New info on WI going for 2

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lumpywideass said:
We are halfway through the season and this is the first public show of BB's dickshine personality trait. He is progressing every year.
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No, not even close to the first time he's shown it.
 

Badger1bob said:
Putting aside all the smart ass "we couldn't go for three" comments and the like, the fact remains that Brewster asked for this. He got beat in recruiting on some MN kids and got steamed. He said BB was cocky and he was going to be the first one to run across the field and grab the axe. Gopher fans ate it up. BB responded by sprinting across the field to shake Brewster's hand in the last dome game. In essence, BB showed him up. If you write a check with your mouth, make sure your butt can cash it.

More recruiting battles and more hard feelings by Brewster who seems to lose at least one good one a year to the Badgers.

At the Big Ten kickoff meetings in Chicago each coach gets an opportunity to talk about his team and answer media questions. Brewster, during his segment this August, makes a crack about BB being single. If I remember correctly, it was something to the effect of we're all married and have families except Bielema. That has no revelance to the Gopher team and I cannot recall a precedent for one coach commenting on another coach's personal life. Maybe a coach is going through a divorce, it just has no revelance and Brewster again was setting himself up. He got a response Saturday. This had nothing to do with any coaching card. Brewster made this personal and then got pissy when BB retaliated. All this is just tough guy fodder for Gopher fans to respond to. You have a coach who basically could not settle on an offensive scheme until year four. He has, with a few exceptions, failed to recruit players on defense who can play at a winning level in this league. Here's a game where Brewster is unable to sell "we're close". I think the female sports writer in the Cities sumed it up best by saying Brewster seemed previously connected to some other universe.

By mid-December MN will have a new coach and my bet is he and BB will have a mutually respectful relationship. This will all be forgotten, and my guess it the Gophers will begin improving as a program.
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I reviewed the media pdf from the meetings and do not see anything regarding the "single" comment you reference. Were you actually at the meeting and was more said then what was placed in the pdf document?

Check for yourself:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2010BigTenKOLBrewster.pdf
 

I see the usual bunch of know-nothings, know-everythings and wish-to-know-a-little-somethings are alive and well and commenting on BB. You know, it's funny, because one of the most highly respected high school coaches in Minnesota does not share the opinion of experts on this board regarding BB as arrogant, stupid and dickly. My guess is that a bunch of well-respected Minnesota coaches have no bone to pick with BB. In fact, I watched his football show last week and found refreshing the man's ability to objectively analyze his team's shortcomings in its loss to MSU. He never once tried to cover up anything with excuses about effort or how many plays it would have taken to achieve a different result.

Here's my guess about the 2-point deal: Brewster has been running his mouth in more places than any of us could know about (let's see, there are meetings, conferences and the ever-popular recruiting trail) and BB intends to put him in his place at every opportunity. Fact is, make it or miss it, the notion that a coach can go for two with no worry about game consequences is pretty much putting the opposing coach in his place.
 

Max, that's the point. I couldn't give two craps about Bielema as a human being. The point is why did he have to put Brewster in "his place." Why wasn't winning soundly enough? Act like you've been there before.

And I'm sorry. The fact that he doesn't like Brewster isn't an excuse.
 

Punky Brewster continues to exercise Svengali-like mind control over the gopherhole denizens. It is easy to demonstrate the truth of this statement.

As soon as the game ends, Punky goes into a frenzy: Bielema has "dissed" him by going for two -- a cruel attempt to run up the score.

This gives Punky the opportunity to feign outrage during his press conference, and insures that the press on both sides of the border and the Gopher faithful will focus on this aspect of the game, thus shunting aside the hard truth: After four years at the helm, Punky is no closer to defeating Wisconsin than he was on the day he was hired. (Indeed he is further away, given the margin of victory with or without the two point conversion.)

Let's assume for a moment that Bielema WAS intending to "run up the score." Wisconsin's last possession began with more than five minutes on the clock. The Badgers used the rest of the 4th quarter running out the clock. This shows Punky's outrage for what it really was: classic misdirection.

Farewell, Punky. We will all surely miss you.
 


Going for two in that situation is going to raise a lot of eyebrows. It doesn't matter what level it is.
 

maxwellsmart said:
I see the usual bunch of know-nothings, know-everythings and wish-to-know-a-little-somethings are alive and well and commenting on BB. You know, it's funny, because one of the most highly respected high school coaches in Minnesota does not share the opinion of experts on this board regarding BB as arrogant, stupid and dickly. My guess is that a bunch of well-respected Minnesota coaches have no bone to pick with BB. In fact, I watched his football show last week and found refreshing the man's ability to objectively analyze his team's shortcomings in its loss to MSU. He never once tried to cover up anything with excuses about effort or how many plays it would have taken to achieve a different result.

Here's my guess about the 2-point deal: Brewster has been running his mouth in more places than any of us could know about (let's see, there are meetings, conferences and the ever-popular recruiting trail) and BB intends to put him in his place at every opportunity. Fact is, make it or miss it, the notion that a coach can go for two with no worry about game consequences is pretty much putting the opposing coach in his place.
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Then BB should have said he was running up the score instead of hiding behind the chart. He is no better than Brewster now because of that.
 

Brewster is the dick...he comes here and spouts off about how he can out work and out rectuit anyone. Kool Aid drinkers were in line to eat a mile of his shat just to see where it came from. Four years later everyone is learning that out working and out recruiting may sound good, but he just cannot out coach anyone.
I could care less about the two point conversion...that's like complaining that the hangman used an old rope. Either way, the result is the same...we got hammered.
 

Who cares. We got our A$$ kicked. I hope we have the chance someday to return the favor... but unfortunately, with the talent I see at UW, it probably isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Next year... nope. Next year after that at there place... not optimistic. Especially if Clay and Toon comes back for next year which I would expect they would.Their D returns almost everyone, plus they get Borland back next year.

We could concievably go a decade without beating them. At that point, how many people will remember a meaningless 2 pt conversion. Let's get to more important talk like how do we get back to respectability period.
 





Badger1bob said:
Putting aside all the smart ass "we couldn't go for three" comments and the like, the fact remains that Brewster asked for this. He got beat in recruiting on some MN kids and got steamed. He said BB was cocky and he was going to be the first one to run across the field and grab the axe. Gopher fans ate it up. BB responded by sprinting across the field to shake Brewster's hand in the last dome game. In essence, BB showed him up. If you write a check with your mouth, make sure your butt can cash it.

More recruiting battles and more hard feelings by Brewster who seems to lose at least one good one a year to the Badgers.

At the Big Ten kickoff meetings in Chicago each coach gets an opportunity to talk about his team and answer media questions. Brewster, during his segment this August, makes a crack about BB being single. If I remember correctly, it was something to the effect of we're all married and have families except Bielema. That has no revelance to the Gopher team and I cannot recall a precedent for one coach commenting on another coach's personal life. Maybe a coach is going through a divorce, it just has no revelance and Brewster again was setting himself up. He got a response Saturday. This had nothing to do with any coaching card. Brewster made this personal and then got pissy when BB retaliated. All this is just tough guy fodder for Gopher fans to respond to. You have a coach who basically could not settle on an offensive scheme until year four. He has, with a few exceptions, failed to recruit players on defense who can play at a winning level in this league. Here's a game where Brewster is unable to sell "we're close". I think the female sports writer in the Cities sumed it up best by saying Brewster seemed previously connected to some other universe.

By mid-December MN will have a new coach and my bet is he and BB will have a mutually respectful relationship. This will all be forgotten, and my guess it the Gophers will begin improving as a program.
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Screw that crap. Brewster didn't start this, your POS cocky mf coach did. He's been an immature little ahole his whole career. Don't deny it, it fits your club perfectly.
Hopefully karma bites him and your drunken sconnie team bad. I'm thinking something like freak injuries and an offseason expose' on BB that makes Farve and Tiger woods look like angels.
 

RodentRampage said:
Going for two in that situation is going to raise a lot of eyebrows. It doesn't matter what level it is.[/

Brewster is not a good coach.
Bielema is a jerk.
Both statements are true. One doesn't excuse the other.
It's a jerk move at any level against any coach or team.
He has the right to do it, he will just have to deal with the criticism.
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eag35 said:
Brewster is the dick...he comes here and spouts off about how he can out work and out rectuit anyone. Kool Aid drinkers were in line to eat a mile of his shat just to see where it came from. Four years later everyone is learning that out working and out recruiting may sound good, but he just cannot out coach anyone.
I could care less about the two point conversion...that's like complaining that the hangman used an old rope. Either way, the result is the same...we got hammered.
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I guess it's all we have to talk about right now. It's not much of a debate anymore if Brewster should get fired. Or if we are bad or not. The Weber/Gray thing has been beaten to death.
 

Brewster is not a good coach.
Bielema is a jerk.
Both statements are true. One doesn't excuse the other.
It's a jerk move at any level against any coach or team.
He has the right to do it, he will just have to deal with the criticism.

Can we do this in the form of a syllogism?
 

eag35 said:
Brewster is the dick...he comes here and spouts off about how he can out work and out rectuit anyone. Kool Aid drinkers were in line to eat a mile of his shat just to see where it came from. Four years later everyone is learning that out working and out recruiting may sound good, but he just cannot out coach anyone.
I could care less about the two point conversion...that's like complaining that the hangman used an old rope. Either way, the result is the same...we got hammered.
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When did Brewster ever say "I can out recruit anyone"? Good luck finding that quote. Did he say he outworked everyone? If you're going to rave about him "spouting off" at least have something HONEST to complain about. The fact is that Brewster did have a reputation as a great recruiter. It very well may me that the next coach will find a lot of talent to work with. Mason did win 9 games in 1999 with mostly Wacker recruits.
 

There are apparently a lot of "Densa" members among the Minnesota football faithful.

If Bielema WAS trying to run up the score, why didn't he use the last five minutes of the game to do so?

Everything else is just Punky Brewster misdirection. The words flow out of Punky's mouth and the idiots latch onto them like they were divine revelations.

Your problem is that what Punky said was a lie, as evidenced by Wisconsin's final possession. Bielema may have had enough time to score two more touchdowns, given the state of the Minnesota defense in the 4th quarter.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Then BB should have said he was running up the score instead of hiding behind the chart. He is no better than Brewster now because of that.
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Well, except for his won-loss record. But we all know record books are there to report the relative classiness and lack of dickedness of teams' coaches,not the actual games.
 

RodentRampage said:
When did Brewster ever say "I can out recruit anyone"? Good luck finding that quote. Did he say he outworked everyone? If you're going to rave about him "spouting off" at least have something HONEST to complain about. The fact is that Brewster did have a reputation as a great recruiter. It very well may me that the next coach will find a lot of talent to work with. Mason did win 9 games in 1999 with mostly Wacker recruits.
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8 Games...
 

UliKunkel said:
There are apparently a lot of "Densa" members among the Minnesota football faithful.

If Bielema WAS trying to run up the score, why didn't he use the last five minutes of the game to do so?

Everything else is just Punky Brewster misdirection. The words flow out of Punky's mouth and the idiots latch onto them like they were divine revelations.

Your problem is that what Punky said was a lie, as evidenced by Wisconsin's final possession. Bielema may have had enough time to score two more touchdowns, given the state of the Minnesota defense in the 4th quarter.
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Liar.

If you actually believed that, you would need major brain surgery.
 

thailleagle said:
8 Games...
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You're correct, it was 8 games. My point is still valid, it was done with a lot of Wacker recruits. The final verdict on Brewster's ability as a recruiter won't be known until the next coach has had a chance to do something with these players.
 

UliKunkel said:
There are apparently a lot of "Densa" members among the Minnesota football faithful.

If Bielema WAS trying to run up the score, why didn't he use the last five minutes of the game to do so?

Everything else is just Punky Brewster misdirection. The words flow out of Punky's mouth and the idiots latch onto them like they were divine revelations.

Your problem is that what Punky said was a lie, as evidenced by Wisconsin's final possession. Bielema may have had enough time to score two more touchdowns, given the state of the Minnesota defense in the 4th quarter.
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I can't speak for Brewster, but if Bielema had put in his 2nd and 3rd string guys and scored three more TDs, I wouldn't have complained at all. You want to get your subs quality work doing more than kneeling down and that's how the game is played nowadays.

The game is normally not played with 2-point conversion attempts when you're up 25. I'm sticking to my point that Bielema did it to put a thumb in Brewster's eye. You obviously hate Brewster, so you don't seem to mind that. I like Brewster (but don't think he's a particularly good coach and he's going to get fired) and I don't think any coach deserves blatant levels of disrespect from the opposition.
 

Au contraire. I love Coach Brewster. I fully support him receiving a multi-year contract extension. He should be given all the time he needs to demonstrate what he can accomplish.

Rodent -- THINK about it. Why would Bielema waste the last five plus minutes of the game if he really wanted to "run up the score."

Brilliant misdirection on Coach Brewster's part.
 

Their both fools!

Brewster is very naive and foolish - talk is cheap - that is all he has done in four years. I think that irritated senior Big Ten coaches who have accomplished exactly what Brewster promised but has failed to do. BB was immature enough to pay attention to Brewster's nonsense and thus has made a fool of himself by rubbing it in and then making up some ridiculous excuse. Shame on both of them.
 

UliKunkel said:
Au contraire. I love Coach Brewster. I fully support him receiving a multi-year contract extension. He should be given all the time he needs to demonstrate what he can accomplish.

Rodent -- THINK about it. Why would Bielema waste the last five plus minutes of the game if he really wanted to "run up the score."

Brilliant misdirection on Coach Brewster's part.
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His opportunity to score 50 ended when the 2 point conversion failed. I have thought about it, and at any level from pee-wee to the NFL, this is considered classless.
 

Bengals said:
Brewster is very naive and foolish - talk is cheap - that is all he has done in four years. I think that irritated senior Big Ten coaches who have accomplished exactly what Brewster promised but has failed to do. BB was immature enough to pay attention to Brewster's nonsense and thus has made a fool of himself by rubbing it in and then making up some ridiculous excuse. Shame on both of them.
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There have been many coaches in the Big Ten who have been flops. Why should Brewster being a flop irritate any coach? Surely other coaches who have done poorly should have "irritated" other coaches.
 

Bielema was running up the score.
Brewster was pissed.
Believing anything else is giving both of them too much credit.
 


RodentRampage said:
There have been many coaches in the Big Ten who have been flops. Why should Brewster being a flop irritate any coach? Surely other coaches who have done poorly should have "irritated" other coaches.
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My point was Brewster's bravado irritated them, not his poor record.
 


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