Mbakwe rumors = felony battery charges

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jamiche said:
This is the downside of having a power coach. Tubby does not report to Maturi, it's the other way around.

Whether Trevor is guilty or not, this is a big enough issue that the AD should have been fully briefed.
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It does sound a little "Clem-like". However, at least Tubby reported it to Maturi. I'm a little surprised that Maturi appears to have let things stay at that level. It sounds more like a "lets see what happens" attitude versus- let's check deeper into this. I sure hope this is a mistaken identity deal- otherwise this is really bad.
 

bga1 said:
It does sound a little "Clem-like". However, at least Tubby reported it to Maturi. I'm a little surprised that Maturi appears to have let things stay at that level. It sounds more like a "lets see what happens" attitude versus- let's check deeper into this. I sure hope this is a mistaken identity deal- otherwise this is really bad.
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Maybe, in the course of the conversation, Maturi really didn't want to know and Tubby was happy to accomodate him. Regardless, an allegation of this magnitude has to go beyond Tubby to at least the AD.
 

I've been reading the board for some time but this has motivated me to register and post a comment. If the actions alleged are true (even if Mbakwe plea bargains down to a lesser charge) he must be dismissed from the team. Zero tolerance for violent criminals must be the rule.

Maturi must take control of the situation. If Tubby withheld information from him (I really doubt that he did, but I believed in Clem, too) he must be reprimanded. Also, the public deserves an explanation regarding why the incident was handled by the Athletic Department in a way that at least appears to be trying to hide this incident from the public eye.
 

I'm a District Attorney in WI and obviously a huge Gopher fan. My ethics as a prosecutor indicate that I don't file a complaint until I believe that I can prove that person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I hope I'm wrong, but I think there's definitely more to this than an ID from the BB website.

Two points: it's not all that unusual that a case might not be filed for a couple of months after the incident. You're waiting for follow-up reports, statements, and perhaps lab results.

Finally, as to plea bargaining, it's possible that the prosecution and defense have already met. I rarely do pre-charging conferences, but in higher profile cases, it does happen.
 


***alert***speculative post***if a player plays a during the season and then gets convicted of a crime, will the team have to forfeit games in which the player had played in?
 

I also find the line that Maturi didn't know about it to be troubling. Not saying Tubby needed to tell him directly, but the Asst. AD who is the primary basketball person should have known. That person should have told Joel.

My other question is whether this news breaking will mean any sort of Gophers suspension for Trevor. There are schools that automatically suspend a player if they are charged with a felony. Gophers don't appear to be that hardline. Obviously this case could be resolved before the beginning of the season.

MnGopherFan,
Criminal activity has nothing to do with NCAA rules/eligibility.
 


EverTheSkeptic said:
If Tubby withheld information from him (I really doubt that he did, but I believed in Clem, too) he must be reprimanded. Also, the public deserves an explanation regarding why the incident was handled by the Athletic Department in a way that at least appears to be trying to hide this incident from the public eye.
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I couldn't disagree with these comments more. The public didn't deserve anything and I'm not certain Maturi did either (other than maybe a "heads up"). According to the story, it seems as though Trevor was not worried about the situation and is asserting a complete defense to the charge. As with any charge, there was probably some back and forth between the prosecutor and the defense attorney about whether a charge should even be brought against Trevor and what charge it might be. If Trevor claimed zero involvement in the alleged attack, there was probably a chance that nothing would have come of the whole incident.

Was the Athletic Department supposed to report that Trevor might or might not have felony battery charges brought against him? I don't think it has a duty to report any negative information about a athlete that might happen.
 



MN Gopher Fan said:
***alert***speculative post***if a player plays a during the season and then gets convicted of a crime, will the team have to forfeit games in which the player had played in?
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No, or else Memphis hasn't won a game in 92 years.
 

witness identification issues

There was a recent story on 60 Minutes (or another similar news program) which I saw and the focus was that witness idenfication of criminals is notoriously inaccurate. So just because one person positively ID's Mbwake doesn't really mean much.
 

Tubtastic said:
I couldn't disagree with these comments more. The public didn't deserve anything and I'm not certain Maturi did either (other than maybe a "heads up"). According to the story, it seems as though Trevor was not worried about the situation and is asserting a complete defense to the charge. As with any charge, there was probably some back and forth between the prosecutor and the defense attorney about whether a charge should even be brought against Trevor and what charge it might be. If Trevor claimed zero involvement in the alleged attack, there was probably a chance that nothing would have come of the whole incident.

Was the Athletic Department supposed to report that Trevor might or might not have felony battery charges brought against him? I don't think it has a duty to report any negative information about a athlete that might happen.
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The issue for me is not public disclosure because the individual has a right to privacy until such time as the prosecutor charges. It concerns me, however, that Maturi appeared in the dark and unprepared to answer questions once the issue became public. I hope that the lack of internal communication is isolated to this incident and is not part of a pattern.
 

"identification" <> guilty

I was involved in a situation where I was assaulted and there were 3 other witnesses. All of us independently identified the individual from a photo line up. . .didn't matter, the judge ruled for the defendent because the guy's mom gave him some weak made-up alibi. So if that is all they have, I can tell you from experience that lady has no chance.
 



The young man was arrested in April. That is when Maturi should have been alerted and should have made a statement to the effect that the arrest had occurred (I believe that is public information, but I'm no expert) and that it was monitoring the situation, state that the player has asserted his innocence, and remind everyone that people are innocent until proven guilty. The U would have shown that it was competently handling the situation.

Given the history of various problems with U of M athletes, the U needs to be as open and above board as possible.

I have seen a lot of player and/or coach misbehavior, going back to the Ohio State brawl. It would be a tragedy for everyone if, once again, the BB program is found to be deficient. For the record, I'm still a fan, I believe in Tubby and Maturi, and I believe that the young man had no involvement in the incident.
 

Alibi??

Based on the information I've read, it appears the attacker was a member of the basketball team. If it wasn't Mbakwe, then you would think someone (i.e. teammates at the party) would come forward and clear his name. All I know is that if I was at party with some friends and one of them is accused of beating up a woman - yet he was with me all night - I wouldn't hesitate to provide an alibi and neith er would my other buddies. Maybe that happened already and there's nothing to the charges, but where there's smoke there's fire. Let's just hope there's no cell phone footage of this crime......
 

have to say that i think trevor mbakwe is innocent here

he seems too confident in his comments for it not to be. to me this does wreak of a situation of mistaken identity and unfortunately for trevor his name is going to get "dragged through the mud" because of it.

i guess after hearing about how truly shady the accusing girl in the dominic jones assault case was i am not as inclined anymore to just give women the benefit of the doubt just simply because they are women. a lot of times it seems like these girls have alterior motives when all the facts come out.

for the women's rights zealots on this board, go ahead and have at me.
 

Art Vandelay said:
Based on the information I've read, it appears the attacker was a member of the basketball team. If it wasn't Mbakwe, then you would think someone (i.e. teammates at the party) would come forward and clear his name. All I know is that if I was at party with some friends and one of them is accused of beating up a woman - yet he was with me all night - I wouldn't hesitate to provide an alibi and neith er would my other buddies. Maybe that happened already and there's nothing to the charges, but where there's smoke there's fire. Let's just hope there's no cell phone footage of this crime......
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Just because he was at a party with his basketball buddies doesn't mean one of them can provide an alibi. It only matters that someone (anyone) was with him and can vouch for his whereabouts at the time of the crime. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a basketball player.

Also, I kind of WANT some cell-phone footage; at least that way, we would know for sure. In any case, this entire situation is wholly disappointing and I'm already sick of it.
 

Being falsely accused of a major crime would certainly be near the top my list of scary situations in life. Especially in a situation like this were the victim likely was actually harmed (i.e. is not fabricating the alleged attack) in such a horrible way such that a jury wants to punish someone. Trevor's relative cool in this tough spot and willingness to tell us that everything will turn out fine suggests he's got a good defense/explanation.

Plus, everything I've heard/read/observed about Tubby's reputation and "classiness" suggests that he wouldn't put up with a charged/alleged felon unless that individual had a very strong explanation to refute the charges against him. Who knows - but the story does have some silver lining for Gopher fans (at least at this point).
 

It would be interesting to get some info on the prosecutor who brought the charges. In my experience, some prosecutors are more "zealous" than others (plus there are a few looking to make their names by seeking out high profile cases).
 

Gopher Teeth said:
I was involved in a situation where I was assaulted and there were 3 other witnesses. All of us independently identified the individual from a photo line up. . .didn't matter, the judge ruled for the defendent because the guy's mom gave him some weak made-up alibi. So if that is all they have, I can tell you from experience that lady has no chance.
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Which just goes to show that an acquittal isn't synonymous with a vote of innocence. Tubby might have to make a tough decision here.
 

Tubtastic said:
Being falsely accused of a major crime would certainly be near the top my list of scary situations in life. Especially in a situation like this were the victim likely was actually harmed (i.e. is not fabricating the alleged attack) in such a horrible way such that a jury wants to punish someone. Trevor's relative cool in this tough spot and willingness to tell us that everything will turn out fine suggests he's got a good defense/explanation.

Plus, everything I've heard/read/observed about Tubby's reputation and "classiness" suggests that he wouldn't put up with a charged/alleged felon unless that individual had a very strong explanation to refute the charges against him. Who knows - but the story does have some silver lining for Gopher fans (at least at this point).
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Tubby's inaction to this point has little to do with how much he believes Mbakwe or how "strong" or "confident" Mbakwe is in his denial. Tubby's hands are pretty much tied. He feels his only option is to do nothing until the justice systems runs its course.

If he cuts Mbakwe loose, then Mbakwe is proven innocent - Tubby judged an innocent kid incorrectly, cut him loose based upon bogus allegations. No good.

Tubby wants nothing to do with any of this. I do know that.
 


Facts34 said:
Tubby's inaction to this point has little to do with how much he believes Mbakwe or how "strong" or "confident" Mbakwe is in his denial. Tubby's hands are pretty much tied. He feels his only option is to do nothing until the justice systems runs its course.

If he cuts Mbakwe loose, then Mbakwe is proven innocent - Tubby judged an innocent kid incorrectly, cut him loose based upon bogus allegations. No good.

Tubby wants nothing to do with any of this. I do know that.
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Who would? Right off hand, I can't think of anyone (including Mbakwe). ;)
 

Plinnius said:
How was she shady?
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that girl in the dominic jones case was/is shady because she admittedly had been having whorish sex with everyone at that party all night long at the same time the alleged incident took place. she loses a ton of credibility right then and there in trying to claim a rape took place.

what many people never heard about the whole dominic jones trial was that very important fact was NOT ALLOWED to be introduced during the trial by a femi-nazi judge and the female prosecutors working against his case. understandably his defense lawyer screamed "foul" because of this. that is also why they are appealing jones' case because they do not feel he received a fair trial.

all i am saying is the "woman" is not always right, innocent or even telling the truth in some of these types of cases.

better to wait for all the facts to come out before judging trevor in any of this.
 

jamiche said:
The issue for me is not public disclosure because the individual has a right to privacy until such time as the prosecutor charges. It concerns me, however, that Maturi appeared in the dark and unprepared to answer questions once the issue became public. I hope that the lack of internal communication is isolated to this incident and is not part of a pattern.
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Jammer - we do know Maturi and how he has handled coaches and issues in the past - how out of the loop he was with the whole Monson firing-not-firing. He pretty much left Monson out to dry that day and frankly he left Tubby out to dry on this one too. Why admit ignorance publicly?(again). Now we're all left to wonder who was the major contributor to the ignorance - again. Why say to the press, "Tubby mentioned something-or-other but I didn't know it was this"? From an institutional perspective it makes no sense to air out one's ignorance regardless of the circumstances.
 

Art Vandelay said:
Based on the information I've read, it appears the attacker was a member of the basketball team. If it wasn't Mbakwe, then you would think someone (i.e. teammates at the party) would come forward and clear his name. All I know is that if I was at party with some friends and one of them is accused of beating up a woman - yet he was with me all night - I wouldn't hesitate to provide an alibi and neith er would my other buddies. Maybe that happened already and there's nothing to the charges, but where there's smoke there's fire. Let's just hope there's no cell phone footage of this crime......
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art - as usual don't let "waiting for actual facts to come out" stop you from being overly dramatic. :rolleyes:
 

Art Vandelay said:
Based on the information I've read, it appears the attacker was a member of the basketball team. If it wasn't Mbakwe, then you would think someone (i.e. teammates at the party) would come forward and clear his name. All I know is that if I was at party with some friends and one of them is accused of beating up a woman - yet he was with me all night - I wouldn't hesitate to provide an alibi and neith er would my other buddies. Maybe that happened already and there's nothing to the charges, but where there's smoke there's fire. Let's just hope there's no cell phone footage of this crime......
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I have no idea what may have happened in the Mbakwe accusation(s) but Wayne Turner "took the rap" for teammate Myron Anthony in 1998 at UK. As I remember it, someone stole a car (later it was shown to have been Anthony, who was 6-7) and wrecked it but left the scene. Turner (6-2) was blamed for it and was going to be punished (by the legal system) until Anthony admitted it was him.
 

Jones case

Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
that girl in the dominic jones case was/is shady because she admittedly had been having whorish sex with everyone at that party all night long at the same time the alleged incident took place. she loses a ton of credibility right then and there in trying to claim a rape took place.

what many people never heard about the whole dominic jones trial was that very important fact was NOT ALLOWED to be introduced during the trial by a femi-nazi judge and the female prosecutors working against his case. understandably his defense lawyer screamed "foul" because of this. that is also why they are appealing jones' case because they do not feel he received a fair trial.

all i am saying is the "woman" is not always right, innocent or even telling the truth in some of these types of cases.

better to wait for all the facts to come out before judging trevor in any of this.
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Bronko, if you're going to rip people for getting facts wrong, you might want to re-examine some of your own "facts" regarding the Jones case. First of all, Judge Marilyn Rosenbaum is in no way a "femi-nazi." She was appointed by a Republican and is married to federal judge James Rosenbaum who is a conservative Republican of the first order. More importantly, the information about the victim's past sexual encounters was not excluded because of a "femi-nazi" judge and "the female prosecutors." It was excluded because that's the law. And Jones already lost his appeal 3-0 before the Minnesota Court of Appeals earlier this month.
 


Well, like others have said, since he isnt technically a student at Minnesota, there isnt much they can do to him. There are only two options for Tubby here, pull his scholarship, which if he was proven innocent would look harsh and unjustified or do what he is doing here, taking the wait and see approach.
 

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