Mbakwe rumors = felony battery charges

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Identification is never a good thing for the defendant, but this one seems fishy. When did she know that there was a party at the complex for the bball team? Was she at the party or did she hear of it afterward? And knowing that there was a party at the complex, did she then limit her search for the suspect to an online basketball roster and picked out the most likely suspect? Certainly there are more facts than what we know and there is much more to know about this, but if I might speculate, it seems entirely possible that this poor woman may have been more intent on finding a suspect rather than the perpetrator. It is entirely possible he's guilty, but the ID seems awfully suggestive.
 


interesting comment on the pioneer press comment board regarding this story....

from a comment on the pioneer press website: "the police report is public information if you pay to obtain it..which i did...i have known trevor for a long time and i wanted the inside scoop. this girl mis-identified trevor at least two times, she id'd him using google, and he was the player of the year. hmm...she lived in the same complex, and attended the games...while im sure trevor didnt know who she was, she most deifnitely knew who he was, he was a celebrity down there. if a celebrity raped u could u easily pick them out of a line up? exactly. i am calling BS on this girl, while she may have been attacked, there is no evidence, no witnesses, no possible way it was trevor, plus looks like he has a strong alibi."

for me that sheds a new light on the situation. the more you read about this the more bogus the whole trumped up "charge" against trevor is starting to sound.
 

Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
that girl in the dominic jones case was/is shady because she admittedly had been having whorish sex with everyone at that party all night long at the same time the alleged incident took place. she loses a ton of credibility right then and there in trying to claim a rape took place.
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Bronko - I really tried to refrain from this comment. Note, I am, by no means, any kind of women's rights advocate (as you mentioned in your previous post), but I have to challenge this logic.

Yes, that woman had sex with a number of men at that party, she was trashed, I'm guessing she was probably wearing something pretty slutty too...regardless if she naked and had banged 99% of the football team, if you don't give consent to have sex with that last guy, it's not right. It's rape, and it's not okay. I'm not saying that woman is someone I'd ever respect, or associate with - but women have the right to say no, or say nothing in this case, and it has to be respected.
 

GopherLady said:
Bronko - I really tried to refrain from this comment. Note, I am, by no means, any kind of women's rights advocate (as you mentioned in your previous post), but I have to challenge this logic.

Yes, that woman had sex with a number of men at that party, she was trashed, I'm guessing she was probably wearing something pretty slutty too...regardless if she naked and had banged 99% of the football team, if you don't give consent to have sex with that last guy, it's not right. It's rape, and it's not okay. I'm not saying that woman is someone I'd ever respect, or associate with - but women have the right to say no, or say nothing in this case, and it has to be respected.
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GL - i respect your point of view on the matter. thanks for the comment.
 



Well Said, GopherLady

GopherLady said:
Bronko - I really tried to refrain from this comment. Note, I am, by no means, any kind of women's rights advocate (as you mentioned in your previous post), but I have to challenge this logic.

Yes, that woman had sex with a number of men at that party, she was trashed, I'm guessing she was probably wearing something pretty slutty too...regardless if she naked and had banged 99% of the football team, if you don't give consent to have sex with that last guy, it's not right. It's rape, and it's not okay. I'm not saying that woman is someone I'd ever respect, or associate with - but women have the right to say no, or say nothing in this case, and it has to be respected.
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Bronko is way out of line here. He has a relationship with Trevor. I would sure hate to have him on the jury if my daughter was raped or beaten.
 


EverTheSkeptic said:
The young man was arrested in April. That is when Maturi should have been alerted and should have made a statement to the effect that the arrest had occurred (I believe that is public information, but I'm no expert) and that it was monitoring the situation, state that the player has asserted his innocence, and remind everyone that people are innocent until proven guilty. The U would have shown that it was competently handling the situation.

Given the history of various problems with U of M athletes, the U needs to be as open and above board as possible.

I have seen a lot of player and/or coach misbehavior, going back to the Ohio State brawl. It would be a tragedy for everyone if, once again, the BB program is found to be deficient. For the record, I'm still a fan, I believe in Tubby and Maturi, and I believe that the young man had no involvement in the incident.
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I agree 100%. For posters that feel the situation has been handled properly up to this point, I might agree if he had not been arrested. But he was arrested. This is when things should have been addressed. And the athletic director needs to know everything that is out there. Remember, he is Tubby's boss.
 



Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
he seems too confident in his comments for it not to be.
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You may be correct, and I hope you are, but I am trying to remember the last time I heard someone who was guilty of a crime say anything different than what Trevor is saying.

Also, there is one major concern for me that this is a case of mistaken identity. Remember that Trevor is around 6'8" I believe? I assume (may be incorrect) that the woman recognized that her attacker was very tall. The odds that there are other very tall men that look like Trevor in a parking lot at 3:00 in the morning have to be pretty small. The odds would seem to indicate that Trevor or another tall team member are most likely to fit the description.

Again, I hope this all proves to be mistaken identity and Trevor had nothing to do with it. Certain things just don't look good.
 

Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
he seems too confident in his comments for it not to be. to me this does wreak of a situation of mistaken identity and unfortunately for trevor his name is going to get "dragged through the mud" because of it.

i guess after hearing about how truly shady the accusing girl in the dominic jones assault case was i am not as inclined anymore to just give women the benefit of the doubt just simply because they are women. a lot of times it seems like these girls have alterior motives when all the facts come out.

for the women's rights zealots on this board, go ahead and have at me.
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Bronko- I understand that sometimes females have alterior motives when it comes to these things, but you can't paint the whole female gender with that brush. Most of the times, they don't.

Obviously I hope this is a case of mistaken identity, or the story is embellished, and Mbakwe is innocent and will be cleared. But assuming that Mbakwe didn't do it just because you feel women usually lie in these situations is just a bad as assuming Mbakwe's guilt without evidence.

I have no idea how this will turn out, some information seems damning, and other information seems to point to Mbakwe's innocence. I guess we will all just have to wait and see how it plays out.
 

Was he known to ride a bike around campus?

I remember a case at a different school years ago where the victim involved knew they were on a specific sports team and incorrectly identified one of the guys from the media guide. The person incorrectly identified was cleared in a quick manner and the proper suspect was substituted shortly after. Should it take 3 months to clear a case of mistaken id?

I'm waiting for this to play out, but despite the Duke Lacrosse Scandal, isn't it typical for most DAs to have conviction rates in the 90's%? Based on that, I don't think the DA would pursue this if he wasn't 95-99% sure he could convict him.
 

Plinnius said:
Yeah, but the cell phone video of Dom Jones raping her seems to negate that.
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I think, technically, his crime was masturbating on her while she was sleeping. Obviously a crime and depraved act w/o consent, but I do think it's a little misleading how the word "rape" sometimes gets thrown around.


In a case like Mbakwe's, frankly, the only person who knows for sure whether he did it or not is probably Mbakwe.
 




MillionMoves said:
Excellent point!

Get rid of him now before the program goes on another long probation, or worse.
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You have no idea what the situation is, you want a kids life ruined over speculation? Ever heard of the Duke LaCrosse case?
 

WanderingGopher said:
I think, technically, his crime was masturbating on her while she was sleeping. Obviously a crime and depraved act w/o consent, but I do think it's a little misleading how the word "rape" sometimes gets thrown around.


In a case like Mbakwe's, frankly, the only person who knows for sure whether he did it or not is probably Mbakwe.
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right. and he is saying it was not him that did this. i thought it was innocent until proven guilty in this country and not guilty until proven innocent.
 

akgopher said:
Was he known to ride a bike around campus?

I remember a case at a different school years ago where the victim involved knew they were on a specific sports team and incorrectly identified one of the guys from the media guide. The person incorrectly identified was cleared in a quick manner and the proper suspect was substituted shortly after. Should it take 3 months to clear a case of mistaken id?

I'm waiting for this to play out, but despite the Duke Lacrosse Scandal, isn't it typical for most DAs to have conviction rates in the 90's%? Based on that, I don't think the DA would pursue this if he wasn't 95-99% sure he could convict him.
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you are trying to claim that you are not going to jump to conclusions in this case and then you basically contradict yourself and jump to speculative conclusions in this case. which is it?
 

This was posted on the Marquette board. The dates surrounding the assault are from the Pioneer Press article, and I would assume the poster looked up the dates related to Miami Dade.

"Assault occurs 4/3/09. Police cannot find TM because he has gone back to Minnesota. They find him there and he comes back to face the charges on 4/28/09.

Miami Dade's academic spring semester ran until last day of classes on 4/24/09 with finals from 4/25/09 to 5/1/09. So it does not appear TM could have finished the semester."

Assuming those dates are correct, they raise some questions. Though certainly not indicative of guilt, if Mbakwe is innocent, why did he leave Miami prior to the school year finishing?
 

"i thought it was innocent until proven guilty in this country and not guilty until proven innocent."

Do you apply this same logic in cases where Wisconsin or Iowa athletes are arrested/charged for a crime? My memory seems to be you're one of the first to jump all over athletes from other schools if they find themselves in trouble with the law, as though we're exempt of those kinds of problems at the U of M.
 

SelectionSunday said:
"i thought it was innocent until proven guilty in this country and not guilty until proven innocent."

Do you apply this same logic in cases where Wisconsin or Iowa athletes are arrested/charged for a crime? My memory seems to be you're one of the first to jump all over athletes from other schools if they find themselves in trouble with the law, as though we're exempt of those kinds of problems at the U of M.
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well, i think your memory is incorrect. show me all of these examples (as you insinuate) where i am the one/the ring leader "jumping all over athletes" (as you put it) from other schools when they are in trouble with the law. i don't think you can. nice try though.
 

Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
you are trying to claim that you are not going to jump to conclusions in this case and then you basically contradict yourself and jump to speculative conclusions in this case. which is it?
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I'm not jumping to conclusions, but am aware of the facts/reality.
 

akgopher said:
I'm not jumping to conclusions, but am aware of the facts/reality.
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none of us are involved in the case, so in "reality" none of us really have the true "facts" as you are suggesting above, rather we merely have speculation and some third-party comments that we believe to be facts. i include myself in that category.

that is why i am trying to give trevor the benefit of "innocent until proven guilty" here - and i suggest some of the high and mighty, ivory tower types on this board do the same - and not writing up his conviction like some on this board seem to almost enjoy doing. btw - i am not saying you are one of those people.
 

A few years back a good friend got himself into some serious trouble and wound-up being one of the top stories in the state.

I remember reality sunk in for me about his fate when another friend who knew a county attorney stated the fact that in this particular county, the DA won something like 98% of the cases.

I hope it's a misunderstanding, but it goes to trial something to remember is that for every Duke Lacrosse case there are between 9 and 10 slam dunk guilty verdicts.
 

witness identification is statistically the least accurate way of finding suspects
 

"witness identification is statistically the least accurate way of finding suspects "


especially when that witness claimed to have seen the suspect playing pickup basketball a few weeks later when it just so happens that Trevor was already back in Minnesota. The more details of this case I hear, the more confusing it gets, of course I'm also only getting one side of the story.
 

Further proof that nothing good happens after 10:00.
 

SelectionSunday said:
"i thought it was innocent until proven guilty in this country and not guilty until proven innocent."

Do you apply this same logic in cases where Wisconsin or Iowa athletes are arrested/charged for a crime? My memory seems to be you're one of the first to jump all over athletes from other schools if they find themselves in trouble with the law, as though we're exempt of those kinds of problems at the U of M.
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Thank you.
 



akgopher said:
A few years back a good friend got himself into some serious trouble and wound-up being one of the top stories in the state.

I remember reality sunk in for me about his fate when another friend who knew a county attorney stated the fact that in this particular county, the DA won something like 98% of the cases.

I hope it's a misunderstanding, but it goes to trial something to remember is that for every Duke Lacrosse case there are between 9 and 10 slam dunk guilty verdicts.
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Almost all county prosecutors claim to have success rates in the 95%+ range because they count ALL cases that are brought before them, not just those that go to trial. 95%+ sounds goods when it is re-election time, but the vast, vast majority of cases included in the DA's numbers are the results of a plea bargain or are a result of pleading guilty with a minor fine attached and never see the light of day in a courtroom.
 

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