News on Flip Saunders

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I know the meaning of that word. Knowing the meaning of that word isn't going to instantly transform how I think and communicate.

Serious. I am who I am, I am the way that I am, because that is who I am, if you don't like it, SCROLL ON THROUGH, or put me on ignore or something. Damn dude. Seriously, FO you condescending prick.



Personally, I can't stand people who litter these forums with wasteful one liners. Cut all of those out and it might not take forever to get to the substance. BUT, I know that's how many people communicate and that many people think the place would be boring with nothing but substance, so you don't see me bitching about it. There is an ignore function, isn't there?!
 

And what's with ALL the venom coming from Bob Loblaw? He has about 100 plus post on this thread spewing hate. He's made the same point about 50 times.



I knew I wasn't the only one who saw this about Bob.
 

I know the meaning of that word. Knowing the meaning of that word isn't going to instantly transform how I think and communicate.

Serious. I am who I am, I am the way that I am, because that is who I am, if you don't like it, SCROLL ON THROUGH, or put me on ignore or something. Damn dude. Seriously, FO you condescending prick.



Personally, I can't stand people who litter these forums with wasteful one liners. Cut all of those out and it might not take forever to get to the substance. BUT, I know that's how many people communicate and that many people think the place would be boring with nothing but substance, so you don't see me bitching about it. There is an ignore function, isn't there?!

Heh, well-stated.

Personally, I have to confess as to having skipped past the vast majority of your posts, as I'm a huge fan of brevity and might honestly nod off given some the lengths of your posts, but that said, I've no problem with them either, nor with recognizing and understanding rhe right to express yourself as you feel. As you stated, you are who you are, we are who we are, so who gives one solitary crap the assortment sundry details in the end?

You're a Gophers fan, so clearly you're square in my book, so don't even worry the one-line critics.

We all want the exact same result, but we're all different, and coming from one thousand divergent directions and points the map.

Anyway, in the interest of keeping it brief- yeah, keep being exactly who you are, and keep on keepin' on.
 

Heh, well-stated.

Personally, I have to confess as to having skipped past the vast majority of your posts, as I'm a huge fan of brevity and might honestly nod off given some the lengths of your posts, but that said, I've no problem with them either, nor with recognizing and understanding rhe right to express yourself as you feel. As you stated, you are who you are, we are who we are, so who gives one solitary crap the assortment sundry details in the end?

You're a Gophers fan, so clearly you're square in my book, so don't even worry the one-line critics.

We all want the exact same result, but we're all different, and coming from one thousand divergent directions and points the map.

Anyway, in the interest of keeping it brief- yeah, keep being exactly who you are, and keep on keepin' on.


Thanks Seany, for your comments.

And its for guys like you that I DO try to be brief. I just forget sometimes or get carried away and then, well, you know, blah, blah, blah, lol.
 

Boston was able to do alright with KG despite his salary.

Draft picks. . .yeah, in some ways it was unfortunate.

It's been a little different situation for Adelman than for Flip. I don't think a conjoined twin of Wooden and Jackson could have gotten much out of a TWolves team who missed AK47, Love, Rubio and Budinger for significant time and Peck for a bit of time too. But I can see why you woudn't give him a pass this year playing with a our NBDL team of replacements and give Flip a pass for his "job" in Washington.

I did give Adelman a pass. He's got nothing to work with- just as I said. Same as Flip at Washington. Exactly my point.
 


I'm not fixated on the issue. This is a thread about hiring Flip Saunders as the next coach of the Gophers. I am as fixated on the subject as the people who are for him being hired. I'm just on the other side of the issue. I am not starting threads to bash Flip, I'm not going out of my way to bash Flip. I've commented on tons of threads with Flip where I didn't give my opinions on him. I'm as fixated/obsessed with Flip as anyone else who is arguing for the hiring. I'm just alone in my opinion (for the most part). I've commented all over the non-Flip Saunders threads.

I mostly agree with your take on Flip. Revisionist history takes place with both him (T-Wolves stint) and Mason on a similar level. Both inherited bad teams, both had a moderate amount of success, neither could take the next step despite given a number of years to try, both were fired, both had successors who were far worse than they were, both teams struggled for a number of years following their departure, both are now viewed as good coaches because they are compared to the lousy coaches that followed them. I've asked this question about Flip and still haven't gotten a response. We fired Tubby, whose teams were ok, because we want a coach that can elevate the program and bring us to the next level. When has Flip ever done that with the T-Wolves, Pistons, or Wizards?
 

Given no other TWolves coach has gotten the team anywhere near the playoffs, that seems to be pretty respectable IMO.



Peace Bro!;)

What other Timberwolves coach has had a top-5 NBA player like Garnett was during his years with the Wolves?
 

Not sure their is going to be any agreement on that one. Though he had KG and for a few years Marbury until Marbury's ego got in the way they had the makings of a good team. Though Brandon was a good PG, he was often injured and his status is what kept the TWolves from committing to Billups. Here is Billups Wikipedia write up, some of which directly quotes him.

"Billups was drafted third overall in the 1997 NBA Draft by the Boston Celtics. He did not mesh with new Celtics head coach Rick Pitino. Years later, Billups reflected on his stint his Boston, commenting, "That didn't help. That didn't give me a chance to really slow down and listen to myself, listen to the game and what's going on. I never really had that chance. It was a recipe for disaster there." In addition, the Celtics coaching staff did not know whether to play him as a point guard or shooting guard. 51 games later, Billups was traded to the Toronto Raptors in exchange for All-Star point guard Kenny Anderson on the last day of the 1997-98 NBA trading deadline. After a few months, Billups then played for his hometown Denver Nuggets, who traded him to the Orlando Magic. He was on the injured list until season's end due to an injured shoulder and never played a game for Orlando (he was included on the season-ending team photo, wearing jersey number 2). Among NBA circles, Billups was considered a draft bust.

Billups was signed by the Minnesota Timberwolves as a back-up to then point guard Terrell Brandon, who would mentor the troubled player alongside Sam Mitchell and Kevin Garnett. The two would work on shooting, scouting, decision-making and the other attributes that came with playing point guard in the NBA.

During the 2001-02 season, Brandon suffered a serious knee injury. Billups replaced him and had a breakthrough 2001–02 season. Timberwolves won 50 games before they were swept by Dallas in Round 1 of the playoffs, with Billups averaging 22 points per game in the series.After his breakthrough season, Billups became a free agent. Billups had wanted to return to Minnesota, however the Timberwolves were engulfed in salary-cap issues and wanted to see how Brandon would respond to his knee injury.

In June 2002, Billups signed a six-year, $35 million contract with the Detroit Pistons to be the team's new starting point guard.[4] When he signed with the Pistons, he was forced to take the number 1 because number 4 was retired in honor of Joe Dumars. Billups quickly earned respect from Pistons fans and colleagues for his tenacious defense and clutch shooting."

I will say the write-up does give a good amount of credit to Brandon helping him along with KG and Mitchell. Anyway, when Billups got to MN, he was a mess.

As for Sealy, in 8 years he was with 4 teams, the TWolves being his last. Over his career he averaged 10.1 Points per game.

Anyway, the crux of the matter concerning Flip's time with the TWolves is that I feel Flip got as much as he could from the talent he had. I am not sure spectacular is the right word, but I do fail to see his time coaching the TWolves as dissappointing, given the amount of times he made it. And though most of his playoff appearances were one and done, especially since he almost always came up against the Lakers, it was obvious from the play he was not given the overall team talent to succeed.

Given no other TWolves coach has gotten the team anywhere near the playoffs, that seems to be pretty respectable IMO.

Anyway, personally I seriously doubt NT is going to hire him. My point is that he is a legitimate fall back option and does bring some benefits both as a coach and someone many concerned with the BB program could get behind. Along with that, and truly this is just me, but he could very much be a father/mentor figure for the kids.

Peace Bro!;)

Long post: Are you sure you are not the member whose names is unpronouncable?
 

What other Timberwolves coach has had a top-5 NBA player like Garnett was during his years with the Wolves?

So he was able to develop players better than any other T-Wolves coach?




;)
 



I'm with Seany, thinking that Flip is a luxury to have as a back up plan. If he patiently waits while NT goes through his first round of candidates and still says yes, then he is also the ultimate team player.
 

I mostly agree with your take on Flip. Revisionist history takes place with both him (T-Wolves stint) and Mason on a similar level. Both inherited bad teams, both had a moderate amount of success, neither could take the next step despite given a number of years to try, both were fired, both had successors who were far worse than they were, both teams struggled for a number of years following their departure, both are now viewed as good coaches because they are compared to the lousy coaches that followed them. I've asked this question about Flip and still haven't gotten a response. We fired Tubby, whose teams were ok, because we want a coach that can elevate the program and bring us to the next level. When has Flip ever done that with the T-Wolves, Pistons, or Wizards?

You can have Anthony Grant. I'll take Flip. So would most of Minnesota. Very few who are discussing Flip are saying- "Flip or no one". Most are all in if we can get a serious star like Stevens or Smart (when that was on) or Williams or Hoiberg. Flip is a great option as an A option or as a fall back and for lots of reasons. There is no reason to take a chance on somebody (like Grant or others on the B list) with Flip in the picture. he would do a ton for the program.
 

You can have Anthony Grant. I'll take Flip. So would most of Minnesota. Very few who are discussing Flip are saying- "Flip or no one". Most are all in if we can get a serious star like Stevens or Smart (when that was on) or Williams or Hoiberg. Flip is a great option as an A option or as a fall back and for lots of reasons. There is no reason to take a chance on somebody (like Grant or others on the B list) with Flip in the picture. he would do a ton for the program.

Agreed, Flip would bring stability to a program that desperately needs it NOW. A ton of knowlege about Minn. bb and IMO would hire the proper assistants to really get the bb program in the upper tier of the BIG, before he decides to retire in 5-7 years and might take the job for significantly less which gives us help in the $$ dept.
 

Agreed, Flip would bring stability to a program that desperately needs it NOW. A ton of knowlege about Minn. bb and IMO would hire the proper assistants to really get the bb program in the upper tier of the BIG, before he decides to retire in 5-7 years and might take the job for significantly less which gives us help in the $$ dept.

like his son?
 



You can have Anthony Grant. I'll take Flip. So would most of Minnesota. Very few who are discussing Flip are saying- "Flip or no one". Most are all in if we can get a serious star like Stevens or Smart (when that was on) or Williams or Hoiberg. Flip is a great option as an A option or as a fall back and for lots of reasons. There is no reason to take a chance on somebody (like Grant or others on the B list) with Flip in the picture. he would do a ton for the program.

I don't want Anthony Grant, and I would take Flip over him. My list is Stevens, Buzz, and Hoiberg for names that have been thrown around. Any of those guys would be an upgrade. If this search gets to fallback option status, it's been a failure.
 

There is no evidence that Flip would hire his son. His son is gainfully employed in the NBA and may want to stay there. Flip may also want to save his son the reaction he would get form "fans" that think he only got the job because of his dad.
 

I don't want Anthony Grant, and I would take Flip over him. My list is Stevens, Buzz, and Hoiberg for names that have been thrown around. Any of those guys would be an upgrade. If this search gets to fallback option status, it's been a failure.

So what is your realistic top 3 since we have no chance for any of the 3 u want?
 

I mostly agree with your take on Flip. Revisionist history takes place with both him (T-Wolves stint) and Mason on a similar level. Both inherited bad teams, both had a moderate amount of success, neither could take the next step despite given a number of years to try, both were fired, both had successors who were far worse than they were, both teams struggled for a number of years following their departure, both are now viewed as good coaches because they are compared to the lousy coaches that followed them. I've asked this question about Flip and still haven't gotten a response. We fired Tubby, whose teams were ok, because we want a coach that can elevate the program and bring us to the next level. When has Flip ever done that with the T-Wolves, Pistons, or Wizards?

From Wikipedia

Saunders then later moved to the La Crosse (Wisconsin) Catbirds for five seasons (1989–94), where he won two CBA Championships, before coaching in 1994–95 with the Sioux Falls Skyforce. He also served as general manager (1991–93) and team president (1991–94) of the Catbirds. Saunders' impressive CBA tenure included seven consecutive seasons of 30 or more victories, two CBA championships (1990, 1992), two CBA Coach of the Year honors (1989, 1992) and 23 CBA-to-NBA player promotion
 

I know this much about Flip Saunders.............

.....he may have more assistant coaching connections than the two guys running Villa7. Just as importantly (and many people don't get this) he is connected to the high school coaches in THIS area, by virtue of his sheer inability to stay out of the gym! People think he was campaigning for the job by going to Tyus Jones or Reid Travis's game. Hell no! He loves basketball.

It has shown his whole career, and will shine thru to any potential recruits. Assistants do most of the bird dogging anyway and he would use his network + the Villa7 to make sure he had a great staff.
Flip Sauders is a people person, and is already heard more often on the airwaves than Woody himself! He would offer 5 times as much immediate fund raising benefit as anyone they can get. (with an exception to the 2 mid major gods Shaka/Stevens)

Having said all this, I have no idea if he wants the job or would demand too much $ etc.

He should at least be interviewed at length to get his ideas on the program and the search, becasue if he is not a top flight candidate....then neither is anyone else.
 

So what is your realistic top 3 since we have no chance for any of the 3 u want?

If we don't get a top guy, we should have kept Tubby. But I'll withhold any judgement until the hire is made.
 

From Wikipedia

Saunders then later moved to the La Crosse (Wisconsin) Catbirds for five seasons (1989–94), where he won two CBA Championships, before coaching in 1994–95 with the Sioux Falls Skyforce. He also served as general manager (1991–93) and team president (1991–94) of the Catbirds. Saunders' impressive CBA tenure included seven consecutive seasons of 30 or more victories, two CBA championships (1990, 1992), two CBA Coach of the Year honors (1989, 1992) and 23 CBA-to-NBA player promotion

Does the CBA even exist?
 

I don't want Anthony Grant, and I would take Flip over him. My list is Stevens, Buzz, and Hoiberg for names that have been thrown around. Any of those guys would be an upgrade. If this search gets to fallback option status, it's been a failure.

Sound liek we are in complete agreement galt. It's Flip time.
 


Flip Sauders is a people person, and is already heard more often on the airwaves than Woody himself! He would offer 5 times as much immediate fund raising benefit as anyone they can get. (with an exception to the 2 mid major gods Shaka/Stevens)

Having said all this, I have no idea if he wants the job or would demand too much $ etc.

He should at least be interviewed at length to get his ideas on the program and the search, becasue if he is not a top flight candidate....then neither is anyone else.

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Great thoughts on the matter!

You know, maybe our new norwood needs to be bought out and fired and we should bring Flip in as the AD! Nobody could sell the U of M better than Flip. Re: a potential buy out of our new norwood... (We could break the tradition of the extension for our new norwood BEFORE we buy him out and fire him! I'm just kidding...but...our new norwood and his involvement in this villa7 deal almost reeks of "conflict of interest..." in deciding who will be contacted for this open position. We all know our new norwood fancies himself as a basketball guy...but...it seems as though he and his assistant here at Minnesota who put that puppy together have a pretty large vested interest in that deal...

Sometimes things are not always what they may seem...but...sometimes things are exactly as they may seem...

; 0 )
 

norwood and his involvement in this villa7 deal almost reeks of "conflict of interest..." in deciding who will be contacted for this open position. We all know our new norwood fancies himself as a basketball guy...but...it seems as though he and his assistant here at Minnesota who put that puppy together have a pretty large vested interest in that deal...

Sometimes things are not always what they may seem...but...sometimes things are exactly as they may seem...

; 0 )


Good point, Wren. The same thought crossed my mind. If you Google Villa 7 they seem to have their tracks covered quite well at VCU, however.
 

Good point, Wren. The same thought crossed my mind. If you Google Villa 7 they seem to have their tracks covered quite well at VCU, however.

How is it a conflict of interests?

That's absurd.
 

Flip would not entertain the thought of hiring Ryan with so little experience and nepotism is long gone since Joel Maturi is long gone.

Plus Ryan Saunders has that gig with the Wizards that he earned by putting in his time in the coaching ranks.
 

How is it a conflict of interests?

That's absurd.

Is it? Suggest you check out the following link: sportleadership.vcu.edu/villa7/index,html

1) Villa 7 is a program being administered by VCU (part of the Center for Sports Leadership at VCU).

2) Mike Ellis is still listed as one of the contacts for the program and gives a phone number with a 612 area code and an Email address of [email protected].
 

Is it? Suggest you check out the following link: sportleadership.vcu.edu/villa7/index,html

1) Villa 7 is a program being administered by VCU (part of the Center for Sports Leadership at VCU).

2) Mike Ellis is still listed as one of the contacts for the program and gives a phone number with a 612 area code and an Email address of [email protected].

I know exactly what the Villa 7 is and I know who Mike Ellis is and his connection with the Villa 7. Now, I'd love to hear how Mike Ellis being a part of the Villa 7 is a conflict of interests.
 

Flip is my pick as well. But, I have a feeling that NT wants to do his thing, instead of the obvious (to many of us) choice. Hope NT knows what he is doing. We will see.
 

I know exactly what the Villa 7 is and I know who Mike Ellis is and his connection with the Villa 7. Now, I'd love to hear how Mike Ellis being a part of the Villa 7 is a conflict of interests.

Not saying it is. However, it may be construed by some as such. Think of it as something like you or me working for one company and being a consultant for a competitor. Ellis (and Teague) probably need to make sure they never use Villa 7 information for the benefit of the U of M that is not readily available to all other participants in Villa 7.
 




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