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scools12 said:
Really? This is what you're going with?
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Uhhhh, duh? The shot clock violation would have given the Gophers the ball out of bounds with 4.1 seconds left and a tie game. About a 95+% chance that they either win or go to overtime, but barring some offensive foul call or crazy turnover, they wouldn't have lost in regulation.
 

Ron Johnson Super Fan said:
Originally Posted by cncmin

The Gophers' offensive woes are largely a result of a failure to go hard on cuts, or to set screens with authority. Watch how softly they perform "plays" on the offensive end of the court. This includes the dreaded inbounds passes, in which inevitably at least three or all four of the receivers basically walk on their cuts.
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That really sums up the problem with Tubby's teams at Minnesota. I don't know if he still brags about how he much more practice time he spends on defense than offense but perhaps he should rethink that stance.
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Agree completely.
 

afurry91 said:
Meanwhile Bo will finish top 4 in the Big Ten again and we are going to struggle to make the tournament.
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Since I assume most of this is based on the last 4 games and disregards the Gophers' and Badgers' respective 15-1 and 12-4 records that preceded them, it would be more accurate to say we will finish dead last in the Big Ten, and Wisconsin will be middle of the pack, as we are 0-4 and Wisconsin is 2-2.
 

lakesgopher said:
Would rather Ingram started instead of ee but a lot of season left. I'm still thinking they get their act together at the right time
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I like this post because it has no mention of firing the head coach or future NIT appearances.
 

A Wisconsin friend is claiming it's the red light above the rim that matters. Can anyone go back and look to see if it ever came on? I don't remember any red light or horn but I could be wrong.
 


cncmin said:
Uhhhh, duh? The shot clock violation would have given the Gophers the ball out of bounds with 4.1 seconds left and a tie game. About a 95+% chance that they either win or go to overtime, but barring some offensive foul call or crazy turnover, they wouldn't have lost in regulation.
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Uhhh, duh? They didn't lose because of the refs. They lost because they cracked down the stretch of the game. They lost because 3 of the startes shot a combined 9% from the field.

How some people can't grasp the reality of the situation is laughable.
 

GophersInIowa said:
A Wisconsin friend is claiming it's the red light above the rim that matters. Can anyone go back and look to see if it ever came on? I don't remember any red light or horn but I could be wrong.
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I thought the red light is the last thing they look at.
 

scools12 said:
Uhhh, duh? They didn't lose because of the refs. They lost because they cracked down the stretch of the game. They lost because 3 of the startes shot a combined 9% from the field.

How some people can't grasp the reality of the situation is laughable.
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So, if the call would have been correct we still would have lost due to earlier in the game? That is a lame way to put it. We should have had the ball with time on the clock and a tie game.
 

scools12 said:
Uhhh, duh? They didn't lose because of the refs. They lost because they cracked down the stretch of the game. They lost because 3 of the startes shot a combined 9% from the field.

How some people can't grasp the reality of the situation is laughable.
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No one claimed that the Gophers played well. Neither team played well. But grinding out a win on the road at wisconsin is never something to be embarrassed about. If the call goes the other way, we very well may have won.
 



Make a free throw , go to over time. Thats all that needs to be said. The Gophs can lay this on the refs, or Tubby, or Santa Claus but THEY NEED TO MAKE A STINKING FREE THROW ! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ! Same story as with Northwestern, just make your free throws !
 

GophersInIowa said:
No one claimed that the Gophers played well. Neither team played well. But grinding out a win on the road at wisconsin is never something to be embarrassed about. If the call goes the other way, we very well may have won.
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Didn't say the loss was embarrassing. Said they didn't lose because of the refs as another poster claimed.
 


cncmin said:
Uhhhh, duh? The shot clock violation would have given the Gophers the ball out of bounds with 4.1 seconds left and a tie game. About a 95+% chance that they either win or go to overtime, but barring some offensive foul call or crazy turnover, they wouldn't have lost in regulation.
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They can't review unless it is the last shot of the game, like MSU at Wisconsin last year when Ryan Evans hit a 3 to tie. It was waved off because there was no time left on the clock. Vanderbilt lost to UK this year. Similar circumstances. Noel made a shot after a shot clock violation with under 20 seconds left. They could not review it because it was not the last shot of the game. Vanderbilt ended up losing by 2.
 



Really disappointed that the Gophers could not dictate tempo at all today. It's really frustrating to me to see the Gophers always play at whatever pace the other team wants to play at. I have little doubt they win the game today if it's played in the 60's instead of the low 40's. That said, they had at least 3 opportunities to push a 2 point lead to 4 and never did it.

Some things that stood out to me:

Gophers up 19-11 in the first half and Trevor misses an EASY layup, Badgers go down and get a jumper from Ryan Evans who's been struggling. One of the next possessions, Austin Hollins can't finish a nice drive to the hoop and then 40% free throw shooter Evans knocks down two free throws. Throw in a 3 by Dekker and the Badgers erased a significant lead based largely on some unlikely scoring from Evans and failures to convert easy looks by the Gophers.

The start to the second half was an embarrassment to basketball as the referees called something like 5 ticky tack (at best) fouls on the Gophers over the span of two possessions. A lot of these fouls were hand checks away from the basket. I felt like several Gophers made strong drives to the basket and deserved a whistle and didn't get it.

Gophers failure to control defensive boards in the second half hurt them, but there was at least one occasion when the ball was lost out of bounds where a Badger player clearly committed a foul that caused our rebounder to lose the ball.

Impressed with the Jackson kid hitting a lot of big shots, often late in the shot clock.

Hated seeing the Gophers leave shooters to help in the post and wish we just played this team straight up. The open looks from 3 hurt us, the inside game wasn't going to.

I know it was a tough spot, but couldn't this have been Andre Ingram's moment? Go to the line and knock down a couple and breathe some life in to a season that's slipping away?

If the refs swallow their whistles at the end, does Mbakwe still make that turnaround? Would have loved the Gophers chances in OT
 

EG#9 said:
Really disappointed that the Gophers could not dictate tempo at all today. It's really frustrating to me to see the Gophers always play at whatever pace the other team wants to play at. I have little doubt they win the game today if it's played in the 60's instead of the low 40's. That said, they had at least 3 opportunities to push a 2 point lead to 4 and never did it.

Some things that stood out to me:

Gophers up 19-11 in the first half and Trevor misses an EASY layup, Badgers go down and get a jumper from Ryan Evans who's been struggling. One of the next possessions, Austin Hollins can't finish a nice drive to the hoop and then 40% free throw shooter Evans knocks down two free throws. Throw in a 3 by Dekker and the Badgers erased a significant lead based largely on some unlikely scoring from Evans and failures to convert easy looks by the Gophers.

The start to the second half was an embarrassment to basketball as the referees called something like 5 ticky tack (at best) fouls on the Gophers over the span of two possessions. A lot of these fouls were hand checks away from the basket. I felt like several Gophers made strong drives to the basket and deserved a whistle and didn't get it.

Gophers failure to control defensive boards in the second half hurt them, but there was at least one occasion when the ball was lost out of bounds where a Badger player clearly committed a foul that caused our rebounder to lose the ball.

Impressed with the Jackson kid hitting a lot of big shots, often late in the shot clock.

Hated seeing the Gophers leave shooters to help in the post and wish we just played this team straight up. The open looks from 3 hurt us, the inside game wasn't going to.

I know it was a tough spot, but couldn't this have been Andre Ingram's moment? Go to the line and knock down a couple and breathe some life in to a season that's slipping away?

If the refs swallow their whistles at the end, does Mbakwe still make that turnaround? Would have loved the Gophers chances in OT
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Nice observations. I think the Gophers lack the killer instincts....Same thing in the NW game with the Gophers up 27-19, Trev missed 1 and 1's...This team just doesn't have what it takes to win close games in the Big Ten. Not tough or smart enough. I'm done losing sleep over it. Its just not going to happen.
 

Did anyone else feel like Tubby "iced his own shooting" but subbing EE in after Rodney made the first shot??? There were about 4 minutes while the refs were sorting things out for Tubby to figure out EE should be in there in for rebounding. Instead he does it AFTER Rodney makes the first FT. Any rhythm Rodney had (which I know isn't much) was gone!
 

They'd surely shoot better if they had a brand new practice facility. ;)
Oh wait, maybe they oughta be practicing their shooting in the gym where the games are played!
 

Once again Tubby is out coached by Bo Ryan.. On paper, it would appear that Tubby has more talent, however, Bo contiues to win. Maybe it is time for Tubby to retire because he surely can't coach. This is now four in a row and the bleeding has yet to stop. This team does underachieve and they do depress me, greatly.
 

It was grinding game for both and yes that shot should have been taken back. But the gophers should not have let it come down to that, Gophers are stacked and should have beat Bucky by 10 regardless of the kohl. I, like most fans on here are wondering about the remainder of the season but we can still win 10 games and get a decent seed in the tourney. In regards to tubby s head, I have always felt he needed to go. Lets just continue to cheer and hope for the best in this season! Also, hope we get Vaughn (never thought jones would come here) and Travis. Be easy on me, I know a lot of you don't think I am a true gopher fan. However, I am and truly would rather have seen U of M win because they have a better chance in the tourney minus the coach.
 




samloupete said:
Once again Tubby is out coached by Bo Ryan.. On paper, it would appear that Tubby has more talent, however, Bo contiues to win. Maybe it is time for Tubby to retire because he surely can't coach. This is now four in a row and the bleeding has yet to stop. This team does underachieve and they do depress me, greatly.
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I would say both teams played pretty crappy. In what ways did Bo Ryan make great decisions as a coach compared to Tubby?
 

Moses87 said:
Nice observations. I think the Gophers lack the killer instincts....Same thing in the NW game with the Gophers up 27-19, Trev missed 1 and 1's...This team just doesn't have what it takes to win close games in the Big Ten. Not tough or smart enough. I'm done losing sleep over it. Its just not going to happen.
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+2.

wisky hit the big shots down the stretch and we did not.
we missed several FT but what killed us was those two shot clock violations in the final few minutes.. EVERYONE DEFERRED TO ANDRE.
Coleman leaving a 3-point shooter to double down on the post was also a killer.
they got a lot of big shots from nobodies..
 

Moses87 said:
You would think he would make a slight adjustment after the first one clanged in off the back iron...instead he shoots it even further. Rodney has a low Basketball IQ...I wish Tubby had called a timeout to tell him "Okay Rodney, that first one hit the back iron and you got lucky it went it...now take a little off the 2nd one..." - Clearly Rodney couldn't do the math himself.
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dude lighten up.. low BB IQ because he missed a FT at Kohl? wow.
 

bga1 said:
Sorry boys but you can't complain about this one. We didn't make the big shots at the end and they did but we played well, it was well coached. If you bring it to the last possession in Kohl you have probably played well. The unforgiveable loss is Northwestern. We will have to fight our way forward as an unranked team now. I hope Trevor's wrist isn't broken.
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+1
 

EG#9 said:
Really disappointed that the Gophers could not dictate tempo at all today. It's really frustrating to me to see the Gophers always play at whatever pace the other team wants to play at. I have little doubt they win the game today if it's played in the 60's instead of the low 40's. That said, they had at least 3 opportunities to push a 2 point lead to 4 and never did it.

Some things that stood out to me:

Gophers up 19-11 in the first half and Trevor misses an EASY layup, Badgers go down and get a jumper from Ryan Evans who's been struggling. One of the next possessions, Austin Hollins can't finish a nice drive to the hoop and then 40% free throw shooter Evans knocks down two free throws. Throw in a 3 by Dekker and the Badgers erased a significant lead based largely on some unlikely scoring from Evans and failures to convert easy looks by the Gophers.

The start to the second half was an embarrassment to basketball as the referees called something like 5 ticky tack (at best) fouls on the Gophers over the span of two possessions. A lot of these fouls were hand checks away from the basket. I felt like several Gophers made strong drives to the basket and deserved a whistle and didn't get it.

Gophers failure to control defensive boards in the second half hurt them, but there was at least one occasion when the ball was lost out of bounds where a Badger player clearly committed a foul that caused our rebounder to lose the ball.

Impressed with the Jackson kid hitting a lot of big shots, often late in the shot clock.

Hated seeing the Gophers leave shooters to help in the post and wish we just played this team straight up. The open looks from 3 hurt us, the inside game wasn't going to.

I know it was a tough spot, but couldn't this have been Andre Ingram's moment? Go to the line and knock down a couple and breathe some life in to a season that's slipping away?

If the refs swallow their whistles at the end, does Mbakwe still make that turnaround? Would have loved the Gophers chances in OT
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Izzo doubled the post in the first half against the Badgers. He gave up 6 made 3's. He adjusted at the half and stopped doubling the post, they only had 2, 3's in the second half. Also if you want to speed Wisconsin up, you have to either press them into turnovers like Florida did. Or push the ball and take the first open shot before their D sets up like Iowa does against them. Gophers blew a golden opportunity to keep Badgers from milking the clock when they were up 19-11. During that time Badgers took 2 shots with around 24 seconds left on the shot clock, missed both and got rebounds to get second chances to score. While they were behind they also shot with 13-17 seconds left on the shot clock. Once they got it to 2 points, then took the lead, it's hold the ball for 32 seconds before they attempt a shot.
 

I know NW is a worse loss, but this one depresses me more. I HATE Wisconsin with a passion.

In fact, if I could only win two games in a year, they would both be against Wisconsin.

We have a far more talented team this year. I am so frustrated that over half our starting lineup didn't even bother to show up this afternoon.

I love our Gophers and will be back on board with them 100% after I cool down tomorrow, but this one REALLY sucks!!!
 

I hate that we never use the full court trap anymore, especially in games like this. The token full court man to man does nothing, especially against a team that is going to hold it for 35 seconds anyway.
 

WilliamsArenaGuy said:
I hate that we never use the full court trap anymore, especially in games like this. The token full court man to man does nothing, especially against a team that is going to hold it for 35 seconds anyway.
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Spot on. We used to give UW fits with Paul Carter/DJ and the full court trap. I would think with guys like Trevor, Rodney and Austin flying around with their length and UW not having their starting PG this year, that it would have caused some havoc today. No idea why we don't throw that at teams a few minutes every half.

Go Gophers!!
 

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