Nolen Broke Foot, Out At Least 4 Weeks

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^ like are you kidding me? an 8 man roster, 3 of which are freshman, and you expect to get out of the first round? lets make the tournement first.
 

Go Gophs eh? said:
^ like are you kidding me? an 8 man roster, 3 of which are freshman, and you expect to get out of the first round? lets make the tournement first.
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Tubby had 7 man roster going into 2000 NCAA with 2 frosh and 3 sophs among the 7 players.

His UK team won its 1st round NCAA game and narrowly lost its 2nd round contest.
 


Don't feed USAFChief. He'll go away without the reward of responses to his nonsense. He has nothing to contribute to this board other than to make statements about players that aren't accurate. All that matters is ppg. Who cares about defense, passing, attitude, intensity, team goals, or anything else?
 

BBQ Platypus said:
Honestly, is every single sports venue in Minnesota built on Indian burial ground or something? Why does this *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# always happen to us?
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Whatever we did to deserve all this, it must have been fun.

Best wishes to Al, and we hope he can pull a Whalen and get back in time for the end of the season.
 


jmag21 said:
I don't know, I'd be shocked if we saw Al back within a month. I'm no doctor, but I can't remember a player with a broken foot returning that fast and being effective. Let's hope I'm wrong.
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I agree with you. I know David Lighty broke a bone in his foot in mid-December 2008 and was out the rest of the season. I don't know what kind of break Nolen has, but I would expect Minnesota to have to play without him from here on out. Foot surgery at this point in the season is a really bad thing to have. 4 weeks is a best-case scenario. Duke had Kyrie Irving avoid foot surgery after his injury in early December in the hopes that he would still play this season, and he hasn't gotten his cast off yet and he didn't even break any bones.
 

Go Gophs eh? said:
^ like are you kidding me? an 8 man roster, 3 of which are freshman, and you expect to get out of the first round? lets make the tournement first.
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Not that this changes things tremendously, but we actually have nine active players now. Dawson is not on scholarship, but he is active.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Not that this changes things tremendously, but we actually have nine active players now. Dawson is not on scholarship, but he is active.
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Further, we have the potential at least of having ten, because Elliason could play if we needed him. Obviously, our need is at guard, though.
 

GoAUpher said:
I notice you only take time to respond to the posts that deal in rumor while ignoring the ones that factually address your ridiculous "Al quit last season" argument. Or maybe you just overlooked the half dozen responses calling you out. Which could it be...
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Quitting going to class is pretty much the same thing as quitting by leaving the team. Both are voluntary, both leave the team without a player. Both were done for personal reasons, for that matter, and seem to me to be about equal in terms of selfishness and shortsightedness.

As for responding to every arsehole who thinks adding 'dude' and/or disparaging nicknames to a post makes it humorous, no thanks. I'm too old to waste time on arrogant kids, particularly when they have so little to be arrogant about.
 



Friend Of Tubby said:
1st quarter ends just before Xmas - he'll be able to play about 20 games next season.
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I thought it was a good couple of weeks before Christmas... want to say Dec 9. Depending on their specific schedule, will likely miss the first 8 or so games.
 


Friend Of Tubby said:
Tubby had 7 man roster going into 2000 NCAA with 2 frosh and 3 sophs among the 7 players.

His UK team won its 1st round NCAA game and narrowly lost its 2nd round contest.
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That's actually not a bad comparison because Tubby's 2000 UK team kind of reminds me of this Minnesota team. Neither were/are great shooting teams, but they made up for it by rebounding and playing solid D.

Then again, that team included 3 future NBA players and had their starting guard (Saul, who I believe was a junior that year) for the entire season. There's a lot more question marks with this Minnesota team...I hope Chip and Mav can surprise us, but it's going to be hard to replace Al, especially his defensive play.
 




USAFChief said:
Quitting going to class is pretty much the same thing as quitting by leaving the team. Both are voluntary, both leave the team without a player. Both were done for personal reasons, for that matter, and seem to me to be about equal in terms of selfishness and shortsightedness.

As for responding to every arsehole who thinks adding 'dude' and/or disparaging nicknames to a post makes it humorous, no thanks. I'm too old to waste time on arrogant kids, particularly when they have so little to be arrogant about.
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So you're admitting that Devoe quit the team twice then? Because whatever the cause of his suspension, I think we can be sure it was a voluntary decision that landed him in trouble. Unless you have some conspiracy theory about him being forced into breaking team rules.

Your logic here sucks so you have two choices that don't involve flinging poo at a wall. Admit that you're comparison isn't equivalent or admit that by your own logic Devoe quit twice. And if you choose the former then I'd point out that it still leaves Al looking better. B/c at least when Al "quit" on his team he had the stones to earn his way back AND stick it out. Devoe ended up quitting again (again, by your logic).

Or you could keep making it up as you go. Which I'm guessing is what you'll choose. But I'm a glass half full kind of guy and I'm hoping the man who talks about not responding to arrogant kids stops using the logic of a petulant 3rd grader.
 

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USAFChief said:
Let's see if I can summarize prevailing GH sentiment: Nolen quits the team last year by failing to maintain his academics. Joseph steps up and proves to be easily the better basketball player, and the team plays better with Nolen gone. Joseph is the team's best player on the Canada trip this past fall. For some unknown reason, Joseph is suspended later this season, does his time, comes back, and finds the inferior player, who quit on the team last year and is injured this year, taking his minutes. When the inferior, injured player plays a terrible game to start the conference season, it results in even more minutes the next game for the inferior player. Joseph decides to go somewhere else to play, and the folks here can't understand why.

Now that the inferior player is injured, folks here bemoan the fact Joseph left.

Unbelievable. This problem is Tubby's fault, not Joseph's. Had he let the better player play, the team wouldn't be in this situation.

Good luck with the Ahanmisi thing. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
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Your logic is convoluted. Just come right out and say you hate Tubby Smith rather than dancing around your real point. Or say you hate discipline. Say it out loud. Be honest. Just Quit making bogus junk up to reach some fictional conclusion in your own head even you don't believe.
 

GoAUpher said:
So you're admitting that Devoe quit the team twice then? Because whatever the cause of his suspension, I think we can be sure it was a voluntary decision that landed him in trouble. Unless you have some conspiracy theory about him being forced into breaking team rules.

Your logic here sucks so you have two choices that don't involve flinging poo at a wall. Admit that you're comparison isn't equivalent or admit that by your own logic Devoe quit twice. And if you choose the former then I'd point out that it still leaves Al looking better. B/c at least when Al "quit" on his team he had the stones to earn his way back AND stick it out. Devoe ended up quitting again (again, by your logic).

Or you could keep making it up as you go. Which I'm guessing is what you'll choose. But I'm a glass half full kind of guy and I'm hoping the man who talks about not responding to arrogant kids stops using the logic of a petulant 3rd grader.
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You're right. Joseph's the devil himself, and should have continued to sit on the bench waiting for the inferior player to hurt himself or quit again.
 

USAFChief said:
You're right. Joseph's the devil himself, and should have continued to sit on the bench waiting for the inferior player to hurt himself or quit again.
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Nice dodge. By your own logic, believing Nolen is an inferior player wouldn't excuse his behavior. But I guess as long as it's your favorite player who is the one quitting that makes it ok. I look forward to your next sidestep of a direct question or attempt to make something else stick. It's entertaining to watch someone who gets upset when his honor is questioned defend a player who left his team midseason because he wasn't happy with his PT. The irony is quite rich. :rolleyes:

Also, nice attempt to pretend that I attacked Devoe. All I did was apply the standard you set for Nolen to Devoe.
 

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USAFChief said:
You're right. Joseph's the devil himself, and should have continued to sit on the bench waiting for the inferior player to hurt himself or quit again.
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Hmmm, let me think on this a minute. Who is the inferior player, Al or Mr. Joseph?

Whose opinion should I side with? Winner of a national Championship, Tubby Smith, or an anonymous chatboard character ?

Hmmm, let me think on this a minute.

Call me old fashioned but I will side with Coach Smith.
 


USAFChief said:
I'm too old to waste time on arrogant kids, particularly when they have so little to be arrogant about.
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Um ... I know several of the people responding aren't kids. I assume you were at least an E-8 or E-9 though I'm not familiar with AF ranks. Your attitude towards someone who quits and runs is unlike any lifer's I ever met in the military. Granted, I was in a slightly more gung-ho organization; which, come to think of it, is maybe why there were so many disparaging comments about flyboys.
 

GoAUpher said:
Nice dodge. By your own logic, believing Nolen is an inferior player wouldn't excuse his behavior. But I guess as long as it's your favorite player who is the one quitting that makes it ok. I look forward to your next sidestep of a direct question or attempt to make something else stick. It's entertaining to watch someone who gets upset when his honor is questioned defend a player who left his team midseason because he wasn't happy with his PT. The irony is quite rich. :rolleyes:

Also, nice attempt to pretend that I attacked Devoe. All I did was apply the standard you set for Nolen to Devoe.
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I didn't dodge anything. In fact, I've said on this very thread Joseph was selfish and shortsighted for getting suspended this year. As was Nolen last year. Why the double standard? Why does Nolen walk back into a starters role, but not Joseph? Why the hatred for Joseph on this board, while everyone looks the other way on Nolen?

Joseph wasn't my favorite player, simply better than Nolen. Neither should have been playing much PG for a team that hopes to contend for a B10 title, much less a national championship. Nolen is too offensively challenged to be effective, and the myth about his great defense is the stuff of urban legend. Joseph should be playing SG. But given the situation, he clearly deserved PT ahead of Nolen, and I don't blame him for looking elsewhere once Tubby made his position clear.

The decision to transfer wasn't selfish at all. In fact, many people on this very board have pointed out that it would have been in Joseph's best interests to play out the season, THEN transfer.

Now Nolen might be out for the season, and everyone is bemoaning that fact. Well, you got what you asked for.
 

USAFChief said:
I didn't dodge anything. In fact, I've said on this very thread Joseph was selfish and shortsighted for getting suspended this year. As was Nolen last year. Why the double standard? Why does Nolen walk back into a starters role, but not Joseph? Why the hatred for Joseph on this board, while everyone looks the other way on Nolen?

Joseph wasn't my favorite player, simply better than Nolen. Neither should have been playing much PG for a team that hopes to contend for a B10 title, much less a national championship. Nolen is too offensively challenged to be effective, and the myth about his great defense is the stuff of urban legend. Joseph should be playing SG. But given the situation, he clearly deserved PT ahead of Nolen, and I don't blame him for looking elsewhere once Tubby made his position clear.

The decision to transfer wasn't selfish at all. In fact, many people on this very board have pointed out that it would have been in Joseph's best interests to play out the season, THEN transfer.

Now Nolen might be out for the season, and everyone is bemoaning that fact. Well, you got what you asked for.
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And the dance continues. So very entertaining. So you are critical of Devoe's mistakes/suspension but not enough to call him a quitter. Yet when Nolen also makes mistakes and gets suspended he is a quitter. Tis puzzling this logic of yours.

And the framing of Devoe's exit as a simple transfer. Not quitting on the team midseason mind you. No no! He had reasons! Not abandoning his teammates at all.

Even if it wasn't for selfish reasons he still quit on his team. Yet you can't seem to bring yourself to say it.

As for why Nolen got to return more easily than Devoe? I don't know. I do know it is irrelevant to the logic of your argument. If you want to defend him by saying his quitting was justified that's fine. But he still quit by the logic you've used to indict Nolen.
 

Mulligan said:
Um ... I know several of the people responding aren't kids. I assume you were at least an E-8 or E-9 though I'm not familiar with AF ranks. Your attitude towards someone who quits and runs is unlike any lifer's I ever met in the military. Granted, I was in a slightly more gung-ho organization; which, come to think of it, is maybe why there were so many disparaging comments about flyboys.
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I've responded to those that deserve a response, although I'm obviously in the minority so I can't respond to all.

It's not important, but my paygrade was E9. My rank was Chief Master Sergeant.

Thanks for your service, although I'd suggest if you go back into that slightly more gung-ho organization, your refer to those with similar rank as Sergeant Major. I'm guessing "Hey E9" won't be well received.
 

GoAUpher said:
And the dance continues. So very entertaining. So you are critical of Devoe's mistakes/suspension but not enough to call him a quitter. Yet when Nolen also makes mistakes and gets suspended he is a quitter. Tis puzzling this logic of yours.

And the framing of Devoe's exit as a simple transfer. Not quitting on the team midseason mind you. No no! He had reasons! Not abandoning his teammates at all.

Even if it wasn't for selfish reasons he still quit on his team. Yet you can't seem to bring yourself to say it.

As for why Nolen got to return more easily than Devoe? I don't know. I do know it is irrelevant to the logic of your argument. If you want to defend him by saying his quitting was justified that's fine. But he still quit by the logic you've used to indict Nolen.
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They're both quitters. I don't think I said differently.

Now you say it. By your logic.
 

USAFChief said:
I didn't dodge anything. In fact, I've said on this very thread Joseph was selfish and shortsighted for getting suspended this year. As was Nolen last year. Why the double standard? Why does Nolen walk back into a starters role, but not Joseph? Why the hatred for Joseph on this board, while everyone looks the other way on Nolen?

Joseph wasn't my favorite player, simply better than Nolen. Neither should have been playing much PG for a team that hopes to contend for a B10 title, much less a national championship. Nolen is too offensively challenged to be effective, and the myth about his great defense is the stuff of urban legend. Joseph should be playing SG. But given the situation, he clearly deserved PT ahead of Nolen, and I don't blame him for looking elsewhere once Tubby made his position clear.

The decision to transfer wasn't selfish at all. In fact, many people on this very board have pointed out that it would have been in Joseph's best interests to play out the season, THEN transfer.

Now Nolen might be out for the season, and everyone is bemoaning that fact. Well, you got what you asked for.
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You have some incredible holes in your argument there, chief...

first of all, nolen was reported to be having problems with family health, so much that they tried to get the NCAA to grant him a hardship waiver for it. Those aren't easy to come by, Tubby probably knows this and thought it was worth a shot anyways. second, devoe was suspended to start the season, after a good trip through canada. People have speculated that it could have been drug related, i have no clue. He came back to an undefeated team when nolen was hurt, they weren't playing particularely well with him starting, especially on the defensive end so tubby went back to what was working great to start the season, i dont get why that is so hard to see.
 

USAFChief said:
You're right. Joseph's the devil himself, and should have continued to sit on the bench waiting for the inferior player to hurt himself or quit again.
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Even though it was already pointed out that in the 3 games they played together this year, their minutes were almost equal. Yet you keep acting like Nolen played 40 minutes and Joseph never saw the floor.

I also love the "Why does Nolen walk back into a starters role, but not Joseph" comment. There are a couple of points you seem to not get or ignore about that:
1) You have no idea if Nolen was just given it back. He had all summer and fall to work hard and get himself out of the doghouse. All indications are that he did everything Tubby and staff asked him to do. Joseph got in trouble during the season, meaning he had to get himself out of the doghouse during the season.
2) Joseph got suspended at the beginning of the season. Joseph made the decision pretty easy for Tubby. If he doesn't get suspended, who knows who would have started and played more early in the season. I wouldn't have been surprised if Joseph was the starting PG at the beginning of the year.

Even with all that, Joseph's minutes were just fine so saying he wasn't getting enough playing time is ridiculous. If he had played the season out, I bet his minutes would be about equal to Nolen's and most people would be fine with that. That's fine if you think Nolen's defense and play making skills are overrated, but you can't deny that he was still better in those areas than Joseph.
 

USchief: Lots of people who post here don't need to refer to their vitae to support their views. I know it is hard - a good friend married a retired military man. Somehow he expects his word to mean more than anyone else's in every conversation on every topic because in his mind - he out ranks them.
While his service is much appreciated, he doesn't get a lot of invites.
Your name isn't Jim is it?
 

USAFChief said:
They're both quitters. I don't think I said differently.

Now you say it. By your logic.
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My apologies. You did say say it a few posts ago. I admit that in my overly quick response to your latest post I did forget that fact.

My logic is different. Suspensions aren't quitting in my book. I'd ask you again if you feel Devoe quit twice (which you haven't answered) but I don't see the need to go around further right now.
 

Moonlight said:
USchief: Lots of people who post here don't need to refer to their vitae to support their views. I know it is hard - a good friend married a retired military man. Somehow he expects his word to mean more than anyone else's in every conversation on every topic because in his mind - he out ranks them.
While his service is much appreciated, he doesn't get a lot of invites.
Your name isn't Jim is it?
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No, it's not Jim.

I responded to a question in another post, I did not bring it up. And as I said, it's not important.

GophersinIowa: Good points. I disagree somewhat (in the two conference games Nolen started and got 52 min, Joseph 42, even though Nolen was pretty putrid), but good points.
 

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