Pros and Cons with the new playoff system

This is the future best option for all P4 conferences. It’s needs to a be a recognized auto bid however.

Ohio State finished 4th in the B1G and was handed a spot based on hypothetical. Those hypotheticals worked out.

Have to go to 16 teams to make it work. P4 conferences get top 2 from regular season in on Auto bid and 3rd and 4th play a play in game on Championship week. That is 12 spots, and then give 4 more spots at-large.
I don’t think it needs to go that far IMO. If it were up to me I’d keep it at 12. Make championship weekend just a 13th game for everyone. And have all P4 conferences play 11 conference games. Top 2 in each conference gets in auto. Other 4 are at large.

Top 2 seeds have to be conference champs. Reseed for 2nd round like the NFL does.
 

This is the future best option for all P4 conferences. It’s needs to a be a recognized auto bid however.

Ohio State finished 4th in the B1G and was handed a spot based on hypothetical. Those hypotheticals worked out.

Have to go to 16 teams to make it work. P4 conferences get top 2 from regular season in on Auto bid and 3rd and 4th play a play in game on Championship week. That is 12 spots, and then give 4 more spots at-large.

Good idea but in real life a 5th and or 6th place SEC team would get a at large bid.
 

As a Gopher fan I would love a 16 team playoff. But as a college football fan I don't believe a 4th place team in a division should have a chance to win the National Championship. Any more than 8 teams is too many.
 
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As a Gopher fan I would love a 16 team playoff. But as a college football fan I don't believe a 4th place team in a division should not have a chance to win the National Championship. Any more than 8 teams is too many.
With 5 conference champs I think 8 was right number

With 9 conference champs I’d be in at 16


I originally wanted 12 but wanted 12 with 7 conference champs when there were 6 power leagues
 

Good idea but in real life a 5th and or 6th place SEC team would get a at large bid.
That the at-large issue, it will most likely be SEC and B1G ten with all those spots.

The 9 conference champs and 7 at-Large is the way to go if you are going to do it like basketball. That will never happen and they will create a new league before that happens.

Oregon, Georgia, ASU, Clemson, Army, Jacksonville St., Ohio, Boise State, Marshall at Champs
At-Large Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Tennessee, Indiana, SMU. Same field as this year with a balanced bracket of 16.

With such large conferences and unbalanced play, the best way is to create play in games for those that don't finish high enough.

There should be a way to use results and computers to determine which conferences should get set number of auto bids after the 12th game, based on strength of schedule.

Example: Say top 10 get auto bids.

Oregon, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Ohio State, Tennessee, SMU, Indiana, Boise State.

Championship week would be byes for the above teams and you would create play-in games for the final 6 spots.
Alabama vs Syracuse
Miami vs Illinois
Ole Miss vs UNLV
South Carolina vs Missouri
ASU vs BYU
Iowa State vs Clemson

Losers still go to a Bowl Game.

** I'm always going to lean to a way for the Gophers to finally get in the playoffs.
 


That the at-large issue, it will most likely be SEC and B1G ten with all those spots.

The 9 conference champs and 7 at-Large is the way to go if you are going to do it like basketball. That will never happen and they will create a new league before that happens.

Oregon, Georgia, ASU, Clemson, Army, Jacksonville St., Ohio, Boise State, Marshall at Champs
At-Large Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Tennessee, Indiana, SMU. Same field as this year with a balanced bracket of 16.

With such large conferences and unbalanced play, the best way is to create play in games for those that don't finish high enough.

There should be a way to use results and computers to determine which conferences should get set number of auto bids after the 12th game, based on strength of schedule.

Example: Say top 10 get auto bids.

Oregon, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Ohio State, Tennessee, SMU, Indiana, Boise State.

Championship week would be byes for the above teams and you would create play-in games for the final 6 spots.
Alabama vs Syracuse
Miami vs Illinois
Ole Miss vs UNLV
South Carolina vs Missouri
ASU vs BYU
Iowa State vs Clemson

Losers still go to a Bowl Game.

** I'm always going to lean to a way for the Gophers to finally get in the playoffs.
They need an objective formula ranking or blind poll even

That is how you could have 9 autobids

Because you could say:
16 teams
Autobids for champs in the top 20/25/30 or whatever you want.
So one year you could have 4 autobids and a different year you have 7.

But, with a committee…they’d just game that.
If it was top 20 a lot of champs would magically be ranked 21 😂


I hate at large bids but they’re kind of necessary with how broke conference schedules are now.

I personally would love to leave it exactly as is. I didn’t feel it diluted the regular season. I felt no left out team got screwed (I would’ve possibly felt like army got screwed had they beaten navy)

The issues this year were the committee’s ranking not the model.
How was SMU ranked ahead of BYU is my biggest gripe. And a 2 loss team who lost to Kansas being left out being the biggest gripe means it was a good model.


In terms of the seeding, I think a way you could make people feel better about the seeding is guarantee 5 conference champs are all top 8 rather than 4 in the top 4.

That way winning your conference and being a top 5 champ gives you either a bye or a home game. Which I would love.


That would’ve been:

1) Oregon
8) Clemson 9) Ohio state

4) Penn State
5) Notre Dame 12) SMU

2) Georgia
6) Boise State 11) Indiana

3) Texas
7) Arizona state 10) Tennessee


But that still wouldn’t fix the problem that Georgia was way overranked without their QB. Ohio State should’ve been rated 3rd after Penn state lost to Oregon. BYU should’ve been in over SMU. So the real issue is the subjective rating system is kind of bad at its job
 
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But that still wouldn’t fix the problem that Georgia was way overranked without their QB. Ohio State should’ve been rated 3rd after Penn state lost to Oregon. BYU should’ve been in over SMU. So the real issue is the subjective rating system is kind of bad at its job
You can't base a ranking on a player being out. Literally no other sport would determine a playoff spot or seeding on something like that.
 

The 9 conference champs and 7 at-Large is the way to go if you are going to do it like basketball. That will never happen and they will create a new league before that happens.
Then they need to formally split. This is 100% the way it should be done with the current conferences.
 

You can't base a ranking on a player being out. Literally no other sport would determine a playoff spot or seeding on something like that.
I agree in principle
But I am just saying no re-ordering is going to fix that issue of Georgia being probably more of a 15-30th best team than top 5 with their backup QB


They’re the natural 2 seed. So that throws off the whole bracket.
 



You can't base a ranking on a player being out. Literally no other sport would determine a playoff spot or seeding on something like that.
I would be shocked if players don’t end up sitting out playoff games. So I agree, can’t seed based off who is out.
 

I would be shocked if players don’t end up sitting out playoff games. So I agree, can’t seed based off who is out.
Which is why you can try to Jerry rig the seeds all you want and it won’t create the matchups people want

Maybe you could do it by re-seeding every round like the nfl does. No bracket. But that isn’t going to happen
 


You can't base a ranking on a player being out. Literally no other sport would determine a playoff spot or seeding on something like that.
Just because no one else does it doesn't mean it's wrong.

For example, I was fine with FSU being left out last year because of the QB being injured. They would have gotten pummeled. I want to see the current best teams competing, not ones that were good prior to a major injury.
 




Or maybe a lot of people lost interest weeks ago when all but a few teams had games left? I totally forgot the game was even on on Monday. Woke up Tuesday and saw it on ESPN.com.
there's certainly something to the season going to near the end of January when NFL playoff action is starting and distracting. 3 days in a row of later nights watching football is going to dissuade the casual fan a little more from watching. Last year's CFB season ended prior to the NFL starting playoffs. Certainly something the NCAA will look at i'm sure is moving things up. Don't think they'll want to eliminate any games but seeing that big of a drop may make the broadcasters take a 2nd look at how much they're offering for contracts if it impacts their advertisers
 

Or maybe a lot of people lost interest weeks ago when all but a few teams had games left? I totally forgot the game was even on on Monday. Woke up Tuesday and saw it on ESPN.com.
Possible. It's a lot of football.
 

there's certainly something to the season going to near the end of January when NFL playoff action is starting and distracting. 3 days in a row of later nights watching football is going to dissuade the casual fan a little more from watching. Last year's CFB season ended prior to the NFL starting playoffs. Certainly something the NCAA will look at i'm sure is moving things up. Don't think they'll want to eliminate any games but seeing that big of a drop may make the broadcasters take a 2nd look at how much they're offering for contracts if it impacts their advertisers
Even EPSN themselves in the week leading up was promoting their NFL Division Round game on Saturday (Texans/Chiefs) as much or more than the CFB game.

The game looked like a blow out by Halftime, so I am sure a lot of viewed tuned out in the 2nd half.
 

Even EPSN themselves in the week leading up was promoting their NFL Division Round game on Saturday (Texans/Chiefs) as much or more than the CFB game.

The game looked like a blow out by Halftime, so I am sure a lot of viewed tuned out in the 2nd half.
ESPN is pretty dumb for paying that much for a product.
Saying that the product sucks during their own production of the round of 12
Then not hyping the product.
Then none of the brands they hype make the game.



I’m sure the people running ESPN know more than me.
But if I owned the playoff that was going to be at least 7-8 Non-SEC schools I wouldn’t have de-legitimized everyone in the country
 
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there's certainly something to the season going to near the end of January when NFL playoff action is starting and distracting. 3 days in a row of later nights watching football is going to dissuade the casual fan a little more from watching. Last year's CFB season ended prior to the NFL starting playoffs. Certainly something the NCAA will look at i'm sure is moving things up. Don't think they'll want to eliminate any games but seeing that big of a drop may make the broadcasters take a 2nd look at how much they're offering for contracts if it impacts their advertisers
Yeah, good point on the playoffs and 3 night games in a row. Even if you're a huge fan of all things football, it'd be like eating pizza for dinner 3 nights in a row. First night is delicious, but by the third, you really want something else. And it's about time to get to whatever chore you put off over the weekend.

During the regular season, I'm much more of a college fan and will watch that over NFL. But when it comes to the playoffs, the NFL is MUCH, MUCH more appealing to me. The only way I'll ever watch a CFP game is if the Gophers are in the game. But I'll watch any NFL playoff game.
 


Just because no one else does it doesn't mean it's wrong.

For example, I was fine with FSU being left out last year because of the QB being injured. They would have gotten pummeled. I want to see the current best teams competing, not ones that were good prior to a major injury.
Then it's completely subjective. It should be about earning it as a team through a whole season. I want deserving teams in far more than hypothetical good games for TV purposes. The NFL wouldn't cut the Chiefs from the playoffs if Mahomes was injured, or Buffalo if Josh Allen breaks his leg. That's not how any of this should work.
 

Then it's completely subjective. It should be about earning it as a team through a whole season. I want deserving teams in far more than hypothetical good games for TV purposes. The NFL wouldn't cut the Chiefs from the playoffs if Mahomes was injured, or Buffalo if Josh Allen breaks his leg. That's not how any of this should work.
College football had been subjective for decades and did just fine. I'm ok with that. You aren't. Neither of us are wrong.

As for the NFL, part of the issue there is that they let in almost half the teams anyways, so even if Mahomes broke his leg, whatever team they could replace the Chiefs with will most likely be the equivalent of the Chiefs without Mahomes.
 

This is the future best option for all P4 conferences. It’s needs to a be a recognized auto bid however.

Ohio State finished 4th in the B1G and was handed a spot based on hypothetical. Those hypotheticals worked out.

Have to go to 16 teams to make it work. P4 conferences get top 2 from regular season in on Auto bid and 3rd and 4th play a play in game on Championship week. That is 12 spots, and then give 4 more spots at-large.
Zero reason to have any play in games with a 16 team bracket. Seed based on final cfp rankings after conference championship games are completed.
 

Zero reason to have any play in games with a 16 team bracket. Seed based on final cfp rankings after conference championship games are completed.
16 basically deems the conference championship games meaningless. All the teams from the games are likely getting in. They could become playoff games for the 3-4th place teams from regular season.
 
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16 basically deems the conference championship games meaningless. All the teams form the games are likely getting it. They could become playoff games for the 3-4th place teams from regular season.
They already are meaningless for the SEC and B1G, even the ACC much of the time, and probably the big12 sometimes too.
 

16 basically deems the conference championship games meaningless. All the teams form the games are likely getting it. They could become playoff games for the 3-4th place teams from regular season.
Yes and no, seeding could change so there definitely could be something at stake.
 

Yes and no, seeding could change so there definitely could be something at stake.
Seeding is broke if you get to the level of strength of schedule and not enough H2H matchups to know proper seeding. Unbalanced regular season schedules will still lead to issues in seeding.

Penn State was in the B1G title game based on tiebreakers with a loss to tOSU and not playing Indiana. They lost and were still seeded ahead of Indiana and tOSU in the bracket. The conference championship was meaningless in hindsight and actually got Penn State a better path to the final four because they were seeded over tOSU when both had 2 losses to Oregon and tOSU beat PSU H2H.

The reward would be to have the top 2 auto into the tournament and make other teams play, play-in games to get in to fill the 16 teams.
 
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The reward would be to have the top 2 auto into the tournament and make other teams play, play-in games to get in to fill the 16 teams.
If you have play-in games to get to 16, you're kinda just starting with a 32 team playoff at that point, aren't you?
 

Seeding is broke if you get to the level of strength of schedule and not enough H2H matchups to know proper seeding. Unbalanced regular season schedules will still lead to issues in seeding.

Penn State was in the B1G title game based on tiebreakers with a loss to tOSU and not playing Indiana. They lost and were still seeded ahead of Indiana and tOSU in the bracket. The conference championship was meaningless in hindsight and actually got Penn State a better path to the final four because they were seeded over tOSU when both had 2 losses to Oregon and tOSU beat PSU H2H.

The reward would be to have the top 2 auto into the tournament and make other teams play, play-in games to get in to fill the 16 teams.
The reward for those top two teams is to play the 16th and 15th ranked teams in first round. Again, zero reason for bye in a 16-team bracket. Oregon would have played Clemson, Georgia would have played South Carolina.
 

Seeding is broke if you get to the level of strength of schedule and not enough H2H matchups to know proper seeding. Unbalanced regular season schedules will still lead to issues in seeding.

Penn State was in the B1G title game based on tiebreakers with a loss to tOSU and not playing Indiana. They lost and were still seeded ahead of Indiana and tOSU in the bracket. The conference championship was meaningless in hindsight and actually got Penn State a better path to the final four because they were seeded over tOSU when both had 2 losses to Oregon and tOSU beat PSU H2H.

The reward would be to have the top 2 auto into the tournament and make other teams play, play-in games to get in to fill the 16 teams.
Oregon got a bye by winning the game so it was still meaningful.
 




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