SDSU just made it harder to bring recruits to the u.

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minngg said:
My "boyfriend" has many admirers not named minngg or anyone else in here. They are called NBA scouts. They are called coaches. They don't analyze how he got good, they analyze how good he is. He is ranked higher than any other guard that ever played here for Tubby by a huge margin.
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Who and where are all these so-called experts? Cite some of them for us.

The most reputable (and accurate) NBA draft analysis site, nbadraft.net, has a mock 2013 draft up, and Wolters is nowhere to be seen:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

Here are several more. None of them have Wolters being selected:

http://nbadraftroom2.blogspot.com/p/2013-nba-mock-draft.html
http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2013mock.php
http://prospect-central.blogspot.com/p/2013-nba-mock-draft.html
http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/2011/09/29/2013-nba-mock-draft-sneak-preview/
http://www.thesportsbank.net/illinois-illini/2013-nba-mock-draft-1312/

One site, draftexpress.com, has Wolters predicted to be selected #19 in the 2nd round, #49 overall:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/

Championship teams are built all the time on the backs of non-drafted players all the time!
 

zambam said:
I like how Burke's success was because he destroyed Dre but Harison Barnes struggles had nothing to do with our defense. You just love to find a way to bash the players you don't like, don't you?
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No, I happen to like Andre as a player very much. I was showing that good players are not good in every game. They can have a very good game followed by a not good game and to point out the bad game is nonsense? Follow?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Who and where are all these so-called experts? Cite some of them for us.

The most reputable (and accurate) NBA draft analysis site, nbadraft.net, has a mock 2013 draft up, and Wolters is nowhere to be seen:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

Here are several more. None of them have Wolters being selected:

http://nbadraftroom2.blogspot.com/p/2013-nba-mock-draft.html
http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2013mock.php
http://prospect-central.blogspot.com/p/2013-nba-mock-draft.html
http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/2011/09/29/2013-nba-mock-draft-sneak-preview/
http://www.thesportsbank.net/illinois-illini/2013-nba-mock-draft-1312/

One site, draftexpress.com, has Wolters predicted to be selected #19 in the 2nd round, #49 overall:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/

Championship teams are built all the time on the backs of non-drafted players all the time!
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I have never said Wolters is an NBA player. never. He is a great co9llege player. He was mid-season all -american for SI. That is for all size schools. Did you see the selection show? Greg Anthony praised him endlessly. Fran Frechetta has said he is a terrific player. Seth Davis picks SDSU to upset Baylor onthe back of Wolters. Lorenzo Romar says he hasn't seen a guard like him since Jason Kidd. That he might be the best player in the Pac-12 if he was in the league. ESPN says some scouts are telling them that has a real shot at the NBA. Pick up or read about top pg's in the country and chances are Nate is named.

How many of MN's guards have been listed anywhere for anything? How about that top list you showed above? Any ranked higher than Wolters? I mean top guys like Allen? Westbrook? Are you kidding me?

Nobody called Nate a championship pg. You simply do not need to be to play in the Big Ten and especially MN. Ask any non-homer if Nate Wolters would be the best guard to play at MN in Tubby's time here and they would say yes. On here....not so much.
 




But like I've been saying anyone saying Wolters is the better than anyone on the gophers is using hindsight to prove their case, he wasn't scholarship player for the U at the time, he has turned himself into what he is and deserves all the praise, that he gets, but it probably wouldn't have turned out that way had he gone to the U. I mean after all who knows how Larry Bird would've turned out had he stayed at IU and not gone to Indiana State. I think Dre Hollins will be one of thoe guys in a few years who gets talked about, Mbakwe and Williams already have been, of course we all know Williams has alot to work on, but maybe if he had gone to a mid major, maybe he would be a dominant power forward leading some school to the tourney, who knows. Again hindsight is 20/20, goodluck to Mr. Wolters in the tourney, they earned and he's earned everything that he's worked hard for.
 

minngg said:
I have never said Wolters is an NBA player. never. He is a great co9llege player. He was mid-season all -american for SI. That is for all size schools. Did you see the selection show? Greg Anthony praised him endlessly. Fran Frechetta has said he is a terrific player. Seth Davis picks SDSU to upset Baylor onthe back of Wolters. Lorenzo Romar says he hasn't seen a guard like him since Jason Kidd. That he might be the best player in the Pac-12 if he was in the league. ESPN says some scouts are telling them that has a real shot at the NBA. Pick up or read about top pg's in the country and chances are Nate is named.
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I don't believe you. I didn't see any of this. Cite some. Actual quotes or physical evidence. I'm not doing your homework for you. I need some substantiation of all of these claims. You just saying it doesn't make it so. I've provided plenty of evidence to support that Wolters is generally not very well thought of among "NBA scouts and coaches". Hell, in your own link provided below, Chad Ford calls him 2nd round to undrafted. That's "highly thought of" in your eyes? Where's your evidence (other than you saying it is so) to counter it?

minngg said:
How many of MN's guards have been listed anywhere for anything? How about that top list you showed above? Any ranked higher than Wolters? I mean top guys like Allen? Westbrook? Are you kidding me?
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This is obfuscation. None of this has anything to do with whether Wolters would've been a good player for the Gophers, nor anything to do with whether Wolters is highly thought of among "NBA scouts and coaches". And if you're going to obfuscate, do a better job of it. Bringing up Bryant Allen? The walk-on who came here to play football? At least make it a legitimate argument and include Nolen, Joseph, Cobbs, Hollins, and Welch.

minngg said:
Nobody called Nate a championship pg. You simply do not need to be to play in the Big Ten and especially MN.
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You don't? Name the last Big Ten team to win a national title without an elite PG.

minngg said:
Ask any non-homer if Nate Wolters would be the best guard to play at MN in Tubby's time here and they would say yes. On here....not so much.
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You are dead wrong on this. I have tons of relatives and friends who have and are currently attending SDSU. The ones that actually follow the team and are basketball rubes all say the same thing. They appreciate him for who he is - a very good low-major basketball player. They don't harbor any illusions that he would be setting the world on fire in a high-major conference. If he were so great, why couldn't he lead his NCAA Tournament team to a victory over this lowly, pathetic Gophers squad?
 

This is one of the dumbest threads ever. Can't we all just agree that Wolters is pretty good, that there was no reasonable chance that he was going to get recruited by a B1G school out of high school, and enjoy a midwest mid-major try and beat the Jailor (I mean Baylor) Bears this week??
 

Juicer said:
This is one of the dumbest threads ever. Can't we all just agree that Wolters is pretty good, that there was no reasonable chance that he was going to get recruited by a B1G school out of high school, and enjoy a midwest mid-major try and beat the Jailor (I mean Baylor) Bears this week??
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Agreed. Dumbest. Thread. Ever. Also, nobody gives a rip about ND or SD other than those unfortunate to have been born there or to have attended school there. I also agree that Wolters is a pretty good guard... for the Summit League - which is like saying "he's really tall for a midget"
 



dpodoll68 said:
I don't believe you. I didn't see any of this. Cite some. Actual quotes or physical evidence. I'm not doing your homework for you. I need some substantiation of all of these claims. You just saying it doesn't make it so. I've provided plenty of evidence to support that Wolters is generally not very well thought of among "NBA scouts and coaches". Hell, in your own link provided below, Chad Ford calls him 2nd round to undrafted. That's "highly thought of" in your eyes? Where's your evidence (other than you saying it is so) to counter it?



This is obfuscation. None of this has anything to do with whether Wolters would've been a good player for the Gophers, nor anything to do with whether Wolters is highly thought of among "NBA scouts and coaches". And if you're going to obfuscate, do a better job of it. Bringing up Bryant Allen? The walk-on who came here to play football? At least make it a legitimate argument and include Nolen, Joseph, Cobbs, Hollins, and Welch.



You don't? Name the last Big Ten team to win a national title without an elite PG.



You are dead wrong on this. I have tons of relatives and friends who have and are currently attending SDSU. The ones that actually follow the team and are basketball rubes all say the same thing. They appreciate him for who he is - a very good low-major basketball player. They don't harbor any illusions that he would be setting the world on fire in a high-major conference. If he were so great, why couldn't he lead his NCAA Tournament team to a victory over this lowly, pathetic Gophers squad?
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I have never seen a guy twist and turn as much as you to try and be right. You change every one of my arguments to fit your weak argument. Name me a guard better than Nate that has played here? Being a 2nd round NBA pg draftee isn't that good???? Really? How many Gopher guards have been drafted in the 2nd round? You lost the argument because the people I sited in my links are highly reputable basketball writers and you? Well, you are the biggest homer I have seen in years. I'm embarrassed you even root for the same team as me.
 

Tubtastic said:
Agreed. Dumbest. Thread. Ever. Also, nobody gives a rip about ND or SD other than those unfortunate to have been born there or to have attended school there. I also agree that Wolters is a pretty good guard... for the Summit League - which is like saying "he's really tall for a midget"
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What is dumb is the generalization you just made about mid major basketball. Was Devean George just another good forward at Augsburg? Which is like saying he was a really tall midget compared to SDSU? Nice analysis homer.
 

minngg said:
What is dumb is the generalization you just made about mid major basketball. Was Devean George just another good forward at Augsburg? Which is like saying he was a really tall midget compared to SDSU? Nice analysis homer.
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You're really dumb for an idiot.
 




minngg said:
What is dumb is the generalization you just made about mid major basketball. Was Devean George just another good forward at Augsburg? Which is like saying he was a really tall midget compared to SDSU? Nice analysis homer.
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True. The exception (George) is greater than the rule (Summit League stars do not equal NBA let alone major conference talent). * Sarcasm *
 

Tubtastic said:
True. The exception (George) is greater than the rule (Summit League stars do not equal NBA let alone major conference talent). * Sarcasm *
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Nate Wolters isn't your normal Summit League pg. There is a reason SDSU has never been to the tournament until now.
 

minngg said:
Nate Wolters isn't your normal Summit League pg. There is a reason SDSU has never been to the tournament until now.
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And it wasn't because of Wolters who was 5-22 in the Summit League championship game...

Give it a break, Wolters is a nice player for a mid major team--that's it.
 

Tubtastic said:
And it wasn't because of Wolters who was 5-22 in the Summit League championship game...

Give it a break, Wolters is a nice player for a mid major team--that's it.
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Uh, did you even read the links posted? If you believe that, you are in the minority of basketball experts. Did you forget that in the semi's of the Summit tourney he had 31 pts or doesn't that game matter to you?
 

minngg said:
Uh, did you even read the links posted? If you believe that, you are in the minority of basketball experts. Did you forget that in the semi's of the Summit tourney he had 31 pts or doesn't that game matter to you?
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It's funny how you constantly rip the Gophs and their guard play yet the NIT bound Gophs beat up on Wolters, including Mav who ripped Wolters on D.
 

Tubtastic said:
It's funny how you constantly rip the Gophs and their guard play yet the NIT bound Gophs beat up on Wolters, including Mav who ripped Wolters on D.
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Really? Well Wolters ripped on Cory Wooten at Washington and he is going to be drafted in the first round. Maybe we should play SDSU on the road a game and see what happens? To even suggest Mav could play with Wolters is plain silly. Only a homer to the nth degree would even think it.
 

Tubtastic said:
It's funny how you constantly rip the Gophs and their guard play yet the NIT bound Gophs beat up on Wolters, including Mav who ripped Wolters on D.
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Minnggg just looks for attention. He gets off on this.
 

minngg said:
Really? Well Wolters ripped on Cory Wooten at Washington and he is going to be drafted in the first round. Maybe we should play SDSU on the road a game and see what happens? To even suggest Mav could play with Wolters is plain silly. Only a homer to the nth degree would even think it.
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I forgot did Wolters get offered by any major program? It's not like he went went to a consistent power why do you keep bringing up Wolters like he would even be realavent in the big ten..
 

Parski1 said:
Minnggg just looks for attention. He gets off on this.
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Understood. The ridiculousness of his posts are not lost on me. The fact he is trying to keep this thread on life support demonstrates how dumb it really is. ;)
 

Lol, you argue, lose, than to cover yourselves you rip the thread and me personally. Nice moves. Anyone that thinks for second Nate Wolters would be irrelevent in any basketball conference is simply a homer or simply uniformed. Not sure which you guys are. Possibly both.
 

minngg said:
Lol, you argue, lose, than to cover yourselves you rip the thread and me personally. Nice moves. Anyone that thinks for second Nate Wolters would be irrelevent in any basketball conference is simply a homer or simply uniformed. Not sure which you guys are. Possibly both.
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Who said he would be irrelevent [sic]? Quote that post, please.

I'm also still waiting for written evidence of "NBA scouts and coaches" calling Wolters a "great player".

I already know your earlier reference to Romar saying that he "hasn't seen a guard like him since Jason Kidd" is a bald-faced lie, so I wouldn't be surprised at all to discover that you're fabricating the rest out of whole cloth as well.
 

minngg said:
Lol, you argue, lose, than to cover yourselves you rip the thread and me personally. Nice moves. Anyone that thinks for second Nate Wolters would be irrelevent in any basketball conference is simply a homer or simply uniformed. Not sure which you guys are. Possibly both.
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Personally, I take great pride in being a homer. So if you could call me perosonally that, I'd appreciate it. I am not a reporter, I am a fan and as a fan I am 110% a homer.

That said, Wolters is a good player. He really is. Summitt leauge or not, he is a good player. The Gophers should NOT have offered him out of high school. It would have been a huge mistake to spend a scholly on a guy with no other major offers. Wolters did benefit greatly from all the playing time he got at SDSU. He got a lot of playing time which is great for development. He would not have had the same playing time here as a freshman. No one can have any clue how his development would have worked out in that situation. Some guys develop better from learning (sit your rookie QB for awhile and let him learn) and some guys develop from playing and learning (play the rookie QB day one and let him learn). No one knows Wolters inernal make up and how he would have responded being here.

I also have no clue where he'd fit into the rotation here, now. If he were here we probably would have not signed Welch. So he probably would see some good playing time. Dre would play over him, IMO, but other than that, I'd have to think he'd get playing time as an upperclassmen and see plenty of action on the Gophers. Not sure how much better off we'd be. No one is. I think he would have played though and possibly started if we signed him going in to this season like a free agent and Trevor got hurt.

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Honestly, this argument is pointless. It's fair to say that if Wolters had orignally gone to the U he would not have developed as much as he did at SDSU. At the time, it was the right decision to not give him the scholly. Now if something had happened and he tried to transfer to the U (eligible to play right away) before this season I would say Tubby should jump on that oppurtunity. But arguing that Tubby should have signed him is pointless and I think most people on here would agree if he had been able to transfer and play this season, they would have been happy with that.

Also, I was watching ESPN this morning and I did hear him mentioned and he was compared to Steve Nash, but I think this is over the top. He is no where near the same in shooting. Is he good? Ya, he is. But I think there are a lot of guards at mid-majors that are just as good, if not better.
 

zambam said:
Also, I was watching ESPN this morning and I did hear him mentioned and he was compared to Steve Nash
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This is why using talking heads as the "expert" opinions is pointless. They get paid to say things like this. Heck, using football as an example I believe talking heads have compared Q to Vince Young, Troy Smith, and several other players who has not yet begun to reach in terms of success.
 

wolters 5-22 in his biggest game, choked. If he doesnt have the refs calling his drives, he is toast. 22% from 3's?
 

I think Wolters is a fantastic player. Puts up incredible numbers regardless of the competition that he faces and I wish him good luck vs Baylor and I hope he has a good game.

That being said he would struggle against Big Ten competition night in and night out. He typically struggles in games vs. big six conferences, with the exception of the Washington game(but can we really consider the PAC12 in "big six" of basketball conferences? I digress.) which was just an absurd stat line. I know someone posted his stat line from the Nebraska which was 3-14 however I give him credit he got to the foul line but it is a little disturbing vs a poor Nebraska defense. Yes that is just one game, however you look at the Minnesota game he got 20 points but on 22 shots and only 3 FTA. Then you look at the Georgia game and he scores 15 points on 16 shots, 6 FTAs but only converted 2 of them.

Just a little disturbing.
 

i coached against nate during his junior season and came away very impressed. he is really good player and he would have played for us but he would have been a much different player! he would have been more like blake imo. tubby's offense wouldnt have allowed nate to take 20-25 shots a game, and if it did devoe and cobbs would still be here
 

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