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The reseeding won’t help when the seeding is wrong

The real issue is Ohio State should’ve been seeded over Penn state. Penn state had a better record due to softer schedule but ended up with same number of losses once they played Oregon.
Ohio state should’ve have been the 6
Penn state should have been the 8

If you’re saying Penn state should be seeded higher because they were 11-1…then Indiana should also have been seeded higher at 11-1

This would have made Indiana the 8 and Ohio state the 10
Which also would’ve solved the issue




Inconsistent logic caused the seeding issues. So reseeding won’t help
My proposed version of Re-seeding after the Round of 12 would have been based on the Final Overall CFP Rankings. Even with giving Arizona St & Boise St Byes, they didn't also have to be the #3 & 4 seeds. I would have gone:

BASED ON CFP Rankings
#1 Oregon vs #12 Arizona St / Rose Bowl
#2 Georgia vs #9 Boise St / Sugar Bowl
#3 Texas vs #6 Ohio St / Peach Bowl
#4 Penn St vs #5 Notre Dame / Fiesta Bowl
 

This is where the ejection part is problematic. There didn't seem to be intent to injure but there 100% should have been a penalty. Call it unnecessary roughness or something but to have no penalty of any kind after a hit like that is just a bad look for everyone involved.
I mean it’s exactly what hockey did in how the legislate contact to the head. Can still be a foul without ejection. He’s not launching and his head is up. It’s a 15 yard for contact to the head personal foul, stays in the game, onward we go.
 

The only way it wasn’t targeting is if he wasn’t defenseless
There is a whole bunch of defenseless things but the applicable one;

A player attempting to catch a forward or backward pass, or a player who has completed the catch but hasn’t had ample time to protect themselves or hasn’t clearly become the ball carrier yet



So when he turns up field…there is an argument to be made he was no longer defenseless. I disagree with that argument but that’s the way it isn’t targeting.


If you say he isn’t defenseless…I disagree with you….but if he isn’t defenseless that isn’t targeting
I think I agree. I’m curious if the pass being tipped affects the WR being considered defenseless. But I think if it did that would have come out in a statement or by talking heads by now.
 

My proposed version of Re-seeding after the Round of 12 would have been based on the Final Overall CFP Rankings. Even with giving Arizona St & Boise St Byes, they didn't also have to be the #3 & 4 seeds. I would have gone:

BASED ON CFP Rankings
#1 Oregon vs #12 Arizona St / Rose Bowl
#2 Georgia vs #9 Boise St / Sugar Bowl
#3 Texas vs #6 Ohio St / Peach Bowl
#4 Penn St vs #5 Notre Dame / Fiesta Bowl
If you’re doing this, you’re entirely messing with the initial games, home sites, etc. I think it gets hard with the initial if you’re saying asu is the 12 in that now they’re locked for a second round game with Oregon from the jump. I’d rather you reseed from those surviving.

The byes are fine, they just did a shit (And I’d guess intentional) job of seeding the teams. ND didn’t win a conference title either, questionable good wins, has a worse loss than Indiana or either of OSUs.

If you want to argue well OSU lost twice, so did Texas who was your 5 so why aren’t they lower? Well we don’t want to punish for CC game losses, well they lost by 15 to GA at home and have a best win that’s… Michigan? Versus PSU who has a better win in Illinois and the same dominant road win vs a P5 in WVU. It’s just the inconsistent logic and using the mythical eye test when you want that leads to it all.

That said, I don’t think it makes a lick of difference to Oregon at the end of the day if they lose in the quarters or the finals, but having to shake the rust and then play an OSU team that looked like they got a warmup game for how badly they boat raced Tennessee is a weird sitch. Personally I’d rather the CCs play the quarterfinal game on home field for their true reward of winning. Can’t imagine the lather of an underdog smaller conference on campus game. Boise and Tempe would’ve been nutty and showcased far better what CFB historically has been about. Clearly the fans didn’t travel all that well anyway based on the ticket prices for those games other than for OSU-Oregon.
 

I think I agree. I’m curious if the pass being tipped affects the WR being considered defenseless. But I think if it did that would have come out in a statement or by talking heads by now.
It doesn’t. The same as if it’s tipped you couldn’t go in and shoulder him to the head ten seconds before the ball though you could shove him to the ground
 


I mean it’s exactly what hockey did in how the legislate contact to the head. Can still be a foul without ejection. He’s not launching and his head is up. It’s a 15 yard for contact to the head personal foul, stays in the game, onward we go.
That feels like a good solution for a situation like this. You have a problem when nobody understands the rule and there is so much grey area in how it is or is not enforced.

Most people without a rooting interest in the game feel that should have been targeting but apparently the replay booth didn't agree.

Texas player didn't deserve to get ejected because it was not a dirty play but something has to get called for a direct head shot like that.
 

If you’re doing this, you’re entirely messing with the initial games, home sites, etc. I think it gets hard with the initial if you’re saying asu is the 12 in that now they’re locked for a second round game with Oregon from the jump. I’d rather you reseed from those surviving.
No, it wouldn't have messed up the Opening Round at all. Under my proposal, they Reseeding would have happened AFTER the Opening Round of 12.

That Round would have happened exactly how it was played.

Additionally it would not have locked Arizona St into a Quarterfinal game with Oregon. Had Clemson beat Texas (lowest Ranked Team at #16), they would have been the ones to play #1 Oregon, in the Rose Bowl.
 

No, it wouldn't have messed up the Opening Round at all. Under my proposal, they Reseeding would have happened AFTER the Opening Round of 12.

That Round would have happened exactly how it was played.

Additionally it would not have locked Arizona St into a Quarterfinal game with Oregon. Had Clemson beat Texas (lowest Ranked Team at #16), they would have been the ones to play #1 Oregon, in the Rose Bowl.
Sorry yes forgot Clemson was so low. Most years it will however lock in your G5 champ to play first round and your 4th cc to be there given that lowest seed is almost never going to win as they’re outmatched (this is inherently true with the lowest cc versus the 4 with how the current conferences are set up and bias towards the B12 and ACC now).

Winning your conf is not arbitrary. They should still get byes and the seeds lock with seeds dictating matchups, not bracket. Only part that sucks for Oregon is they were off for a month before walking out there, which is way way way too long for really any of these teams to sit and then enter a bracket style tournament. No reason it can’t start with the rest of the bowls rather than be pushed back
 

Sorry yes forgot Clemson was so low. Most years it will however lock in your G5 champ to play first round and your 4th cc to be there given that lowest seed is almost never going to win as they’re outmatched (this is inherently true with the lowest cc versus the 4 with how the current conferences are set up and bias towards the B12 and ACC now).

Winning your conf is not arbitrary. They should still get byes and the seeds lock with seeds dictating matchups, not bracket.
The Top 4 Conference Champions would still get Byes.

Locking in the Seeds potentially punishes the #1 & 2 seeds, as demonstrated this year. I see no reason why it has to be so rigid.
 



The Top 4 Conference Champions would still get Byes.

Locking in the Seeds potentially punishes the #1 & 2 seeds, as demonstrated this year. I see no reason why it has to be so rigid.
Because why, based on zero comparative data, would you drop the 4 seed down further? ASU just went toe to toe with Texas while being picked to get the doors blown off. We have very little cross conference data to rank those teams against each other versus the winners of conferences are pretty set. Reacting to one game with how the CFP has been historically doesn’t make sense given the avg point differential is a 3 score game. Oregon doesn’t deserve any special protection any more than the rest of them given it’s not like they played each other in the regular season to decide their heirarchy and the cfp rankings are clearly biased. Either you get rid of the autobids and byes or you keep them locked to me.

For example, let’s say Miami Ohio goes undefeated but because they’re Miami Ohio ends up ranked 13th. OSU, Bama, Clemson, and whatever B12 teams wins their conference. So Miami no only has to play a first round game, but then also has to play the 1 seed next round? What if that CC from the SEC lost 3 times but because it’s the SEC so we ranked them higher. The problem is we have inherent bias on the strength of conferences and overrating teams (see Alabama, South Carolina) relative to the weaker conferences. So deciding to punish them based on next to no data seems a farce at best
 

Because why, based on zero comparative data, would you drop the 4 seed down further? ASU just went toe to toe with Texas while being picked to get the doors blown off. We have very little cross conference data to rank those teams against each other versus the winners of conferences are pretty set. Reacting to one game with how the CFP has been historically doesn’t make sense given the avg point differential is a 3 score game. Oregon doesn’t deserve any special protection any more than the rest of them given it’s not like they played each other in the regular season to decide their heirarchy and the cfp rankings are clearly biased. Either you get rid of the autobids and byes or you keep them locked to me.

For example, let’s say Miami Ohio goes undefeated but because they’re Miami Ohio ends up ranked 13th. OSU, Bama, Clemson, and whatever B12 teams wins their conference. So Miami no only has to play a first round game, but then also has to play the 1 seed next round? What if that CC from the SEC lost 3 times but because it’s the SEC so we ranked them higher. The problem is we have inherent bias on the strength of conferences and overrating teams (see Alabama, South Carolina) relative to the weaker conferences. So deciding to punish them based on next to no data seems a farce at best
I respect your opinion, but agree to disagree.
 

I respect your opinion, but agree to disagree.
Would prefer the whole thing if I got to seed them

And the conference champs were guaranteed 5 of the top 8 seeds instead of 4 of the top 4

Plus agreement to avoid rematches until semifinals if possible

1) Oregon
8) Clemson vs 9) Indiana

4) notre dame
5) Texas vs 12) SMU

3) georgia
6) Boise vs 10) Penn state

2) Ohio state
7) Arizona state vs 11) Tennessee


Georgia should be the 2 with 3 wins vs field but push them to 3 to avoid second round rematches

Penn state @ Boise
Tennessee @ ASU
Indiana @ Clemson would be really appealing round of 12 games.


If I had to take SMU I put them 12 but would prefer BYU or Miami to them. Maybe Iowa state but think Miami better than ISU if QB plays whole game.


Other option that is good is 16 with auto bids for all 9 conferences:

1) Oregon
16) Jacksonville State

8) Indiana
9) Boise state

4) penn state
13) army

5) Notre Dame
12) Clemson

6) Ohio State
11) Arizona state

3) Texas
14) Ohio

7) Tennessee
10) SMU

2) Georgia
15) Marshall

With this setup I again have issues with SMU being over Miami and BYU
 
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I think I agree. I’m curious if the pass being tipped affects the WR being considered defenseless. But I think if it did that would have come out in a statement or by talking heads by now.
Tipped pass just means you can't have pass interference. You can still have targeting.
 



I'm not a fan of making the #1 Seed play a team they already beat in the regular season/same conference, right off the bat (Oregon's first game).

Ideally, they should Re-Seed after the Opening Round, but I get that makes logistics a lot harder for planning the NYE/NYD Quarters.
If they reseeded, Oregon would have played... Ohio State.

It's a bracket. That's how it works. It happens every year in the NCAA tournament. The NFL gives home games to undeserving teams for winning bad divisions. You need to win all the games regardless.

For some reason, everyone seems to want the CFP to be some perfect utopia of matchups and classic games, even though it has never been like that in any tournament in any sport.

Ohio State played like complete ass against Michigan. That's why they were ranked where they were. Blame them.
 

If they reseeded, Oregon would have played... Ohio State.

It's a bracket. That's how it works. It happens every year in the NCAA tournament. The NFL gives home games to undeserving teams for winning bad divisions. You need to win all the games regardless.

For some reason, everyone seems to want the CFP to be some perfect utopia of matchups and classic games, even though it has never been like that in any tournament in any sport.

Ohio State played like complete ass against Michigan. That's why they were ranked where they were. Blame them.
They would’ve played asu who was the 12 (by the actual CFP rankings) and lowest remaining seed is what they’re saying
 

If they reseeded, Oregon would have played... Ohio State.

It's a bracket. That's how it works. It happens every year in the NCAA tournament. The NFL gives home games to undeserving teams for winning bad divisions. You need to win all the games regardless.

For some reason, everyone seems to want the CFP to be some perfect utopia of matchups and classic games, even though it has never been like that in any tournament in any sport.

Ohio State played like complete ass against Michigan. That's why they were ranked where they were. Blame them.
REPEATING Post #1,171

My proposed version of Re-seeding after the Round of 12 would have been based on the Final Overall CFP Rankings. Even with giving Arizona St & Boise St Byes, they didn't also have to be the #3 & 4 seeds. I would have gone:

BASED ON CFP Rankings
#1 Oregon vs #12 Arizona St / Rose Bowl
#2 Georgia vs #9 Boise St / Sugar Bowl
#3 Texas vs #6 Ohio St / Peach Bowl
#4 Penn St vs #5 Notre Dame / Fiesta Bowl
 

Would prefer the whole thing if I got to seed them

And the conference champs were guaranteed 5 of the top 8 seeds instead of 4 of the top 4

Plus agreement to avoid rematches until semifinals if possible

1) Oregon
8) Clemson vs 9) Indiana

4) notre dame
5) Texas vs 12) SMU

3) georgia
6) Boise vs 10) Penn state

2) Ohio state
7) Arizona state vs 11) Tennessee


Georgia should be the 2 with 3 wins vs field but push them to 3 to avoid second round rematches

Penn state @ Boise
Tennessee @ ASU
Indiana @ Clemson would be really appealing round of 12 games.


If I had to take SMU I put them 12 but would prefer BYU or Miami to them. Maybe Iowa state but think Miami better than ISU if QB plays whole game.


Other option that is good is 16 with auto bids for all 9 conferences:

1) Oregon
16) Jacksonville State

8) Indiana
9) Boise state

4) penn state
13) army

5) Notre Dame
12) Clemson

6) Ohio State
11) Arizona state

3) Texas
14) Ohio

7) Tennessee
10) SMU

2) Georgia
15) Marshall

With this setup I again have issues with SMU being over Miami and BYU

So are many options that would be more appealing than what is now. Glad we got to 12 and I'd like to see more elimination games on Conference Championship weekend. Someone always gets screwed in the avoiding re-matches scenario, auto bids, and not seeding properly.

8 or 16 straight seeded is probably the best way to go.

Since it can't change number wise until 2026, I'd like to just remove the auto seeding:
  • Seed 1-12 with no Auto byes for conferences and play it out.
  1. Oregon
  2. Georgia
  3. Texas
  4. Penn State
  5. Notre Dame
  6. tOSU
  7. Tennessee
  8. Indiana
  9. Boise
  10. SMU
  11. ASU
  12. Clemson

Boise at Indiana to play Oregon (Rose)
SMU at Tennessee to play Georgia (Peach)
ASU at tOSU to play Texas (Fiesta)
Clemson at Notre Dame to play Penn State (Sugar)
 

If they reseeded, Oregon would have played... Ohio State.

It's a bracket. That's how it works. It happens every year in the NCAA tournament. The NFL gives home games to undeserving teams for winning bad divisions. You need to win all the games regardless.
Yes, someone will have to go 4-0 (3-0 with a bye) to win the championship.
For some reason, everyone seems to want the CFP to be some perfect utopia of matchups and classic games, even though it has never been like that in any tournament in any sport.

Ohio State played like complete ass against Michigan. That's why they were ranked where they were. Blame them.
Agree. Because how a team plays in a specific game, varies greatly from game to game, and week to week, it is tough to accurately base seeds on what happened during the regular season. If a team "plays like a complete ass" they still might be able to win a game vs. a weaker opponent, and advance to play a great game the next week. IMHO there a many moving parts to winning a national championship. The champion must be good enough to win 3 or 4 games in a row, possibly when likely/probably playing at least one sub-par game along the way, while maybe (luckily) playing a weaker opponent in that game, to be champion. I can live with the current system.
 

Tipped pass just means you can't have pass interference. You can still have targeting.
And defensive holding.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those post-flag discussions talk about that with a tipped ball.

“Was it PI? Well, there was contact. OK let’s go with holding, we don’t have to wave that off with the tipped ball.”
 

Other option that is good is 16 with auto bids for all 9 conferences:

1) Oregon
16) Jacksonville State

8) Indiana
9) Boise state

4) penn state
13) army

5) Notre Dame
12) Clemson

6) Ohio State
11) Arizona state

3) Texas
14) Ohio

7) Tennessee
10) SMU

2) Georgia
15) Marshall

With this setup I again have issues with SMU being over Miami and BYU
This is basically what I've been advocating for as well.
The whole system is still trying to pander to long-gone tradition and teams that think they deserve to be considered because of their name and history. If you win an FBS conference, you should get into the FBS playoffs. Period. This is how every other level works.
 






They’re getting waxed by the best team in the tournament, one that’s absolutely loaded with talent and now playing to that potential. The #1 overall seed shouldn’t draw that in the quarters.
Well if Ohio State had taken care of business vs Michigan. This beat down would have happened in Indy and the Buckeyes would be the one seed and Oregon would probably have been fifth. Ultimately they were going to have to be at OSU again at some point losing by 20 plus doesn't really give them a pit to piss in about it.
 

And defensive holding.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those post-flag discussions talk about that with a tipped ball.

“Was it PI? Well, there was contact. OK let’s go with holding, we don’t have to wave that off with the tipped ball.”
It's more of "Are you 100% sure the contact happened before the ball was released.?"
 

The reseeding won’t help when the seeding is wrong

The real issue is Ohio State should’ve been seeded over Penn state. Penn state had a better record due to softer schedule but ended up with same number of losses once they played Oregon.
Ohio state should’ve have been the 6
Penn state should have been the 8

If you’re saying Penn state should be seeded higher because they were 11-1…then Indiana should also have been seeded higher at 11-1

This would have made Indiana the 8 and Ohio state the 10
Which also would’ve solved the issue




Inconsistent logic caused the seeding issues. So reseeding won’t help
Goes back to the CCG. Committee clearly wasn't going to punish for playing an extra game and losing. Although in this case Ohio State has legit beef since they went to Penn State and won. Wonder if eventually though expand to 16 and do away with CCG's now that there's a playoff they're kinda pointless
 

Goes back to the CCG. Committee clearly wasn't going to punish for playing an extra game and losing. Although in this case Ohio State has legit beef since they went to Penn State and won. Wonder if eventually though expand to 16 and do away with CCG's now that there's a playoff they're kinda pointless
They shouldn’t have punished for the CCG
They were wrong before it, they should have corrected
 





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