Nolen Broke Foot, Out At Least 4 Weeks

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USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Even if all of the above were 100% accurate, it doesn't excuse quitting in the middle of the season. Devoe gained nothing in terms of his transfer and screwed over his teamates in the process. Even if you can defend his choice to leave, you cannot defend the timing. He could have stepped in now, led us to a nice NCAA run, played the hero and then told Tubby to go shove it and transferred in April. What would have been a better feeling then that for him?
 

USAFChief said:
Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.
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Air Force Dude. Your opinion has been logged ad nauseum.

A. Joseph isn't the better player. At least he wasn't this year. Particularly defensively, where Dewho was about as good as me.

2. Dewho is a quitter. Poor Dewho. He didn't get the playing time he "deserved" after being suspended and a couple games back. So quit. Midseason. Good plan. Is that what you encourage your plebes to do in the Force when the chips are down?
 

al nolen has more heart the cory's little brother could smoke. devoe didnt play defense. Al keeps other teams players in check. devoe took terrbile early shot clock shots that almost never go in. Al runs the offense, and racks up assists, rebounds, and was scoring pretty well too. Al is a senior, whats tubby gonna do, "sorry senior Al who has more heart, better defense, and better overall point gaurd than devoe, were gonna replace you with a kid who doesnt want to be here, got suspended, and likes marijauna, and hes a junior while your a senior who commited when we were 9-22. have a nice life" tubby smith is too classy for that.
 

USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Whether or not you think Devoe had a legit gripe (I don't, because of his suspension), quitting was quite clearly indefensible, both for Devoe's best interest, and the team's.
 

BBQ Platypus said:
Honestly, is every single sports venue in Minnesota built on Indian burial ground or something? Why does this *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# always happen to us?
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+1. Just cuz I'm a sucker for funny posts.

I like Chip as a replacement for Nolen...maybe not ballhandling-wise, but the dude has some sneaky hands and isn't afraid to bring it to the rim. Hopefully Nolen gets better, but before we all throw our life vests on and swim to shore, let's look at how they play against a reeling Northwestern team.

After that let's all complain and post 18 new topics about how we're cursed and God hates us (b/c s/he obviously does).
 


USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Ignoring a military guy defending a quitter, by itself this is one of the dumb ass posts of all time.
 

USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Devoe failed his 3rd Drug test and got out of dodge before being suspended again. Still want him in there over Al????
 

jmag21 said:
Whether or not you think Devoe had a legit gripe (I don't, because of his suspension), quitting was quite clearly indefensible, both for Devoe's best interest, and the team's.
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And yet nobody has a problem with Nolen quitting last year.

Nobody here really knows what is in Devoe's best interests (including me), and as for the team's best interests, talk to the coach who chose the inferior player.
 

USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Michael Robinson was dogged in favor of the terrible Zach Mills for two+ seasons at Penn State. Instead of quitting due to lack of playing time in favor of an obviously worse player, he was the ideal teammate, did what he needed to do to help, and waited for his time. His senior season he led his team to a BCS victory and literally was one second away from playing for the National Championship. Robinson is doing quite nicely now, still in the NFL as a role player. In fact, one could argue quite easily that if he had gone to another school to be a QB he wouldn't have developed the necessary skill sets that have him contributing and drawing a paycheck in the league.

The point is that there is a lot more to development as a player and person than going to another school to get an extra 10 minutes of "run" for 2/3rds of a season. Al lost his way, worked his butt off, and rejoined his team as a senior leader. Devoe lost his way, then decided to quit. Period.
 



USAFChief said:
And yet nobody has a problem with Nolen quitting last year.

Nobody here really knows what is in Devoe's best interests (including me), and as for the team's best interests, talk to the coach who chose the inferior player.
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Saying that nobody had a problem with Nolen's issues last year destroys your credibility. Everybody had a problem with Nolen's lax academics (although it was not quitting). He rightfully got flack. And "nobody here really knows what is in Devoe's best interests?" Listen, if you can make a straight-faced argument that (granted, with the benefit of hindsight) Devoe would not have benefited his own selfish interests by being a Gopher right now as opposed to sitting out two years and playing at an inferior Pac-10 school, then I'd love to hear it. I can't imagine that you can do it. Again, whether Devoe was right to have a gripe is absolutely immaterial. Quitting was indefensible.
 

USAFChief said:
And yet nobody has a problem with Nolen quitting last year.

Nobody here really knows what is in Devoe's best interests (including me), and as for the team's best interests, talk to the coach who chose the inferior player.
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You can't possibly think these are the same, or even comparable, can you?

I am a student at the U, and I would be unlikely to try to defend anyone who can't get the minimum GPA required to play, because honestly, that shouldn't be too difficult with some hard work. Obviously, that's my opinion, and I think the fact that the vast majority of athletes remain eligible is pretty good evidence that it can be done.

However, messing up on some tests and papers and therefore being suspended is different than being suspended for non-academic reasons and then deciding that you shouldn't have to follow the rules, and then transferring. I hope you see that distinction. Both are mistakes and shouldn't happen, but one player stuck it out and turned it around and another (who was suspended due to purely avoidable circumstances) decided to bail.
 

USAFChief said:
And yet nobody has a problem with Nolen quitting last year.

Nobody here really knows what is in Devoe's best interests (including me), and as for the team's best interests, talk to the coach who chose the inferior player.
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Never again speak of nolen as some kind of quitter. Nolen is still here, nolen played 10 games with a stress fracture in his foot. Nolen fought his way back from bad grades after spending time in the hospital with his family. Devoe quit because he was suspended, wanted more shots and PT, and couldnt walk in nolens footsteps. Nolen, as i said before has the most heart on this team
 

USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Dude, what are you, Devoe Joseph's BFF or something? Or a close relative? No objective person would summarize the situation as you did ... neither as to Joseph's behavior nor his playing ability.

Getting suspended for 6 games to start the season is a big deal. Playing good defense is a big deal. The PG running the offense and not being a ball hog is a big deal.

Frankly, this all just shows what a big mistake Joseph made in transferring. He'd be starting for a contender if he'd had stayed, and his PT worries would be behind him. Instead, have fun sitting on the bench this year and losing by about 20 ppg next year.
 



Mulligan said:
Ignoring a military guy defending a quitter, by itself this is one of the dumb ass posts of all time.
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AND one that couldn't pass a drug test (multiple tests, in fact) to save his life. It's pretty amazing that a retired military man (allegedly) has spent the better part of a month bashing a man of integrity like Tubby in defense of a dope-head quitter.

I just can't picture my father, United States Navy-retired, sharing the same sentiment.
 

WanderingGopher said:
Dude, what are you, Devoe Joseph's BFF or something? Or a close relative? No objective person would summarize the situation as you did ... neither as to Joseph's behavior nor his playing ability.

Getting suspended for 6 games to start the season is a big deal. Playing good defense is a big deal. The PG running the offense and not being a ball hog is a big deal.

Frankly, this all just shows what a big mistake Joseph made in transferring. He'd be starting for a contender if he'd had stayed, and his PT worries would be behind him. Instead, have fun sitting on the bench this year and losing by about 20 ppg next year.
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Next year? Try two years from now unless Devoe only wants to play half a season (as I understand it).
 

I know it would be pathetic, but could Tubby put in a last gasp call to Devoe..."COME BACK"!!! lol
 

USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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A shorter translation of this might be that you still have a stick up your butt. And despite repeated tries, you still haven't figured out how to remove it and come here to vent.

USAFChief said:
And yet nobody has a problem with Nolen quitting last year.
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You have moved well into idiocy when you keep pushing this line of attack. Al didn't quit. He made mistakes, paid the price, and came back to lead his team as a senior. Did he FAIL his team last season? You bet he did. But failing and quitting aren't the same. At least not to rational people who understand the meaning of words and simple concepts like "quitting".

Devoe faced a similar situation earlier in the year. He failed his team early. He returned only to get miffed that his personal goals weren't being met. He then QUIT...ya know, the actual kind of quitting where you leave your teammates and school behind. Not to be confused with being benched but remaining with the team, working hard, and making your way back to the starting lineup.
 

Moses87 said:
I know it would be pathetic, but could Tubby put in a last gasp call to Devoe..."COME BACK"!!! lol
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Even if Tubby would stoop to that, I don't think it'd be possible at this point. Transfers can't be canceled, can they?
 

jmag21 said:
Listen, if you can make a straight-faced argument that (granted, with the benefit of hindsight) Devoe would not have benefited his own selfish interests by being a Gopher right now as opposed to sitting out two years and playing at an inferior Pac-10 school, then I'd love to hear it. I can't imagine that you can do it. Again, whether Devoe was right to have a gripe is absolutely immaterial. Quitting was indefensible.
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Careful. You're talking to a guy who thinks Al quit last year. By his logic Devoe actually quit TWICE this season.
 

GopherJake said:
BUT. I have heard over the years, particularly in the pre-conference season, including again this year, complaints that Tubby's bench is too long, he should give more minutes to the core players, etc., etc.

Haven't you?
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Would he have a better Big Ten record than 30-31 in three plus years if he had a shorter bench?
 

jmag21 said:
Next year? Try two years from now unless Devoe only wants to play half a season (as I understand it).
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Devoe does only plan to play half (or really 2/3 of a season) next year. He can do that because Oregon is on quarters.
 

GoGoGophers said:
AND one that couldn't pass a drug test (multiple tests, in fact) to save his life. It's pretty amazing that a retired military man (allegedly) has spent the better part of a month bashing a man of integrity like Tubby in defense of a dope-head quitter.

I just can't picture my father, United States Navy-retired, sharing the same sentiment.
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I just cant picture your father, USN(R), stating rumor as fact.
 


USAFChief said:
And yet nobody has a problem with Nolen quitting last year.

Nobody here really knows what is in Devoe's best interests (including me), and as for the team's best interests, talk to the coach who chose the inferior player.
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Were you even around here last year when Nolen was suspended? I know you like to make things up but c'mon.

The funny thing is, Joseph and Nolen played together in a total of 3 games this year and their minutes were almost equal in those three games. Yet you make it sound like Nolen was playing way more than Joseph. Two games were against Wisconsin and Michigan St., teams with good guard play. It's not a secret that Nolen plays much better defense than Joseph. Might have something to do with Joseph not getting a ton of minutes in those two games.

If you just look at scoring, then Joseph is by far the better player. But if you compare their scoring, defense, and ability to handle the ball, then they are pretty close in my opinion.
 

USAFChief said:
I just cant picture your father, USN(R), stating rumor as fact.
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Air Force Dude, 2 questions:

1. When Dewho was suspended at the beginning of this season, did he quit on the team?

2. When the chips are down, do you encourage your plebes to quit?
 

Tubby is restricted about what he can say about Devoe. Devoe is gone, AL is out indefinitely , please slap yourself in the face, wake up and realize that
this will be an opportunity for someone else to step up, assume the role, and make a difference. Any Athlete with an ounce of confidence and swagger will try to capitalize on this chance. Let's see what the replacements Tubby recruited are willing and capable of executing at a higher level.

The season is far from over folks!
 


We looked pretty good without Al in the 2nd half vs. Michigan. I think Mav and Chip can collectively help this team to a darn good 2nd half of the season. Go Gophers!
 

USAFChief said:
I just cant picture your father, USN(R), stating rumor as fact.
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I notice you only take time to respond to the posts that deal in rumor while ignoring the ones that factually address your ridiculous "Al quit last season" argument. Or maybe you just overlooked the half dozen responses calling you out. Which could it be...
 

Haven't any of this thread. I just want it on the record that Al's injury is only of minor concern to me. We should still be successful this year and get out of the first round of the tourney.
 

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