New info on WI going for 2

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Moderators, please lock this thread as there is no need for further comment after mine (unless people want to agree with my sunglasses take).

I have given this much thought and this is what I come up with:
Bielema is a d-bag but he is also passive aggressive.

However, he knows that people view him as a d-bag and is trying to hide this side of his personality. He also knows he is in tough with the tOSUs of the conference and doesn’t need to fire them up by beating on Minnesota.

In his heart, he knew he should kick the extra point but he is a bully and can’t stand (with legitimate reason) Brewster.

PS Just joking on the locking part- don't hate on me.

If BB wasn’t passive aggressive he would have run Clay off tackle for 2. No way we stop him and it reinforces that Brewster is his b*tch. That would have been crushing.

FWIW, I can’t believe he rocks the Oakley sunglasses on the sideline. What a joke.
 

josh087 said:
Are you really going to play the semantics card to get out of your ridiculous take? Good God.



You don't get it! Just because Brewster has this "target" (or whatever the H you are talking about) doesn't make the decision to go for 2 any better ethically (or sportsmanship-wise, or whatever the H the term you want to use).



Again, you don't get it. I'd be willing to bet a large sum that the players appreciate him standing up to Bielema and having their back.
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If you really think a strategical decision in a football game involves ethics and morality, then I think it's clear who doesn't get it. Just because you don't understand the difference, doesn't make it a semantic argument.

Regardless of how many times you say, "you don't get it."
 

Facts34 said:
A decision about attempting a 2-point conversion can be framed as a discussion about sportsmanship. It has NOTHING to do with ethics nor morality. We're talking about a strategic decision WITHIN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL.

My point about Brewster's trash talk over the years is that he created a giant target for himself. And if other teams want to beat the piss out of the Gophers BECAUSE of Brewster, then that's on Brewster.

I expect him to do exactly what he did, because he's proven that he's a complete putz. What he SHOULD have done was not even address it at all. But then he would lose the opportunity to deflect the real issues (he's awful, his team is awful, he was a collosal failure as a hire).
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Brewster has made a target of himself. I don't think even his most ardent supporters would discount that. I don't know if sportsmanship equates to ethics and morality (unless one coach were to kill another).

I see sportsmanship as exhibiting behavior consistent with the flow of the game. Bielema didn't do that. We can say "Hey! It's only a point." But that isn't the point. The point is it appears the decision was made simply to make a statement more than score an additional point.

All sports have their unwritten rules. You don't steal when you're up or down by a lot in baseball. Now show-boating when you're way up in basketball. I don't know what the unwritten rules are in lacrosse. Sorry. Basically, you stay within those confines and you don't get criticized.

Brewster may deserve to have a statement made against him, but I have always thought getting thrashed was statement enough. Bielema "stooped" here. He didn't have to. He could have joined Denny Green on the high road (LOL), but he didn't.

And if Monte Ball had reeled off a 60-yard run to make it 48-23, I wouldn't have minded. Monte needs his carries. If Bielema had chosen to put in Tolzien's back-up and thrown the ball a bit in the last six minutes, I also wouldn't have minded. Those guys need work and I wouldn't expect them to not try to get every yard they could get. But again, that is in what is now considered the normal flow of the game.

Those are my last thoughts on the subject.
 

People are quick to point out that Brew has a target on his back. Which other coaches in the BigTen has he offended? I know of only an issue with BB, which I believe is related to recruiting more than anything else.
 

Facts34 said:
If you really think a strategical decision in a football game involves ethics and morality, then I think it's clear who doesn't get it. Just because you don't understand the difference, doesn't make it a semantic argument.

Regardless of how many times you say, "you don't get it."
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Decisions whether they are made in a context of a game, business, family, your friends, etc. all involve choosing between right and wrong (hence, morals). Just because a decision on the football field is less important than a decision you make with your family, for example, doesn't mean you are not using morality or ethics during your thought process to make the decision.

When Ricky Davis or Bob Sura missed a shot on purpose to get a triple-double, you're seriously going to tell me and the rest of this board that they weren't choosing between right and wrong when they made the decision?
 


Ooops. I guess that wasn't my last thoughts. Maybe "target" is the wrong word. Maybe "needlessly opened himself up to criticism and maybe got on people's nerves in the process" is the phrase I was searching for. I don't imagine Big 10 coaches send each other Christmas cards and, for most, Brewster's chattering was accepted as being who he was.

I think the same might have been said about the late Terry Hoeppner, who was an effusive guy as well. Hoeppner was a more experienced football guy than Brewster and was generally admired by his cohorts, but he was a tireless optimist and talked up his team like there was no tomorrow.
 

grunkiejr said:
So basically you're trying to rationalize poor sportsmanship. You sound like a real Man of Principle Badgerbob.
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No, I never rationalized this or justified it in any way. What I did was admit this wasn't about any coaches card. It is about a pissing match between Bielema and Brewster. And I'm pointing out that Brewster went after BB first. Bitter rivals, border battle, recruiting turf issues and that should be enough. Brew called BB out four years ago. He made an unwarranted personal comment this year about BB being single. He got it stuck up his back end this year. Does it bother me? No. Would it bother me if I was on the receiving end? Yes. I may also want to take note if my guy started the deal and then ended up whinning about it later. I'm just offering this in the form of an explaination.

Interesting to note the national play this has gotten seems to have been split about 50/50. Some have taken Brewsters side and scolded BB. The other talking heads have said stop-em and quit whinning. After four years of running the Gopher program Brewster is reduced to complaining about a rival running it up. That is the principle I would be worried about if I were a Gopher fan.
 

so was westbrook trying to dunk on wisconsin at the buzzer last year ok?

Could badger fans fill me in on that?

Badger boards were up in arms about westbrook attempting it.
 

Badger1bob said:
No, I never rationalized this or justified it in any way. What I did was admit this wasn't about any coaches card. It is about a pissing match between Bielema and Brewster. And I'm pointing out that Brewster went after BB first. Bitter rivals, border battle, recruiting turf issues and that should be enough. Brew called BB out four years ago. He made an unwarranted personal comment this year about BB being single. He got it stuck up his back end this year. Does it bother me? No. Would it bother me if I was on the receiving end? Yes. I may also want to take note if my guy started the deal and then ended up whinning about it later. I'm just offering this in the form of an explaination.

Interesting to note the national play this has gotten seems to have been split about 50/50. Some have taken Brewsters side and scolded BB. The other talking heads have said stop-em and quit whinning. After four years of running the Gopher program Brewster is reduced to complaining about a rival running it up. That is the principle I would be worried about if I were a Gopher fan.
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I promise this will be my last entry on this tired topic, but you treat this as though it's an either/or, in that many Gopher fans are either really mad about Bielema's decision or we're mad about how Brewster is coaching and the Gophers are doing. It's not an either/or; it's a both/and. For many of us, we're ticked about both Bielema's decision and the Gophers' ineptitude from the coach on down.
 



It's probably relevant to note that Barry Alvarez has said that he would not have gone for two in that situation...
 

GoAUpher said:
Except that there are multiple articles in the MN papers today where the players said they appreciated him saying it because it made them feel like he had their back. But no, that couldn't have been the reason he did it...HAS to be that he was looking to deflect from the real issues (like anyone could ignore them anyway). Sheesh.
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I really think most of what Brewster says and does in these instances are meant to be in the best interest of the players (and maybe even recruits). I think he really cares about his players so he'll do what he can to defend them. When he says "we could easily be 5-0" I think that is his way of defending the players and his way of trying to give them confidence. Maybe his actions and comments are meant to deflect the real issues, but I tend to think otherwise in most cases, especially in this case.
 

50PoundHead said:
I promise this will be my last entry on this tired topic, but you treat this as though it's an either/or, in that many Gopher fans are either really mad about Bielema's decision or we're mad about how Brewster is coaching and the Gophers are doing. It's not an either/or; it's a both/and. For many of us, we're ticked about both Bielema's decision and the Gophers' ineptitude from the coach on down.
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Good point, I can beleive many Gopher fans are mad about both. I was just saying there is context here that should not go unnoticed.

While I don't feel bad for Brewster and part of me thinks his ranting was just a big act, I do feel bad for the MN players. That is what has been lost in all this. Those kids put a lot into the program year round. They compete hard. Hopefully things will get better for them, and I wish them well with a new coach, except against us.
 




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