Norwood Teague: “I’d love to play North Dakota State"

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everybody knows my name said:
I have to agree with that. I'm sorry I let myself get sucked into it. Thing is, if you lived next door to hell you'd want to talk about it too.
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I kinda know what your getting at. I've had the displeasure of spending a few months working up there (plumber). The only thing that made Fargo nice was spending time in Williston.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I agree with your take. However, most little kids shoot for the moon with their aspirations. You hear astronaut, pro athlete, etc.

As to your point about the railroad. . .I have no doubts. However, I think Dpo's point stands that those kids should have higher aspirations. There is no shame in working for the railroad, but I think it's kind of sad that is where someone's dreams (as a kid) would take them.
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My dreams led me to work for about 12 years (BA + PhD) to get a job where I make about the same as my friends working on the railroad. Granted, my job is easy as sin and I don't have to leave my family for days at a time, but still. I don't think there's anything sad about dreaming to support a family and have a solid middle-class job. Frankly, those types of jobs are increasingly becoming the minority in this country.

And NDSU isn't D3 football, and honestly that's a rather silly comparison for a lot of reasons that you already know. You get a free ride, you are coached by well-paid professionals, you play in front of decent-sized crowds, and the FCS does occasionally send players to the NFL. It's a hell of an accomplishment to get an FCS scholarship offer. Anyone can play D3 (signed, someone that played D3)
 

"How to turn your 15minutes into an hour -The NDSU way....."

I am really hopeful that Gopher athletics will come up with ways to politely say we are interested In discussing Gopher athletics. Any concerns with or about NDSU should be directed toward the Bison athletics department.

I am convinced that NDSU and their perceived dominance pre-conference play has gotten 20 threads to one over our win over Alabama..... in a bowl game. Like Michigan vs Apalachian(sp?) State, I think we should just let them have there day. Let's just not add to it. They can do that all on their own.


BleedGopher said:
per the Forum of Fargo-Moorhead:

“It is primarily television pressuring and wanting the Big Ten to provide games that are (Football Bowl Subdivision) versus FBS teams,” Teague said Tuesday at the Gopher Road Trip’s Moorhead stop at the Courtyard by Marriot. “That’s understandable. They pay us a lot of money, and it’s just the desire of television that they want us to do that. That was their message to the Big Ten.”

After just finishing his first full year as the Gophers athletic director, Teague is trying to be a team player with his new conference.

“I’d love to play North Dakota State,” Teague said. “But I have to be a good member of the Big Ten and go along with what we’re doing.”

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/403521/group/homepage/

Go Gophers!!
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Gopherprof said:
My dreams led me to work for about 12 years (BA + PhD) to get a job where I make about the same as my friends working on the railroad. Granted, my job is easy as sin and I don't have to leave my family for days at a time, but still. I don't think there's anything sad about dreaming to support a family and have a solid middle-class job. Frankly, those types of jobs are increasingly becoming the minority in this country.

And NDSU isn't D3 football, and honestly that's a rather silly comparison for a lot of reasons that you already know. You get a free ride, you are coached by well-paid professionals, you play in front of decent-sized crowds, and the FCS does occasionally send players to the NFL. It's a hell of an accomplishment to get an FCS scholarship offer. Anyone can play D3 (signed, someone that played D3)
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Well, we can agree to disagree. I think it's sad for a kid hoping to one day have the ability to feed their family. There is nothing wrong with working on a railroad or any other blue collar/working class job in which you can "pay all your bills". I just would want my kids to have bigger dreams.

It doesn't matter if those types of jobs are in the minority. I am talking about the "dreams" of kids. I wouldn't want my kids to dream to be average. Even though most people end up being about average (and there is nothing wrong with it).

I wasn't calling NDSU a Division 3 school. I was referring to the people on here who talked about being from St. Cloud and knowing people who dreamed of playing for St. Johns.

Now again, you're conflating the notions of what is an accomplishment with what most people's dreams are when they are young. It's a gigantic accomplishment to play FCS football. I wasn't at all ripping on that accomplishment. I was saying that most kids (around me) growing up didn't think to themselves "golly, I'd love to play in that FCS Championship game one day", they had dreams of the Rose Bowl. I know you wanted to do the whole thing where you try to make it sound like I am belittling the accomplishment of playing in the FCS Championship Game, but I am not.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I was saying that most kids (around me) growing up didn't think to themselves "golly, I'd love to play in that FCS Championship game one day", they had dreams of the Rose Bowl.
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Fair enough, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the Gophers. (I keed, sort of)

I guess it depends on what we're talking about when we say "kids", but anyone past the age of 13 that still thinks they're going to be the President or score the winning TD in the Rose Bowl needs a serious reality check (unless they're a member of the Bush family or they can run a 4.4 40"). At 5? Sure, I wanted to be Andre the Giant when I grew up.
 


Can try to put this pissing match to rest? I am guessing that most kids dream of an FBS from almost anywhere(especially Minnesota if they are big fans). If you realize you aren't good enough for a FBS offer, a next tier team like NDSU, who, as late have been competing for titles might be an exciting consolation. No matter what the level no one likes to play for a loser.
 

Never fails.... Every NDSU-related thread reeks of Univ of Minnesota insecurity. The fact is, this wouldn't even be a discussion if NDSU hadn't rolled into Minneapolis twice in recent years and left with a win. If the Gophers would have taken care of business, we wouldn't be talking about NDSU any more than we talk about beating any other non-conference cupcake on the schedule.

For someone to say, unequivocally, that NOBODY would take a full ride scholly to NDSU over one from MN, you're delusional. Kids take all kinds of things into consideration when making a decision on where to play; proximity to home, family issues (Paul Carter), the ability for family to attend your games regularly, academic programs offered, football program SUCCESS, and the ability to START and to start EARLY rather than fighting for maybe a chance at playing time as JR's or SR's. It all plays a factor.

Some people just don't get that there ARE kids that WANT to be a big fish in a small pond. It happens. Not sure why that's so hard to figure out.

Finally, as some have alluded to, if you haven't lived within 20-30 miles or so of the F-M area, you just don't understand how passionate the fans are about it. It's not knew either, it was just as bad or worse in the 80's when the Bison were winning D-II National Champs back then. They were clamoring to play the Gophers back then even it wasn't even a remote possibility. It's just the way they are.

The NDSU fans are largely fanatical, irrational, unreasonable, arrogant, delusional, and on most occasions jackasses. No doubt about it. But they're the only show in town up there and they embrace it 100%. I'm guessing the Gopher fans that express their disdain the MOST towards NDSU and their fans are probably the ones for whom losing to NDSU stings the most.

I don't have a problem with having NDSU on the schedule. They fill the stadium, bring some major money to the MSP area when they do, and it's just REALLY REALLY unlikely that the Gophers will EVER lose to them in the forseeable future. I just don't see it happening. What's the harm...
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Never fails.... Every NDSU-related thread reeks of Univ of Minnesota insecurity. The fact is, this wouldn't even be a discussion if NDSU hadn't rolled into Minneapolis twice in recent years and left with a win. If the Gophers would have taken care of business, we wouldn't be talking about NDSU any more than we talk about beating any other non-conference cupcake on the schedule.

For someone to say, unequivocally, that NOBODY would take a full ride scholly to NDSU over one from MN, you're delusional. Kids take all kinds of things into consideration when making a decision on where to play; proximity to home, family issues (Paul Carter), the ability for family to attend your games regularly, academic programs offered, football program SUCCESS, and the ability to START and to start EARLY rather than fighting for maybe a chance at playing time as JR's or SR's. It all plays a factor.

Some people just don't get that there ARE kids that WANT to be a big fish in a small pond. It happens. Not sure why that's so hard to figure out.

Finally, as some have alluded to, if you haven't lived within 20-30 miles or so of the F-M area, you just don't understand how passionate the fans are about it. It's not knew either, it was just as bad or worse in the 80's when the Bison were winning D-II National Champs back then. They were clamoring to play the Gophers back then even it wasn't even a remote possibility. It's just the way they are.

The NDSU fans are largely fanatical, irrational, unreasonable, arrogant, delusional, and on most occasions jackasses. No doubt about it. But they're the only show in town up there and they embrace it 100%. I'm guessing the Gopher fans that express their disdain the MOST towards NDSU and their fans are probably the ones for whom losing to NDSU stings the most.

I don't have a problem with having NDSU on the schedule. They fill the stadium, bring some major money to the MSP area when they do, and it's just REALLY REALLY unlikely that the Gophers will EVER lose to them in the forseeable future. I just don't see it happening. What's the harm...
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Have there been any known NDSU players that had offers from the Gophers? I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just curious.
 

jaymil said:
Have there been any known NDSU players that had offers from the Gophers? I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just curious.
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I suppose there are a few recruits who turn down BCS scholarship offers to take FCS scholarship offers, but it is pretty rare.
 




Let me piggyback on a couple of points.

I know people who have played for NDSU. Their fan base is incredibly loyal. In fact, I would say the "average" NDSU fan cares more about their team as compared to the "average" Gopher Fan.

As pointed out above, a little kid may dream about playing for the Gophers (but given attendance and recent lack of success, how many little kids really dream about playing for the Gophers.....), but I think most HS players are more realistic about their talent level. Some kids may be willing to sit on the bench or play special teams in order to say they were a D1 player - but most players I know want to PLAY - not sit on the bench. I knew a very good HS QB who walked on at a D1 school because he (and his dad!) were convinced he was a D1 player. He never sniffed the field, eventually transferred, and wound up starting at QB for a D3 team that playing in a National Championship game.

Bottom line - throwing insults at NDSU does not make the Gophers a better program, and does not make the insulter a better fan. I do not begrudge NDSU its success. A strong NDSU program does not diminish the Gopher program - unless you think it does - and that's your problem.
 

I stand by my earlier contention that there's a big swath of northwestern Minnesota that is NDSU country.

Imagine a kid in football-crazy Argyle Minnesota, 300+ miles from Minneapolis. The kids at his school wear NDSU or UND gear, his parents attended NDSU, they have NDSU season tickets, they talk about the Bison around the dinner table. He visits Winnipeg as often as he visits Minneapolis. For him the U of M might as well be Illinois or Indiana: he just doesn't care. No doubt he would take a Minnesota scholarship over an NDSU offer, but for the same reason that Joe Mauer was going to take a Florida State offer over a spot at Minnesota.

I'm telling you, people up here just aren't likely to be Gophers fans.
 

Imagining isn't as good as evidence. I'm up in that area fairly often (Erskine) and I rarely see any NDSU gear. However, I see University of Minnesota gear up in that area quite commonly.
 





AO54 said:
yes.

There's not enough parity in college football to expect 4 competitive non-conference games. We know an easy schedule when we see one. There doesn't need to be a blanket rule about it. The top programs will be a little more motivated to schedule better competition now with playoff spots up for grabs.
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True, we do know an easy schedule when we see it. So why let teams schedule FCS teams to make the schedules even easier. And with the B1G going to a 9 game conference schedule, I do NOT want a non-conference game to be against a FCS team. That would be awful as a fan.
 

DLguy said:
True, we do know an easy schedule when we see it. So why let teams schedule FCS teams to make the schedules even easier. And with the B1G going to a 9 game conference schedule, I do NOT want a non-conference game to be against a FCS team. That would be awful as a fan.
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New Mexico State and Eastern Illinois are awful games as a fan. The argument as Rittenberg noted was to choose between New Mexico State or FCS, just don't choose both. If you're going to schedule a top 15 FCS team and you struggle to win 2 big ten games, expect a good game.
 

spermophilus said:
Laughable.

Woody was being p.c. to the local media. I was at the luncheon - I doubt whether Teague could have been more insincere tonally. Rightfully so and good for him.
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This. There is no upside to playing the bison.
 

everybody knows my name said:
I stand by my earlier contention that there's a big swath of northwestern Minnesota that is NDSU country.
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You are right to a large extent. When most of my family would come down it was to go to a Garth Brooks or Kenny Chesney concert it wasn't to watch a game of U football. IMO there are so few kids who go to the U from the area that it does not seem realistic. NDSU and UND seem realistic. Although it would take about one kid from Karlstad signing with the U to convert half the town for a number of years.
 

panolo said:
You are right to a large extent. When most of my family would come down it was to go to a Garth Brooks or Kenny Chesney concert it wasn't to watch a game of U football. IMO there are so few kids who go to the U from the area that it does not seem realistic. NDSU and UND seem realistic. Although it would take about one kid from Karlstad signing with the U to convert half the town for a number of years.
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Most kids from the area are urged to save money by attending schools like ndsu, bemidji, Duluth, Moorhead, etc. most kids from that nw area fear the large metro area, ppl like what they grew up around. The U ignores the nw part of the state and the families that reside there ignore the U. Kill, Lucia, and pitino didn't go to Moorhead during their tour. Are fans going to get excited for coaches they have never heard of for sports they never watch?
 

When you get past Fergus Falls the 'Big City' is Fargo. Minneapolis is somewhere over by Chicago.
 

Do we have any information on where University of Minnesota students come from? I agree that there aren't a whole lot of people making 300 mile drives to attend Gophers game.
 

lakesgopher said:
Most kids from the area are urged to save money by attending schools like ndsu, bemidji, Duluth, Moorhead, etc. most kids from that nw area fear the large metro area, ppl like what they grew up around. The U ignores the nw part of the state and the families that reside there ignore the U. Kill, Lucia, and pitino didn't go to Moorhead during their tour. Are fans going to get excited for coaches they have never heard of for sports they never watch?
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WTF are you babbling nonsense about? Everyone can't be everywhere all the time, jerkoff.

http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/82351/group/Sports/

You have now displayed yourself as a totally uninformed know nothing asshole. You pissed the Doc off, lakesgopher. More so than lakesbison ever did.

In red, btw, give the U some kids worth looking at for B1G level abilities and talents and you will hear from the Gophers. Those coaching staffs are not stupid, and know what to look for. If a kid from Argyle, or Moorhead, or Fargo, or Dilworth, or Ada is worth a look to become a Gopher, the staff will have already scouted them long before you know of it.
 



everybody knows my name said:
This is the only part of your post worthy of comment.

I've lived up here from '97 to '00 and again from '03 till now. I watch the local news, I read the local paper, and I socialize with the locals. Tell me not to believe my own eyes, I don't care. People up here, including Minnesotans within about 50 miles of the North Dakota border, couldn't care less about the U of M. They follow the Bison like Bostonians follow the Red Sox. For them it's about three things: first, proximity - they're far closer to NDSU than to the U. Second, recent success - they've seen NDSU win conference titles, national titles, and bragging rights against Minnesota. Third, their friends, families, and neighbors attended NDSU and not Minnesota.

I think I'll believe my eyes.
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This is 100% true. I graduated high school in 2009 and about 50% of my class (who proceeded to achieve a post-secondary education) went to NDSU, 20% went to MSUM, 10% went to M-State Fergus Falls, 10% went to the U, 5% went to Concordia - Moorhead, and 5% went elsewhere. Graduating class was roughly 140 and was within a 60 mile radius of Fargo.

The only place where people would die to go/play for the U is in the cities. That's it. Most of the state outside of the cities will cheer for the U for almost every game, but are rarely in a "OMG MY GOPHERS BETTER NOT LOSE LEL" state of mind.

Now if we were to talk about the Vikings, all of MN, ND, and SD would be crying for them to win...
 

I personally think any football player in MN would jump at a chance to get a scholarship at the U rather than one from FCS. As mentioned, however, the real key is whether they would take a walk on offer at the U rather than a scholarhip at a FCS school. In the past that would never happen, but Kill is rapidly changing that.

A recent example is Ben Lauer. He was offered mulitple scholarships from regional FCS schools and turned them all down to walk onto the Gopher program. I know the OL coach at NDSU felt that was a huge loss for his program and he personally told me that he thinks Lauer is All-B1G material because of his athleticism.

So, I think the days of losing guys like Tom Compton to a regional FCS program are largely over. Most of these guys would prefer to walk on at the U where they know Kill will give them a legitimate shot. Kill's walk on program is hurting NDSU, big time.
 

Dr.Don said:
WTF are you babbling nonsense about? Everyone can't be everywhere all the time, jerkoff.

http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/82351/group/Sports/

You have now displayed yourself as a totally uninformed know nothing asshole. You pissed the Doc off, lakesgopher. More so than lakesbison ever did.

In red, btw, give the U some kids worth looking at for B1G level abilities and talents and you will hear from the Gophers. Those coaching staffs are not stupid, and know what to look for. If a kid from Argyle, or Moorhead, or Fargo, or Dilworth, or Ada is worth a look to become a Gopher, the staff will have already scouted them long before you know of it.
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Lol my world will now end because you're upset! I never heard why they didn't show up in Moorhead and I never claimed I did. I just said they didn't show. I could care less about you don, it's obvious gopher hole is all you have in life so continue throwing a temper tantrum.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Never fails.... Every NDSU-related thread reeks of Univ of Minnesota insecurity. The fact is, this wouldn't even be a discussion if NDSU hadn't rolled into Minneapolis twice in recent years and left with a win. If the Gophers would have taken care of business, we wouldn't be talking about NDSU any more than we talk about beating any other non-conference cupcake on the schedule.

For someone to say, unequivocally, that NOBODY would take a full ride scholly to NDSU over one from MN, you're delusional. Kids take all kinds of things into consideration when making a decision on where to play; proximity to home, family issues (Paul Carter), the ability for family to attend your games regularly, academic programs offered, football program SUCCESS, and the ability to START and to start EARLY rather than fighting for maybe a chance at playing time as JR's or SR's. It all plays a factor.

Some people just don't get that there ARE kids that WANT to be a big fish in a small pond. It happens. Not sure why that's so hard to figure out.

Finally, as some have alluded to, if you haven't lived within 20-30 miles or so of the F-M area, you just don't understand how passionate the fans are about it. It's not knew either, it was just as bad or worse in the 80's when the Bison were winning D-II National Champs back then. They were clamoring to play the Gophers back then even it wasn't even a remote possibility. It's just the way they are.

The NDSU fans are largely fanatical, irrational, unreasonable, arrogant, delusional, and on most occasions jackasses. No doubt about it. But they're the only show in town up there and they embrace it 100%. I'm guessing the Gopher fans that express their disdain the MOST towards NDSU and their fans are probably the ones for whom losing to NDSU stings the most.

I don't have a problem with having NDSU on the schedule. They fill the stadium, bring some major money to the MSP area when they do, and it's just REALLY REALLY unlikely that the Gophers will EVER lose to them in the forseeable future. I just don't see it happening. What's the harm...
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+1, Ogee. Everything you said I'd have to agree with.
 

Dr.Don said:
WTF are you babbling nonsense about? Everyone can't be everywhere all the time, jerkoff.

http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/82351/group/Sports/

"...You have now displayed yourself as a totally uninformed know nothing asshole. You pissed the Doc off, lakesgopher. More so than lakesbison ever did..."

(And then your headliner...)

"...WTF are you babbling nonsense about? Everyone can't be everywhere all the time, jerkoff..."

Is there ANY place for this kind of "short...sweet..." posting Dr. Don?





So Dr. Don: this is one of your "short...sweet..." better kinds of posts. The Moms of civilized lads would have washed their mouths out with soap if they would have tried to post one of your types of little posts. You should be ashamed of yourself. The "long and short of it..." is that even though you had next to nothing to say, you wasted virtually all the few socially acceptable words you did use...and this post was entirely too long. The entire theme of your post was not acceptable Dr. Don.

Your: "...short...sweet posts..." are NOT all they are cracked up...to be..."...OR, maybe they just say a lot about you. Clean it up... This is only a Golden Gopher Football Message Board and you are certainly no model citizen here...any more than I am. So, take your own inventory don...

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