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Two 40 point performances in class 3A today.

Groves (44) for Orono and Ferguson (41) from Duluth Denfeld.

Orono was 4 seed against DeLaSalle Groves 14-25 and 15 made FTs. 11rb and 6ast.
Ferguson was against TG and was 13-28 and 13FTs.

Wayzata the 2 seed was up 2 with 7 minutes to go and pulled away from Moorhead to win by 9.

Cretin won big and will play Maple Grove (won big over Apple Valley) on Thursday.
Wayzata get winning of Shakopee and Anoka who is in progress.

Mankato East won by 40 and will play Orono
TG gets winner of Byron/Alexandria
 


Shakopee has won 17 in a row and 21 of last 22. Had a few injuries early in the season but have been fully healthy during this run. I think they have a good chance to beat Wayzata.
 

Caledonia and Albany Friday night should be a good one. Feel like these are two best teams in division. Orono may be playing as well as any team in the state and hoping Shakopee beats Wayzata just cause.
 
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Blackhammer said:
Caledonia and Albany Friday night should be a good one. Feel like these are two best teams in division. Orono may be playing as well as any team in the state and hoping Shakopee beats Wayzata just cause.
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Orono and East should be really good. Got some friend connections to the East team and would be awesome to see them go out on top.
 


It's a joke that there are four classes. There should be three classes tops. The difference between the top 4-5 teams in 3A and the top teams in 4A is nothing. We don't get to see the best teams play one another.
 

Tucker32 said:
It's a joke that there are four classes. There should be three classes tops. The difference between the top 4-5 teams in 3A and the top teams in 4A is nothing. We don't get to see the best teams play one another.
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Agree. Do you think they have to go 4 classes because there are so many teams? I can’t believe how many charter schools there are…
 



Tucker32 said:
It's a joke that there are four classes. There should be three classes tops. The difference between the top 4-5 teams in 3A and the top teams in 4A is nothing. We don't get to see the best teams play one another.
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Run into some of the same issues with metro vs out state advantages in open enrollment and resources. It's been nearly 30 years of 4 classes.

I think 3 would be ideal, but I don't see it happening. I'd prefer they just make 4A larger and make 1A smaller by shifting teams.
 

I have thought some of these schools could play up? Minnehaha hid.. TG and DeLasalle never have.. CDH obviously gets transfers but they have always played up…
 

Roland Brooks said:
Agree. Do you think they have to go 4 classes because there are so many teams? I can’t believe how many charter schools there are…
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That, and a lot of push by coaches association to have more spots. I think the league should push back and go to 2-3 - would increase attendance a lot.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Run into some of the same issues with metro vs out state advantages in open enrollment and resources. It's been nearly 30 years of 4 classes.

I think 3 would be ideal, but I don't see it happening. I'd prefer they just make 4A larger and make 1A smaller by shifting teams.
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That's another way you could do it. I agree hard to shift, especially with push from coaches association.
 



Tucker32 said:
That, and a lot of push by coaches association to have more spots. I think the league should push back and go to 2-3 - would increase attendance a lot.
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They've pushed over 10,000 on championship Saturday and change 2A and 3A around to deal with some of the crowds.

Championship Saturday this year for boys and girls is

1A at 11am
3A at 1pm
2A at 5pm
4A at 8pm
 

MaxyJR1 said:
They've pushed over 10,000 on championship Saturday and change 2A and 3A around to deal with some of the crowds.

Championship Saturday this year for boys and girls is

1A at 11am
3A at 1pm
2A at 5pm
4A at 8pm
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Yes, but none of the individual games push 10k. If they could merge 3A/4A they would get much more of a draw from some addtl fans. It's just unfortunate it became such a big deal to have teams at state. Winning districts and advancing to sections in the past was a huge deal - long time ago - but actually a lot more fun than it is now. Getting to state not even that big of a deal with how first round games are handled and played on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's all been really watered down.
 

Tucker32 said:
Yes, but none of the individual games push 10k. If they could merge 3A/4A they would get much more of a draw from some addtl fans. It's just unfortunate it became such a big deal to have teams at state. Winning districts and advancing to sections in the past was a huge deal - long time ago - but actually a lot more fun than it is now. Getting to state not even that big of a deal with how first round games are handled and played on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's all been really watered down.
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It's a better TV product now. Back when our team went to state in the 90's they flipped back and forth on TV from Williams arena to the St. Paul Civic Center and didn't stick to one quarterfinal as they were played at the same time. Now you can stream them.

I agree that districts and sections were much more of a big deal and getting to state was hard. We played 3 sub-section/district games and then 2 section games to get to state.

If they went to three classes and had three games on Championship Saturday you'd likely get more people to stick around for the Big Schools at a chance to see a non metro team play a metro in the final.

I think the last game that was like that was when Buffalo beat Armstrong in the championship.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It's a better TV product now. Back when our team went to state in the 90's they flipped back and forth on TV from Williams arena to the St. Paul Civic Center and didn't stick to one quarterfinal as they were played at the same time. Now you can stream them.

I agree that districts and sections were much more of a big deal and getting to state was hard. We played 3 sub-section/district games and then 2 section games to get to state.

If they went to three classes and had three games on Championship Saturday you'd likely get more people to stick around for the Big Schools at a chance to see a non metro team play a metro in the final.

I think the last game that was like that was when Buffalo beat Armstrong in the championship.
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That would be more fun. And, to be honest, having a packed house at Mankato State or Maturi Pavilion for a big section final is more fun than some of these first round games. This would be a fun topic to sit down over a few beers and figure out :)
 

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MaxyJR1 said:
It's a better TV product now. Back when our team went to state in the 90's they flipped back and forth on TV from Williams arena to the St. Paul Civic Center and didn't stick to one quarterfinal as they were played at the same time. Now you can stream them.

I agree that districts and sections were much more of a big deal and getting to state was hard. We played 3 sub-section/district games and then 2 section games to get to state.

If they went to three classes and had three games on Championship Saturday you'd likely get more people to stick around for the Big Schools at a chance to see a non metro team play a metro in the final.

I think the last game that was like that was when Buffalo beat Armstrong in the championship.
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Buffalo is more or less a metro school nowadays since they're in the Lake Conference.
 

balds said:
Shakopee winning it would be great. Played together since 4th grade. Hate to see the transfer schools win (Wayzata/Cretin). Like Breck beating Lake City in 2A last year.
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I don't think Wayzata is so much a transfer school. They're just so much larger than anyone else.
It's extremely difficult to open enroll here because the schools are all so full and growing.

Just looking at my son's grade (7th) between travel and SW league, there are about 130 boys playing basketball, and that doesn't count the kids playing on the middle school teams that aren't playing in the other two leagues. So if we say 150-160 kids per grade - only maybe 8 will get varsity spots in high school. The pool is just huge for schools like Wayzata and Minnetonka (which has even more teams, but they are definitely heavy into open enrollment.)
 

disco said:
Buffalo is more or less a metro school nowadays since they're in the Lake Conference.
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I agree they are metro. They are dropping back to 5A in football and back when they won they were not in the LAKE.

Now it would be like Mankato East, Alexandria, Marshall winning it all.
 

disco said:
I don't think Wayzata is so much a transfer school. They're just so much larger than anyone else.
It's extremely difficult to open enroll here because the schools are all so full and growing.

Just looking at my son's grade (7th) between travel and SW league, there are about 130 boys playing basketball, and that doesn't count the kids playing on the middle school teams that aren't playing in the other two leagues. So if we say 150-160 kids per grade - only maybe 8 will get varsity spots in high school. The pool is just huge for schools like Wayzata and Minnetonka (which has even more teams, but they are definitely heavy into open enrollment.)
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Was referencing Wiggins (Benilde) and Anderson (Eden Prairie). Two key pieces that transferred in specifically to try to win a state title.
 

I believe Wayzata, EP, and Champlain Park are the 3 biggest schools, then there is a little bit of a drop off to the rest.
 

Spottedmuskie said:
I believe Wayzata, EP, and Champlain Park are the 3 biggest schools, then there is a little bit of a drop off to the rest.
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Wayzata High3781
Minnetonka Senior High3514
Blaine High School3157
Champlin Park High School2978
Prior Lake High School2856
Eden Prairie Senior High2844
Shakopee High School2823
Stillwater Area High School2658
Edina Senior High2641
White Bear Lake Area High School2572
Maple Grove Senior High2453
Rosemount Senior High2364
Anoka High School2348
Eastview Senior High2328
 

Groves is tough. He choked a FT at the end of the game today, and then threw the 2nd off the backboard (WTH) but he's impressive. I don't know if he's quick enough to play for the Gophers, but I do like his game.
 


Breakin' The Plane said:
Not real sure I agree with Orono's coaching decisions. Down 2 with 30 seconds left and they essentially decided to play for the last shot.
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Yep, that was a head scratcher. Not only play for the last shot, but also taking it to the basket to only (try to) tie the game.
 

cheeseheadgophfan said:
Groves is tough. He choked a FT at the end of the game today, and then threw the 2nd off the backboard (WTH) but he's impressive. I don't know if he's quick enough to play for the Gophers, but I do like his game.
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Currently going to Yale. 44 and 31 in the two games.

He got a layup and got fouled. High pressure and missed first. Tried miss second and missed rim. East was in brutal foul trouble and pulled out the win.
 


It appears to me that once again, the Gophers recruited the wrong brother. First the Ellenson's, next the Hurt's and now the Thompson's. LOL

Chase can play.
 

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