, its about them allowing themselves to think more highly of themselves because they aren't. There's a reason why the people most associated with racism are poor whites when they aren't the ones who most benefit from it. Give people a reason to feel superior and they'll hold onto it with their lives. It's also the reason many people refuse to allow themselves to see just how prevalent racism not only currently is, but has been throughout American history. Its way easier to be proud of the home your grandpa left you that he bought after the war for $20k and is now worth $500k when you don't have to think about the millions of black soldiers that were denied VA loans and thus denied the chance to build wealth that their white counterparts received and whos' families still benefit from. Coming to grips with those realities means fundamentally changing how you view this nation and often, your place in it. But it's way easier for folks to just call me racist for... understanding racism?
Everything you say can and does go both directions. There is racism both ways, along with Hispanic, Asian, et al. Get off the racist train.

And maybe mods should move this to the OTB.
 

The interesting thing about this is that you don't realize what you just said:

'the individuals who treat you poorly are associating you with other black individuals with which they have had negative experiences.'

You're making the assumption that the issue of racism is that people have negative experiences with black people and then project that onto other black people. No, sir. The problem with racism is hate. There are people who hate black folks that live in areas that are almost all white. There are racist people that have never had a conversation with a black person, let alone an actual 'negative experience'. I've received an apology (unnacepted) from someone who committed a horrible racist action against my friends and I that included the statement that he didn't actually know any black people before this experience.

Racism has 0 to do with negative experiences. If that was the case I, and many others, would absolutely hate white people because I and many others have experienced actual racism at the hands of white people. Racism is about identity, self worth, and a worldview that allows people to think they are better than others because of THEIR skin color, not because of mine. Racism isn't about people thinking lowly of me because I'm black, it’s about them allowing themselves to think more highly of themselves because they aren't. There's a reason why the people most associated with racism are poor whites when they aren't the ones who most benefit from it. Give people a reason to feel superior and they'll hold onto it with their lives. It's also the reason many people refuse to allow themselves to see just how prevalent racism not only currently is, but has been throughout American history. Its way easier to be proud of the home your grandpa left you that he bought after the war for $20k and is now worth $500k when you don't have to think about the millions of black soldiers that were denied VA loans and thus denied the chance to build wealth that their white counterparts received and whos' families still benefit from. Coming to grips with those realities means fundamentally changing how you view this nation and often, your place in it. But it's way easier for folks to just call me racist for... understanding racism?
In 2025 it would be pretty rare for have no interactions with black people. But I’ll grant it’s possible and their presumptions might be based on Tik tok or tv/movies.

I think it’s pretty ridiculous to argue that racism has nothing to do with real experiences. It’s actually the main reason in my mind that racist people change their hearts and minds. They have good experiences that defy their prejudices.

Poor white people have no power, so if your argument is that these are the real racists, then it kind of dismantles your institutional racism narrative.

Percent of the population that were gifted homes by their grandparents has to be <1%. Very few get homes from their parents unless they die young or when the kids are in their 60s 70s. A main complaint from white kids of boomer parents is that they hoard their wealth and don’t share it when it would be most beneficial to them (in their 20s). Generational wealth passing down is really not that common among white Americans. I live in an affluent area and provably 5% of my social world benefited from wealth being passed down. Most of us will inherit wealth in our 60s when we really don’t need it.
 

In 2025 it would be pretty rare for have no interactions with black people. But I’ll grant it’s possible and their presumptions might be based on Tik tok or tv/movies.

I think it’s pretty ridiculous to argue that racism has nothing to do with real experiences. It’s actually the main reason in my mind that racist people change their hearts and minds. They have good experiences that defy their prejudices.

Poor white people have no power, so if your argument is that these are the real racists, then it kind of dismantles your institutional racism narrative.

Percent of the population that were gifted homes by their grandparents has to be <1%. Very few get homes from their parents unless they die young or when the kids are in their 60s 70s. A main complaint from white kids of boomer parents is that they hoard their wealth and don’t share it when it would be most beneficial to them (in their 20s). Generational wealth passing down is really not that common among white Americans. I live in an affluent area and provably 5% of my social world benefited from wealth being passed down. Most of us will inherit wealth in our 60s when we really don’t need it.
Some good points here, but (and I have inherited wealth that I can't currently access due to its being in an LLC) just because we don't need it doesn't mean we don't have it and unless we blow it all or the economy totally tanks it will again be passed down again. The inability to produce multi-generational wealth of which home ownership has become the staple really does put those who cannot afford to own a home behind an eight-ball of sorts (provided the home maintains its value). Some people prefer to rent and depending on their income invest to produce a fair amount of wealth, but real estate and land usually produce more..
 





In 2025 it would be pretty rare for have no interactions with black people. But I’ll grant it’s possible and their presumptions might be based on Tik tok or tv/movies.

I think it’s pretty ridiculous to argue that racism has nothing to do with real experiences. It’s actually the main reason in my mind that racist people change their hearts and minds. They have good experiences that defy their prejudices.

Poor white people have no power, so if your argument is that these are the real racists, then it kind of dismantles your institutional racism narrative.

Percent of the population that were gifted homes by their grandparents has to be <1%. Very few get homes from their parents unless they die young or when the kids are in their 60s 70s. A main complaint from white kids of boomer parents is that they hoard their wealth and don’t share it when it would be most beneficial to them (in their 20s). Generational wealth passing down is really not that common among white Americans. I live in an affluent area and provably 5% of my social world benefited from wealth being passed down. Most of us will inherit wealth in our 60s when we really don’t need it.
Following your logic would then mean that the reason racism has ever been a problem in this country is because people had 'bad experiences' with black people. So all those white folks who lynched black people did so because there were black folks committing horrible acts worthy of those reactions. The reason the state of Oregon banned black people from living there was because all those lawmakers had bad experiences with black people. All the lawmakers who created the 2/3 rule did so because all those enslaved black people had done something to them. And all those Klan members were driven to that because of bad experiences they had. And in the 98% white town my child was called the N word in, it was because the perpetrators clearly had a 'bad experience' with a black person. What's odd about that, if racism is in fact mainly driven by personal experiences, is that you don't see that same hate and vitriol the other way. As much as you want to make the 'racism goes both ways' argument, the truth is that the facts don't bear that out in any meaningful way. We have centuries of evidence of institutional racism and 99.9% of it goes one way. If it was due to experiences we'd be flush with black hate groups and half the black people in this country would've been radicalized 50 years ago. So unless you're arguing that white people respond to their 'bad experiences' much differently than the scores of black people who've suffered from actual factual racism do, I'm curious as to what your reasoning is as to why racism is based on 'bad experiences'.

Also, I literally said poor white folks don't benefit the most from racism so there's no reason for you to create an argument and attach it to me as I stated my point clearly.

Regarding home ownership, that is the main way Americans build wealth. Millions of white GIs were allowed that opportunity while millions of black ones were denied that opportunity. That's the point and unless you're intentionally ignoring it, I think you understand. But in case it's confusing let a Harvard guy explain it:

SUMMERS: So how did home ownership become such a big part of the American dream? And how should Americans think about building wealth if they can't afford a home right now? We asked Chris Herbert. He's managing director of the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University.

CHRIS HERBERT: Well, homeownership has been a central way of building wealth, I would say, certainly all throughout the post-war period; the wake of World War II when the suburbs opened up. Although I would say importantly, it was not an avenue that was open to many people of color, particularly African Americans. And so while homeownership has long been an important source of wealth creation for whites, that hasn't been the case for Black Americans.

SUMMERS: Because you brought that up, I'd just like to ask you, do you have a sense or are you able to break down what the racial demographics of homeownership are today?

HERBERT: Well, today, about 73% of white households own their homes, where that rate is 43% for Black Americans. And so there's about a 30 percentage point gap in the homeownership rates between white and Black households. For Hispanics, the gap is somewhat smaller. Hispanics own homes at about a 47% rate. So the gap's a little bit smaller, but still substantial. So the difference between white households and Black and Hispanic households and the opportunities to own a home are substantial.

SUMMERS: What is it that is continuing to fuel the racial wealth gap when it comes to homeownership?

HERBERT: Well, one important piece of it is that historical pattern of owning and the fact that because people of color didn't get to own homes at the same rate in the '50s and '60s. And importantly, many times the pattern of racial segregation meant that people of color were living in neighborhoods that over time have been subject to disinvestment and not - have not appreciated as much - is that people - Black and Hispanic households today don't have as many parents who were homeowners. And that intergenerational transfer of wealth is an important means that people today are able to put down a down payment to be able to buy a home. So one big reason that we have such substantial gaps in homeownership today is it's a reflection of the significant gaps we had a generation ago.

 








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