New info on WI going for 2

[Badger1bob]

I reviewed the media pdf from the meetings and do not see anything regarding the "single" comment you reference. Were you actually at the meeting and was more said then what was placed in the pdf document?

Check for yourself:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2010BigTenKOLBrewster.pdf

It is referenced on the Buckyville board by a poster who was there. Reading that post jogged my memory of the clip being played on TV here in Madison. I did not offer a quote because I'm not sure exactly the words TB used.

 

[BigTenfan]

Screw that crap. Brewster didn't start this, your POS cocky mf coach did. He's been an immature little ahole his whole career. Don't deny it, it fits your club perfectly.
Hopefully karma bites him and your drunken sconnie team bad. I'm thinking something like freak injuries and an offseason expose' on BB that makes Farve and Tiger woods look like angels.

Wow, now that is real display of class. You're upset because BB went for a whole extra 1 point and so you hope student athletes get injured.

 

[Badger1bob]

Screw that crap. Brewster didn't start this, your POS cocky mf coach did. He's been an immature little ahole his whole career. Don't deny it, it fits your club perfectly.
Hopefully karma bites him and your drunken sconnie team bad. I'm thinking something like freak injuries and an offseason expose' on BB that makes Farve and Tiger woods look like angels.

Obviously Ole, you're not going to let the facts get in the way of making this argument. So far BB has responded to TB. Show me one quote where he said something negative about TB. Far as I can tell the worst he said was "we consider MN instate recruiting." No you can take a shot at that and say it's bold, but it's not a personal reference to Brew. As I noted we seem to get one every year, see Tyler Martz committment.

 

[GoAUpher]

Obviously Ole, you're not going to let the facts get in the way of making this argument. So far BB has responded to TB. Show me one quote where he said something negative about TB. Far as I can tell the worst he said was "we consider MN instate recruiting." No you can take a shot at that and say it's bold, but it's not a personal reference to Brew. As I noted we seem to get one every year, see Tyler Martz committment.

I'd point out that while Ole was calling him an immature ahole he didn't say that was b/c BB said things about or to Brew. Even BB has admitted earlier this season in interviews that he thinks he needed to "grow up" a little from the coach he was early on. Going for 2 (aka pulling a Kiffin) seems to indicate that he isn't all the way there yet.

 

[GophersInIowa]

Well, except for his won-loss record. But we all know record books are there to report the relative classiness and lack of dickedness of teams' coaches,not the actual games.

Obviously I didn't mean that he is a better overall coach than Brewster.

 

[Omega015]

ahh I think some one should check out how much money he had on the game wisc needed to cover 23...

It wasn't to cover the 23. The over/under was 58, and the score was 41-16. 1 gets a push, 2 gets the over. Of course right after Wisky failed on the conversion, we went right down the field to go over 58. Probably a coincidence, but there was money to be made by someone.

 

[GopherTwin]

It is referenced on the Buckyville board by a poster who was there. Reading that post jogged my memory of the clip being played on TV here in Madison. I did not offer a quote because I'm not sure exactly the words TB used.

You made it sound as if it was during the interview that the comment was made. I also took a look at the video (not just the audio) and did not see any reference to "single" or even a reference to the Wisconsin coach. Am I missing something?

 

[Bengals]

You really don't think coaches pay attention to other coaches press conferences do you?

Did BB sprint across the field after last year's game?

 

[maroonfive]

It varied from year to year but my high school always had good teams but some years we did not have a kicker and always went for 2 points. Go figure.

Go Gophers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Badger1bob]

You made it sound as if it was during the interview that the comment was made. I also took a look at the video (not just the audio) and did not see any reference to "single" or even a reference to the Wisconsin coach. Am I missing something?

Here's a link to the Buckyville board thread. Scroll to the end of the page. This thread reminded me of seeing a Madison TV clip of TB making the comment. Looks like it was not in his first comments to the media in Chicago, but that's not the point is it?

http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/34552

 

[tap]

I don't think brent enema can count past 10. After all he coaches at sconnie and didn't he go to iowa?

 

[Triple D]

If Bielema WAS trying to run up the score, why didn't he use the last five minutes of the game to do so?

I can't believe this is even a rational thought. So, imagine you have a kid who plays football and his team is getting waxed and the opposing coach goes for 2. You wouldn't be mad?

I guess you would be OK with your kid getting checked hard and the other team continuing to press and shoot at your goalie in a blow out hockey game with only 2 minutes left, this is the same thing, poor sportsmanship, plain and simple.

 

[Gopher Bandanna Guy]

It wasn't to cover the 23. The over/under was 58, and the score was 41-16. 1 gets a push, 2 gets the over. Of course right after Wisky failed on the conversion, we went right down the field to go over 58. Probably a coincidence, but there was money to be made by someone.

That was actually exactly what I was thinking. With 6 minutes to go, had Wisconsin gotten the 2pt conversion to go, they cover the over in case the Gophers couldn't score again. And if the Gophers did manage to score again, the pressure was off Wisconsin to look like jerks going for another score with very little time on the clock.

Conspiratorial to be sure. And a weird coincidence if nothing else.

 

[holereader]

maybe he did need a coaching card....

on how to get to 50 from 41

 

[Formo]

Au contraire. I love Coach Brewster. I fully support him receiving a multi-year contract extension. He should be given all the time he needs to demonstrate what he can accomplish.

Rodent -- THINK about it. Why would Bielema waste the last five plus minutes of the game if he really wanted to "run up the score."

Brilliant misdirection on Coach Brewster's part.

You are a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing moron.

When you are up by 25 points and you choose to go for 2, you are most SURELY running up the score. You NEVER go for 2 unless you don't have a kicker or you absolutely need it.

That said, if the Gophers can't stop the opposition, they have EVERY right to run up the score.

 

[GopherTwin]

Here's a link to the Buckyville board thread. Scroll to the end of the page. This thread reminded me of seeing a Madison TV clip of TB making the comment. Looks like it was not in his first comments to the media in Chicago, but that's not the point is it?

http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/34552

Well, I disagree. You seem to make a big deal regarding this in your original post as to why the 2point conversion was attempted. I was just trying to find out if the story was true. I read the post from buckyville and just because somebody says it is so does not necessarily make it so. I am just trying to find out if this discretion is fact or just badger propaganda.

 

[Badger1bob]

Well, I disagree. You seem to make a big deal regarding this in your original post as to why the 2point conversion was attempted. I was just trying to find out if the story was true. I read the post from buckyville and just because somebody says it is so does not necessarily make it so. I am just trying to find out if this discretion is fact or just badger propaganda.

I distinctly recall seeing Brewster make the comment in a Madison TV clip. The post I linked prompted my recall of it and how it was remarkable for being an odd and unnecessary remark. So call me and the other poster a liar if you wish; in the end most people believe what they want to believe.

 

[monk10]

I see the usual bunch of know-nothings, know-everythings and wish-to-know-a-little-somethings are alive and well and commenting on BB. You know, it's funny, because one of the most highly respected high school coaches in Minnesota does not share the opinion of experts on this board regarding BB as arrogant, stupid and dickly. My guess is that a bunch of well-respected Minnesota coaches have no bone to pick with BB. In fact, I watched his football show last week and found refreshing the man's ability to objectively analyze his team's shortcomings in its loss to MSU. He never once tried to cover up anything with excuses about effort or how many plays it would have taken to achieve a different result.

Here's my guess about the 2-point deal: Brewster has been running his mouth in more places than any of us could know about (let's see, there are meetings, conferences and the ever-popular recruiting trail) and BB intends to put him in his place at every opportunity. Fact is, make it or miss it, the notion that a coach can go for two with no worry about game consequences is pretty much putting the opposing coach in his place.

I'm not sure I understand your analysis. You praise him for not trying to cover up anything with excuses, and he has come out multiple times since Saturday to state it was nothing more then a decision based on the coach's card, and then you make a guess that he is trying to put Brewster in his place?

Can you maybe help me understand what you mean?

 

[grunkiejr]

Putting aside all the smart ass "we couldn't go for three" comments and the like, the fact remains that Brewster asked for this. He got beat in recruiting on some MN kids and got steamed. He said BB was cocky and he was going to be the first one to run across the field and grab the axe. Gopher fans ate it up. BB responded by sprinting across the field to shake Brewster's hand in the last dome game. In essence, BB showed him up. If you write a check with your mouth, make sure your butt can cash it.

More recruiting battles and more hard feelings by Brewster who seems to lose at least one good one a year to the Badgers.

At the Big Ten kickoff meetings in Chicago each coach gets an opportunity to talk about his team and answer media questions. Brewster, during his segment this August, makes a crack about BB being single. If I remember correctly, it was something to the effect of we're all married and have families except Bielema. That has no revelance to the Gopher team and I cannot recall a precedent for one coach commenting on another coach's personal life. Maybe a coach is going through a divorce, it just has no revelance and Brewster again was setting himself up. He got a response Saturday. This had nothing to do with any coaching card. Brewster made this personal and then got pissy when BB retaliated. All this is just tough guy fodder for Gopher fans to respond to. You have a coach who basically could not settle on an offensive scheme until year four. He has, with a few exceptions, failed to recruit players on defense who can play at a winning level in this league. Here's a game where Brewster is unable to sell "we're close". I think the female sports writer in the Cities sumed it up best by saying Brewster seemed previously connected to some other universe.

By mid-December MN will have a new coach and my bet is he and BB will have a mutually respectful relationship. This will all be forgotten, and my guess it the Gophers will begin improving as a program.

So basically you're trying to rationalize poor sportsmanship. You sound like a real Man of Principle Badgerbob.

 

[Facts34]

Brewster is a complete idiot. And a completely incompetent head coach. He's also an annoying loudmouth who has made his own bed.

Which makes Maturi most culpable.

These are the relevant issues. Wisconsin going for 2 in yet another drubbing of Brew's Crew? Not even worth the time it took to type this.

We looks like idiots giving it any discussion at all.

 

[TCF=UnitedWeStand]

I see the usual bunch of know-nothings, know-everythings and wish-to-know-a-little-somethings are alive and well and commenting on BB. You know, it's funny, because one of the most highly respected high school coaches in Minnesota does not share the opinion of experts on this board regarding BB as arrogant, stupid and dickly. My guess is that a bunch of well-respected Minnesota coaches have no bone to pick with BB. In fact, I watched his football show last week and found refreshing the man's ability to objectively analyze his team's shortcomings in its loss to MSU. He never once tried to cover up anything with excuses about effort or how many plays it would have taken to achieve a different result.

Here's my guess about the 2-point deal: Brewster has been running his mouth in more places than any of us could know about (let's see, there are meetings, conferences and the ever-popular recruiting trail) and BB intends to put him in his place at every opportunity. Fact is, make it or miss it, the notion that a coach can go for two with no worry about game consequences is pretty much putting the opposing coach in his place.

You mean Beilema comes across to high school coaches at great high school programs who are coaching players he's recruiting as being a really good guy? I wonder if that factors into how he treats them, vs other people? Nope, no... He is definitely a great guy then.

 

[dpodoll68]

Brewster is a complete idiot. And a completely incompetent head coach. He's also an annoying loudmouth who has made his own bed.

Which makes Maturi most culpable.

These are the relevant issues. Wisconsin going for 2 in yet another drubbing of Brew's Crew? Not even worth the time it took to type this.

We looks like idiots giving it any discussion at all.

If standing up for good sportmanship, good morals and ethics, and treating other people like decent human beings makes me an idiot, then I guess I'm the biggest idiot ever.

 

[Facts34]

If standing up for good sportmanship, good morals and ethics, and treating other people like decent human beings makes me an idiot, then I guess I'm the biggest idiot ever.

If you want to make an argument that good sportsmanship was breached, I'll listen to it. I'll disagree, but I can hear that argument.

This has absolutely nothing to do with morality and ethics, however.

Our coach is a dope who came in blowing hot air from day one - and has failed miserably to back it up. For him to get his back up about another coach being mean to him and his program . . . how pathetic.

 

[josh087]

If you want to make an argument that good sportsmanship was breached, I'll listen to it. I'll disagree, but I can hear that argument.

If you want to make an argument that good sportsmanship was not breached by Bielema, you are as delusional as Brewster.

This has absolutely nothing to do with morality and ethics, however.

Yes, actually it does. That's precisely why he was upset.

Our coach is a dope who came in blowing hot air from day one - and has failed miserably to back it up

True, but what is your point? Just Because Brew has made mistakes and has a lousy team doesn't give Bielema a green light ethical-wise to go for two - much in the same way that if a girl makes a mistake and gets drunk at a party doesn't mean there is a green light to pull a Dominic Jones.

For him to get his back up about another coach being mean to him and his program . . . how pathetic

He was getting upset to protect his players. What is he supposed to say? "We can't stop them so they should have gone for two. We really suck!"

 

[Facts34]

A decision about attempting a 2-point conversion can be framed as a discussion about sportsmanship. It has NOTHING to do with ethics nor morality. We're talking about a strategic decision WITHIN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL.

My point about Brewster's trash talk over the years is that he created a giant target for himself. And if other teams want to beat the piss out of the Gophers BECAUSE of Brewster, then that's on Brewster.

I expect him to do exactly what he did, because he's proven that he's a complete putz. What he SHOULD have done was not even address it at all. But then he would lose the opportunity to deflect the real issues (he's awful, his team is awful, he was a collosal failure as a hire).

 

[GoAUpher]

What he SHOULD have done was not even address it at all. But then he would lose the opportunity to deflect the real issues (he's awful, his team is awful, he was a collosal failure as a hire).

Except that there are multiple articles in the MN papers today where the players said they appreciated him saying it because it made them feel like he had their back. But no, that couldn't have been the reason he did it...HAS to be that he was looking to deflect from the real issues (like anyone could ignore them anyway). Sheesh.

 

[Facts34]

Except that there are multiple articles in the MN papers today where the players said they appreciated him saying it because it made them feel like he had their back. But no, that couldn't have been the reason he did it...HAS to be that he was looking to deflect from the real issues (like anyone could ignore them anyway). Sheesh.

Fair enough. But either I am giving him way too little credit . . . or you are giving him way too much.

Then again, how many phony rallying points are going to come and go - without any positive results? Maybe they'll beat Purdue. Let's hope so.

 

[josh087]

A decision about attempting a 2-point conversion can be framed as a discussion about sportsmanship. It has NOTHING to do with ethics nor morality. We're talking about a strategic decision WITHIN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL

Are you really going to play the semantics card to get out of your ridiculous take? Good God.

My point about Brewster's trash talk over the years is that he created a giant target for himself. And if other teams want to beat the piss out of the Gophers BECAUSE of Brewster, then that's on Brewster.

You don't get it! Just because Brewster has this "target" (or whatever the H you are talking about) doesn't make the decision to go for 2 any better ethically (or sportsmanship-wise, or whatever the H the term you want to use).

I expect him to do exactly what he did, because he's proven that he's a complete putz. What he SHOULD have done was not even address it at all. But then he would lose the opportunity to deflect the real issues (he's awful, his team is awful, he was a collosal failure as a hire).

Again, you don't get it. I'd be willing to bet a large sum that the players appreciate him standing up to Bielema and having their back.

 

[josh087]

Fair enough. But either I am giving him way too little credit . . . or you are giving him way too much.

Then again, how many phony rallying points are going to come and go - without any positive results? Maybe they'll beat Purdue. Let's hope so.

I think you are missing the big picture. Just because I think he did the right thing with Bielema doesn't mean I support him as the head coach. I hope Brewster gets fired tomorrow.

 

[GoAUpher]

Fair enough. But either I am giving him way too little credit . . . or you are giving him way too much.

Then again, how many phony rallying points are going to come and go - without any positive results? Maybe they'll beat Purdue. Let's hope so.

I'm not saying it comes to anything. And I'm sure its possible that he did it to deflect coverage. But I think Occam's Razor applies. Brew is an emotional guy. The 2 point attempt pissed him off. He decided to vent during the presser which makes him feel better b/c he gets to call BB a dick in presser friendly language and it shows his kids that he has their back. Win win for Brew.

The reason I find the "deflect from other problems" idea so humorous is that you can't talk about the 2 point conversion without inevitably talking about the other problems. So why raise it for that reason?