SDSU just made it harder to bring recruits to the u.

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minngg said:
Thanks. I appreciate it. You got caught being dumb so you attack me. Great work Tubtastic, lol.
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Everybody attacks you - do you think there is a reason for that?
 


sdsu is ZERO threat to gophers. wolters is overrated, and they were 5-24 2 years ago in small town south dakota.
not 1 kid looking at minnesota would consider going there.
 

ndsugopherfan said:
sdsu is ZERO threat to gophers. wolters is overrated, and they were 5-24 2 years ago in small town south dakota.
not 1 kid looking at minnesota would consider going there.
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Thanks Lakes.

Just three years ago NDSU was 26-7....two years later they were 14-15 and now they're 17-13.

SDSU was 5-24 and now in the NCAA Tourney. I'd take that trajectory.
 



Seth Davis just said they would beat Baylor I laughed.
 

Maximus said:
Thanks Lakes.

Just three years ago NDSU was 26-7....two years later they were 14-15 and now they're 17-13.

SDSU was 5-24 and now in the NCAA Tourney. I'd take that trajectory.
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Lakes is still bitter that Nate said thanks,but no thanks to the Bison - he's been stalking him ever since.
 

ndsugopherfan said:
sdsu is ZERO threat to gophers. wolters is overrated, and they were 5-24 2 years ago in small town south dakota.
not 1 kid looking at minnesota would consider going there.
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Okay, I'll bite.

Actually, 5 years ago they were 6-24. As in the 06-07 season, my freshman year there. SDSU has steadily improved every year since then and are now 27-7 heading into the tournament. Nagy is doing a great job and to deny that is foolish and ignorant. Give credit where credit is due, you mook. I strongly dislike NDSU, but I still can admit that the year they made the tourney they were a great team.

Sour grapes, much? NDSU has owned that rivalry for the last few years, but this year we destroyed you. Twice. Get used to it. EDIT: My bad, destroyed you once and beat you overtime once. Still, get used to it.

20ppg, 6apg, 5rpg and Wolters is overrated? I'd like to see your definition of "correctly rated." It would give me a good, hearty laugh.

I'm from Minnesota. I come from a family of Gopher fans and have cheered for them since birth, quite literally. Yet I went to SDSU and have absolutely zero regrets about the decision to go there. If I were to go back and face the decision again, I would never choose the University of Minnesota. If you want to bring up anything about SDSU or degrees from there being worthless, think again. I'm a second year student at the Indiana University School of Optometry, and they have no problem that my BS is from SDSU. In fact, I've been commended with my undergraduate training.

What's wrong with Small Town, USA? I hate large cities. They're cramped, over-populated, expensive, and ridiculously hard to get around. Brookings is quiet and peaceful, the people there are incredibly nice. Much, much nicer than the people I've dealt with from Minneapolis, for example.

If you would like to refute any of this, come talk to me. Or better yet, next time you want to talk bad about SDSU without reason or with incorrect information, pull your lower lip over your head and swallow.

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minngg said:
You are not saying that MN has a better guard than Wolters are you? Forget points. Look at his assists and assist to TO ratio. He only scores because he has to. He is a true PG, do you remember what those look like?
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I am not trying to say that Wolters is not a very good player, but as others have said, he would likely be a role player on many power conference teams. His stats are largely inflated by playing in the summit league. Want an example? Three of his worst seven shooting games came against power conference teams. His assists and assist to TO ratio were also quite a bit worse in these games. By the way, none of these teams made the NCAA tournament, yet SD lost to all three. One was against the Gophers (who have worse guards, all of them I hear), one was against Georgia (15-17, 5-11), and the last was Nebraska (12-18, 4-14).

You are clearly pointing to his overall body of work, which has been good in the summit league, but would be a far different story in any one of the power conferences.
 



MODS: can we please move this stupid ass thread to the "off topic" board already?! my God, the way you guys let some of these pointless and silly threads go on and on is puzzling.
 

sorry to disappoint who you think i am. I was just stating that ndsu or sdsu doesnt mean squat to minnesota recruiting. minnesota recruits top 50-100 kids, not whatever falls through the cracks.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
Seth Davis just said they would beat Baylor I laughed.
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I actually think they've got a solid shot because of their 3 point shooting. They have four guys that shoot over 40% from outside the arch, including three that are over 46% (those three are in the top 30 in 3 point percentage in the country, btw). With that, they could go on a run and beat a few teams. Or they could just as easily get blown out by 25.
 

mplarson7 said:
Okay, I'll bite.

Actually, 5 years ago they were 6-24. As in the 06-07 season, my freshman year there. SDSU has steadily improved every year since then and are now 27-7 heading into the tournament. Nagy is doing a great job and to deny that is foolish and ignorant. Give credit where credit is due, you mook. I strongly dislike NDSU, but I still can admit that the year they made the tourney they were a great team.

Sour grapes, much? NDSU has owned that rivalry for the last few years, but this year we destroyed you. Twice. Get used to it. EDIT: My bad, destroyed you once and beat you overtime once. Still, get used to it.

20ppg, 6apg, 5rpg and Wolters is overrated? I'd like to see your definition of "correctly rated." It would give me a good, hearty laugh.

I'm from Minnesota. I come from a family of Gopher fans and have cheered for them since birth, quite literally. Yet I went to SDSU and have absolutely zero regrets about the decision to go there. If I were to go back and face the decision again, I would never choose the University of Minnesota. If you want to bring up anything about SDSU or degrees from there being worthless, think again. I'm a second year student at the Indiana University School of Optometry, and they have no problem that my BS is from SDSU. In fact, I've been commended with my undergraduate training.

What's wrong with Small Town, USA? I hate large cities. They're cramped, over-populated, expensive, and ridiculously hard to get around. Brookings is quiet and peaceful, the people there are incredibly nice. Much, much nicer than the people I've dealt with from Minneapolis, for example.

If you would like to refute any of this, come talk to me. Or better yet, next time you want to talk bad about SDSU without reason or with incorrect information, pull your lower lip over your head and swallow.

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A little touchy aren't we? I am glad you went to SDS and had a great experience. But as you like the prairie I would NEVER trade my experiences at the U and never considered going to a school like SDS. Nothing wrong with small town USA but its not for everyone. Some people like all the opportunities that a large metro area offers and all that a Big Ten school offers. The U is what you make it and I made it into a great experience!
 



supadupafly said:
MODS: can we please move this stupid ass thread to the "off topic" board already?! my God, the way you guys let some of these pointless and silly threads go on and on is puzzling.
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No one is forcing you to read the thread, much less reply to it.
 

supadupafly said:
MODS: can we please move this stupid ass thread to the "off topic" board already?! my God, the way you guys let some of these pointless and silly threads go on and on is puzzling.
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This thread is very stupid, I will grant you that. But in no way is it off-topic.
 

Unbelieveable the homerism on this thread. Wolters a role player???? Give me a break. He would be MN's best guard by far. Is it so bad in here that we cannot even give credit to a MN kid that has led a team to the dance for the very first time? A great kid at that? Why the hate? My goodness people, get a grip on reality. Every expert loves the kids game and yet, because he is not a Gopher, diss him? Embarrassing.
 

For the 8,000th time, Wolters wouldn't be starting and playing 30-40 minutes a game here like he has at SDSU since game 1 of his freshman year. His development path would be entirely different. He may or may not have been a good player here, but to say for certain either way is mere speculation. You can say people are "diss"ing him, but you're slurping at the trough based on his development and production as a low-major DI player. There is no way to say for sure either way. It is a hypothetical. As someone who is a SD native and has been following SDSU since birth, he is easily the best player in school history. It is certain that he would not even be the best player on this team had the Gophers offered him a scholarship.
 

dpodoll68 said:
For the 8,000th time, Wolters wouldn't be starting and playing 30-40 minutes a game here like he has at SDSU since game 1 of his freshman year. His development path would be entirely different. He may or may not have been a good player here, but to say for certain either way is mere speculation. You can say people are "diss"ing him, but you're slurping at the trough based on his development and production as a low-major DI player. There is no way to say for sure either way. It is a hypothetical. As someone who is a SD native and has been following SDSU since birth, he is easily the best player in school history. It is certain that he would not even be the best player on this team had the Gophers offered him a scholarship.
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90% of this board is hypothetical. The whole Tubby failure topic is based on what if and could have been. Every expert I have read says Wolters is a top guard inthe country. No "ifs", no "maybe", no "small conference talent", just that he is a terrific player. To think that his talent would have developed differently here is questionable. he may have develpoed into a better player. He certainly would have had plenty of opportunity to play with the group of gaurds Tubby has brought in.
 

As far as Wolters goes he would definently help this team now, I personally like the Hollins' boys a little more and I think Coleman when hes done will leave his mark as well, but Wolters is good enough to get minutes on this team, but he wouldn't put up the numbers that he does now in Tubby's offense or in the B1G in general because he wouldn't play as many minutes or take as many shots on a team with more depth. As for the Jackrabbits congrats on winning the conference, but if the gophers want somebody in Minnesota or the Dakotas, Tubby is going to land him over any of the four Dakota schools, B1G vs summit/Great West league it's a no brainer why would Colton Iverson stay home in Vermtown when he could go to the U. The Dakota schools if they're going to have success have to get the guys Minnesota didn't want and coach them up, Wolters shouldn't have gotten scholly from the U four years ago, he wasn't good enough, he was good enough for NDSU and SDSU and personally I would've taken a scholly from those schools over walking on anywhere because on a personal note a scholly is a scholly and I think most people would too. Wolters worked his tail off to get to where he is today and is a very good player, but his teams also went 0-4 against the U and I tink the U is something like 16-0 altime vs the Bison and the Rabbits. That is the truth, he would help, but I serious doubt the experts would look at him in the samelight had he decided to walk on here. Keep in mind he would've been behind Westbrook, Devoe and Hoff on the depth chart his frosh year
 

minngg said:
90% of this board is hypothetical. The whole Tubby failure topic is based on what if and could have been. Every expert I have read says Wolters is a top guard inthe country. No "ifs", no "maybe", no "small conference talent", just that he is a terrific player. To think that his talent would have developed differently here is questionable. he may have develpoed into a better player. He certainly would have had plenty of opportunity to play with the group of gaurds Tubby has brought in.
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Every "expert" has brought him up because they are in the NCAA tournament and when the Jackrabbits game is brought up, they need something to talk about. This is because they have nothing else to talk about and they will not completely ignore the team. That is not their job. Ever see him talked about during the season? No, because they play in a mid-major. Nobody here is saying that he is a bad player. He is clearly good, but would not have had the experience or development here, that he had at SD. To say differently is ridiculous. Even if he developed the exact same here, he would not have even similar stats. 30 minutes a game? Laughable. Tubby doesn't play anybody that much......ever. He certainly wouldn't have been able to shoot as much as has. I saw a few games on his stat sheet where he shot around 25 times and had less than a .300 shooting percentage. We would have crucified him.
 

bemidjigopher said:
As far as Wolters goes he would definently help this team now, I personally like the Hollins' boys a little more and I think Coleman when hes done will leave his mark as well, but Wolters is good enough to get minutes on this team, but he wouldn't put up the numbers that he does now in Tubby's offense or in the B1G in general because he wouldn't play as many minutes or take as many shots on a team with more depth. As for the Jackrabbits congrats on winning the conference, but if the gophers want somebody in Minnesota or the Dakotas, Tubby is going to land him over any of the four Dakota schools, B1G vs summit/Great West league it's a no brainer why would Colton Iverson stay home in Vermtown when he could go to the U. The Dakota schools if they're going to have success have to get the guys Minnesota didn't want and coach them up, Wolters shouldn't have gotten scholly from the U four years ago, he wasn't good enough, he was good enough for NDSU and SDSU and personally I would've taken a scholly from those schools over walking on anywhere because on a personal note a scholly is a scholly and I think most people would too. Wolters worked his tail off to get to where he is today and is a very good player, but his teams also went 0-4 against the U and I tink the U is something like 16-0 altime vs the Bison and the Rabbits. That is the truth, he would help, but I serious doubt the experts would look at him in the samelight had he decided to walk on here. Keep in mind he would've been behind Westbrook, Devoe and Hoff on the depth chart his frosh year
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Yup
 

stocker08 said:
Every "expert" has brought him up because they are in the NCAA tournament and when the Jackrabbits game is brought up, they need something to talk about. This is because they have nothing else to talk about and they will not completely ignore the team. That is not their job. Ever see him talked about during the season? No, because they play in a mid-major. Nobody here is saying that he is a bad player. He is clearly good, but would not have had the experience or development here, that he had at SD. To say differently is ridiculous. Even if he developed the exact same here, he would not have even similar stats. 30 minutes a game? Laughable. Tubby doesn't play anybody that much......ever. He certainly wouldn't have been able to shoot as much as has. I saw a few games on his stat sheet where he shot around 25 times and had less than a .300 shooting percentage. We would have crucified him.
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.300 shooting percentage?? Good grief where do these poeple come from?
 

minngg said:
He certainly would have had plenty of opportunity to play with the group of gaurds Tubby has brought in.
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How in the hell do you figure? Who was he going to steal minutes from his freshman year?

Westbrook (Sr.) - 26.4 mpg
Bostick (Sr.) - 9.7 mpg
Hoffarber (Jr.) - 27.8 mpg
Nolen (Jr.) - 25.4 mpg
Joseph (So.) - 25.5 mpg
Cobbs (Fr.) - 10.7 mpg
Allen (Fr.) - 2.4 mpg

There are 80 mpg available to the 2 G positions. There are already 127.9 mpg accounted for in the above list, which can partially be explained by Nolen and Bostick missing significant stretches due to injury, and partially by Tubby playing some of the players at the 3 for significant stretches. As I'm sure you're aware, since you have Wolters' glans bouncing off your tonsils constantly, he played 24.3 mpg as a freshman. In this alternate universe where Wolters signs with the Gophers, he would be a borderline scholarship player at best, and more likely a redshirt. So who was Tubby going to take minutes away from to get Wolters the requisite 24 mpg he needed to develop at the same pace he did at SDSU? Westbrook? Please. Nolen? Haha. Hoffarber? Yes, great idea. Joseph? Since, by your own admission, Joseph is the greatest player in the Pac 12, I doubt Tubby was going to sit him to get the shoulda-redshirted player 24 mpg. In the real world where the rest of us live, Wolters would've either been redshirted or maybe given Bostick's run at best. You think he's the same player today with 9 mpg instead of 24 mpg 2 years ago? Please.

The situation was a little better for his sophomore season, given the graduations of Westbrook and Bostick, the injury to Nolen, and 420 smoking his way out of school. But Wolters (as you're well aware) played 33.2 mpg his sophomore season. There is one player, and one player only, who has received that much PT in Tubby's entire tenure at Minnesota. That was Blake Hoffarber, as a senior, who was the only upperclassman G on the entire roster after Nolen got hurt and 420 smoked his way out. So Wolters, now a sophomore, is going to get far more PT than any other non-senior player in the history of Tubby's tenure at Minnesota? Are you sure you weren't sitting in on some of 420's doping sessions?

In reality, Wolters would've probably played somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10 mpg his freshman year (assuming he didn't redshirt), and probably 18-20 mpg his sophomore year, and only by default because he would be the only non-freshman G on the roster aside from Hoffarber. Given those numbers (which are pretty aggressive if anything), that means he would've played around 300 minutes his freshman year, and around 600 minutes his sophomore year. In real life, with SDSU, he played somewhere around 1,800 minutes between his freshman and sophomore year. He would've gotten better coaching here and probably developed a little more quickly because of it, but no amount of coaching is going to remediate the disparity of 1,200 minutes over the course of two seasons. That is in essence a full season of playing 40 mpg every single game. And even if we buy into your (absurd) premise that he would be playing the same 35.7 mpg for Minnesota this season as he is for SDSU, how do you remediate that disparity? Hmm?

I know you're not willing to give Tubby any credit at all for anything ever, but at least deal in facts when discussing your boyfriend.
 

minngg said:
.300 shooting percentage?? Good grief where do these poeple come from?
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I said a "few" games.

Nebraska: 3 - 14 .214 3PM 0 - 4 .000
W Illinois: 5 - 16 .313 3PM 0 - 4 .000
NDSU : 9 - 28 .321 3PM 2 - 9 .222
W Illinois: 5 - 22 .227 3PM 1 - 5 .200

Reading comprehension. Find it.
 

stocker08 said:
I said a "few" games.

Nebraska: 3 - 14 .214 3PM 0 - 4 .000
W Illinois: 5 - 16 .313 3PM 0 - 4 .000
NDSU : 9 - 28 .321 3PM 2 - 9 .222
W Illinois: 5 - 22 .227 3PM 1 - 5 .200

Reading comprehension. Find it.
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yeah and Kobe bryant has a few of those games too. Harison Barnes was 1-11 form the field against us. Burke after destroying Andre went 1-11 against OSU. What's your point?
 

minngg said:
yeah and Kobe bryant has a few of those games too. Harison Barnes was 1-11 form the field against us. Burke after destroying Andre went 1-11 against OSU. What's your point?
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I like how Burke's success was because he destroyed Dre but Harison Barnes struggles had nothing to do with our defense. You just love to find a way to bash the players you don't like, don't you?
 

dpodoll68 said:
How in the hell do you figure? Who was he going to steal minutes from his freshman year?

Westbrook (Sr.) - 26.4 mpg
Bostick (Sr.) - 9.7 mpg
Hoffarber (Jr.) - 27.8 mpg
Nolen (Jr.) - 25.4 mpg
Joseph (So.) - 25.5 mpg
Cobbs (Fr.) - 10.7 mpg
Allen (Fr.) - 2.4 mpg

There are 80 mpg available to the 2 G positions. There are already 127.9 mpg accounted for in the above list, which can partially be explained by Nolen and Bostick missing significant stretches due to injury, and partially by Tubby playing some of the players at the 3 for significant stretches. As I'm sure you're aware, since you have Wolters' glans bouncing off your tonsils constantly, he played 24.3 mpg as a freshman. In this alternate universe where Wolters signs with the Gophers, he would be a borderline scholarship player at best, and more likely a redshirt. So who was Tubby going to take minutes away from to get Wolters the requisite 24 mpg he needed to develop at the same pace he did at SDSU? Westbrook? Please. Nolen? Haha. Hoffarber? Yes, great idea. Joseph? Since, by your own admission, Joseph is the greatest player in the Pac 12, I doubt Tubby was going to sit him to get the shoulda-redshirted player 24 mpg. In the real world where the rest of us live, Wolters would've either been redshirted or maybe given Bostick's run at best. You think he's the same player today with 9 mpg instead of 24 mpg 2 years ago? Please.

The situation was a little better for his sophomore season, given the graduations of Westbrook and Bostick, the injury to Nolen, and 420 smoking his way out of school. But Wolters (as you're well aware) played 33.2 mpg his sophomore season. There is one player, and one player only, who has received that much PT in Tubby's entire tenure at Minnesota. That was Blake Hoffarber, as a senior, who was the only upperclassman G on the entire roster after Nolen got hurt and 420 smoked his way out. So Wolters, now a sophomore, is going to get far more PT than any other non-senior player in the history of Tubby's tenure at Minnesota? Are you sure you weren't sitting in on some of 420's doping sessions?

In reality, Wolters would've probably played somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10 mpg his freshman year (assuming he didn't redshirt), and probably 18-20 mpg his sophomore year, and only by default because he would be the only non-freshman G on the roster aside from Hoffarber. Given those numbers (which are pretty aggressive if anything), that means he would've played around 300 minutes his freshman year, and around 600 minutes his sophomore year. In real life, with SDSU, he played somewhere around 1,800 minutes between his freshman and sophomore year. He would've gotten better coaching here and probably developed a little more quickly because of it, but no amount of coaching is going to remediate the disparity of 1,200 minutes over the course of two seasons. That is in essence a full season of playing 40 mpg every single game. And even if we buy into your (absurd) premise that he would be playing the same 35.7 mpg for Minnesota this season as he is for SDSU, how do you remediate that disparity? Hmm?

I know you're not willing to give Tubby any credit at all for anything ever, but at least deal in facts when discussing your boyfriend.
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Listen pal. I don't cal Tubby your daddy so stop with the names. Makes you look small. Of the list, only Nolen was a pg, He was hurt for the majority of both conference seasons. This would have allowed more 3 guard sets and for us to play a pg instead of shooting guards at the point. My "boyfriend" has many admirers not named minngg or anyone else in here. They are called NBA scouts. They are called coaches. They don't analyze how he got good, they analyze how good he is. He is ranked higher than any other guard that ever played here for Tubby by a huge margin. I know you are the genius and know more than them. I just tend to give them more credibility. So leave my boyfriend alone and go sit on your daddy's lap.
 

zambam said:
I like how Burke's success was because he destroyed Dre but Harison Barnes struggles had nothing to do with our defense. You just love to find a way to bash the players you don't like, don't you?
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This. Live by the limited sample, die by the limited sample. Unless you don't care about intellectual honesty when you argue.
 

minngg said:
Listen pal. I don't cal Tubby your daddy so stop with the names. Makes you look small. Of the list, only Nolen was a pg, He was hurt for the majority of both conference seasons. This would have allowed more 3 guard sets and for us to play a pg instead of shooting guards at the point. My "boyfriend" has many admirers not named minngg or anyone else in here. They are called NBA scouts. They are called coaches. They don't analyze how he got good, they analyze how good he is. He is ranked higher than any other guard that ever played here for Tubby by a huge margin. I know you are the genius and know more than them. I just tend to give them more credibility. So leave my boyfriend alone and go sit on your daddy's lap.
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There is a huge difference between the Big Ten, ACC, and the Summit League. Our janky (as you say) guards were still able to beat SD by a decent margin.

I'm sure you are on the NFL boards swearing by CFL players as well.
 

Wolters has turned himself into a good player, but any argument for him is based on hindsight, I mean there is no way anyone can make the argument he was good enough to get a scholly out of high school from the U and you certainly can't make the argument he was good enough to take away minutes from any of the guards who were already here to have the minutes he was getting at SDSU. Wolters is goodplayer who will get invited to some NBA camps and will make nice living overseas, but hindsight is 20/20 after all look at the guard Ware at Long Beach State two time Big West POY, I'm sure all the PAC12 schools in hindsight would like to have him on their rosters,he'd help, but by attending a midmajor he was able to blossom into a star. The only exception to that I can think of is McCallum at Detroit he was blue chip recruit, who decided to play for his dad and he will make it to the NBA.
 

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