Mason, McBrayer and Dorsey suspended

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Good Lord, I swear half the people on this forum are trying to make these guys out to be convicted felons. Was it incredibly stupid for this video to see social media? Of course it was. There is no defending that part of it. But if you don't think this kind of act takes place on at least an occasional basis when you are talking about big-time college athletes, you have your head in the sand. I hate to break it to you, but the days of Brady Bunch and Leave It To Beaver are looooong gone.

In this case, the damage is self-inflicted, but the Mpls/St. Paul media loves nothing more than making a mockery of the U athletic department. I live in Fargo, and I will promise you that some of the stuff that has been front page news with the U, would never have seen the light of day in Fargo. I know, I know.....yada yada you are above Fargo and NDSU. I'm no Bison lover, and it might be about time the U takes a look at what NDSU is doing.

A few years back the NDSU women's AD got in some trouble involving some inappropriate stuff. There was one article stating she was on leave while some allegations were looked into. Then, Poof. She was apparently just gone, never to be heard from again. The media never whispered another word on the subject. You don't think the media protects the Badgers in Madison, or the Cyclones in Ames?? In Minneapolis they love picking on the Gophers.

Not necessarily defending the players, but some of you need to get a grip on reality IMO. Lots of finger pointing from people who probably either did the same stuff or wish they could have done the same stuff. Would you want to be a public figure in the age of Twitter? Not me....
 

scher215 said:
To add to that then. Really what people want Dorsey punished for then to me at least is being an idiot with a phone and social media. Which maybe some do feel is grounds for dismissal. I just personally don't feel that way. The fact he is having group sex, meh, Happens constantly.

It all comes down to if a crime was committed. No crime, probably be okay with them coming back against Wisconsin up to sitting out the year. If charges are filed at any time, especially with the current climate at the U, have to dismiss all three. Regardless of the record.
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Says who? You've stated this as fact now a couple times, when it absolutely is not a fact. This idea that every girl on campus in having trains run on them is nonsense.
 

Alright, I have waited three days to digest this story. Since the players are representing the U. and the state of Minn as a whole, I agree with the suspensions that occurred last night. Regarding Mason and McBrayer, if the investigation finds them uninvolved in the act of posting or the consent to do so, then I coud see them reinstated immediately or very soon. Dorsey's case is WAY more serious than I thought when first hearing it, and his past suspension makes this strike two. He could very well be shown the door. The last point I would make was actually forwarded by my wife. She said IF any of these guys are allowed to continue with their scholarships at the U. that they are going to have to take some classes on conduct like the NFL gives to their rookies. I would think Kaler and Goetz have already assembled those seminar speakers.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Says who? You've stated this as fact now a couple times, when it absolutely is not a fact. This idea that every girl on campus in having trains run on them is nonsense.
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Every girl? No. Absolutely not. Didn't mean to imply at all that it was everyone. Just that three athletes (or college kids in general) participating in these types of things isn't some extremely rare thing. And as long as all parties are consenting, go for it.
 


HOOP DREAMS said:
That's why I have to think he posted them by himself... not even all 3 if them could be that stupid under the influence.
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Remember when Brewster tweeted some inappropriate things about Reusse and then claimed someone hacked his twitter account? I don't remember anyone believing his story.

DieHardGopher mentioned on the other site when Ra'Shede Hageman was caught on Instagram trying to buy pot from a girl, that he too claimed someone had hacked his account or stolen his phone (forget which) and that no one really believed him either.

People, including coaches and admins do stupid things all the time. Not sure why it's hard to believe he would post this? These guys aren't attending the U because they're smart, they're attending the U because they're really athletic.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Says who? You've stated this as fact now a couple times, when it absolutely is not a fact. This idea that every girl on campus in having trains run on them is nonsense.
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Ha-ha, thank you... Not buying that from Mr. Super Cool Group Sex Guy
 

I only know one guy in my 50 years who has had group sex and he paid for it.
 





scher215 said:
Every girl? No. Absolutely not. Didn't mean to imply at all that it was everyone. Just that three athletes (or college kids in general) participating in these types of things isn't some extremely rare thing. And as long as all parties are consenting, go for it.
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Maybe I misunderstood your posts, but the following made me think I was supposed to believe this was a normal, everyday thing, which it's not.

"These types of "encounters" happen very often at the U (or any college I'd presume) Athletes or no athletes."

"The fact he is having group sex, meh, Happens constantly."

I think you're being incredibly naive in the next statement as well presuming he must have done it accidentally. How does a guy "accidentally" post THREE times and add unique comments to each one ("Getting money!!$$$")?

"his only mistake was presumably accidentally posting the video."

The following statement confuses me. If this train is just a "meh" thing, like you say that happens "constantly", why is it embarrassing?

"It is embarrassing for sure, both to Dorsey and the players and the female involved and the school and the program."
 


Otis said:
I only know one guy in my 50 years who has had group sex and he paid for it.
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So are you claiming to have never played the Milton Bradley game Twister...in the buff...with Crisco...the way it was meant to be played:confused: Sheesh!
 



Costa Rican Gopher said:
Maybe I misunderstood your posts, but the following made me think I was supposed to believe this was a normal, everyday thing, which it's not. "These types of "encounters" happen very often at the U (or any college I'd presume) Athletes or no athletes." "The fact he is having group sex, meh, Happens constantly." I think you're being incredibly naive in the next statement as well presuming he must have done it accidentally. How does a guy "accidentally" post THREE times and add unique comments to each one ("Getting money!!$$$")? "his only mistake was presumably accidentally posting the video." The following statement confuses me. If this train is just a "meh" thing, like you say that happens "constantly", why is it embarrassing? "It is embarrassing for sure, both to Dorsey and the players and the female involved and the school and the program."
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You're right. I worded things poorly in a few cases and I can certainly see where you'd come to those conclusions.

Poor choice of words on "very often" and "constantly" not to argue too much semantics, but was more just trying to get the point across that this isn't the first instance of this type of thing in years. I don't have a strict definition for number of times, but I'd guess it's more common than most people think (I can't say for certain, because I don't know how often everyone thinks it happens). And yes, girls do exist who really really like the athletes.

I was wrong on point 2. I didn't realize there were actual captions with it. Certainly makes it seem more like either incredibly drunk or someone else did it. Still don't think it is grounds for dismissal, but that is certainly worse looking there.

And lastly, it is embarrassing because typically people do videos or photos for themselves and/or partners. And if you're kind of a mean person you show your friends. Having it on social media is typically a bigger audience than many intend. Presumably everyone who didn't say, hey, throw that on Twitter quick. There are certainly people who wouldn't be embarrassed by it. Porn stars aren't just creatures grown from thin air (girls at the U have done porn before too, so yes, still happens) I assumed this wasn't a case where the female was all for that. But hey, maybe she was and it isn't embarrassing. No clue.
 


Costa Rican Gopher said:
People, including coaches and admins do stupid things all the time. Not sure why it's hard to believe he would post this?
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That is my point. I can see him being that stupid I can't see 3 people agreeing to post them.
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Dorsey- That video was phat yo (Joking with the slang), I'm gonna put that **** on twitter for Coach, GH, Gopher Athletics, that fool Doogie, so all those MF'er that follow me can see how we do...

Nate- F' yeah.

McBrayer- Post that shiz, boi.

scher215 said:
I certainly buy it being an accident regardless of who actually hit send.
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Weren't there two videos (could be wrong)? This happened twice by accident? By the way, I'm not saying cut him because the act, dump him IF he intentionally posted the videos.
 

Clearly, there wasn't a lot of thought involved.
 

To sum up my countless posts. I'm a big believer in live and let live. If all of the players want to do this and no one is getting hurt or laws broken, heck, go for it. If they all want to have beanie baby slumber parties with beanie baby themed sleeping bags, cool, go for it.

The punishment here comes from being representatives of a university as athletes (we could argue how fair that is considering they are just students, right NCAA?) but it is what it is. I don't see it as any more or less embarrassing to the U though than Royce (assaulting a security guard, which he got two games for btw. Two. And people want Dorsey off the team for not even breaking a law? Anyways), Trevor (allegedly beating up a women), Devoe, etc. and I was okay with them all playing as well after an appropriate suspension. I'm not sure what is appropriate in this case, mostly because of the PR side, but that's Pitino's job. I'd probably be okay anywhere from the 1 game to the rest of the year.
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
That is my point. I can see him being that stupid I can't see 3 people agreeing to post them.
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Dorsey- That video was phat yo (Joking with the slang), I'm gonna put that **** on twitter for Coach, GH, Gopher Athletics, that fool Doogie and all those MF'er to check out.

Nate- F' yeah, boi

McBrayer- Post that shiz, son.


Weren't there two videos (could be wrong)? This happened twice by accident? By the way, I'm not saying cut him because the act, dump him IF he intentionally posted the videos.
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I agree. I don't think the three players and girl involved had a strategy session on posting and all gave consent. I just think Dorsey is an idiot and posted the videos because he's a misogynist, jock.

As I understand it, it was three videos, not two, each with their own comments, including one referring to the girl as a "b*tch" with lot's of smiley emoticons.
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
That is my point. I can see him being that stupid I can't see 3 people agreeing to post them. _____________________________________ Dorsey- That video was phat yo (Joking with the slang), I'm gonna put that **** on twitter for Coach, GH, Gopher Athletics, that fool Doogie, so all those MF'er that follow me can see how we do... Nate- F' yeah. McBrayer- Post that shiz, boi. Weren't there two videos (could be wrong)? This happened twice by accident? By the way, I'm not saying cut him because the act, dump him IF he intentionally posted the videos.
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I was wrong on that point about it being an accident and apologize. Didn't realize there were multiple videos. Certainly possible he meant to DM them or someone else posted them or just severely intoxicated. But correct, you don't typically accidentally post 3 times with different captions on accident.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
As I understand it, it was three videos, not two, each with their own comments, including one referring to the girl as a "b*tch" with lot's of smiley emoticons.
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Wow. That's news to me.. How we going to use that scolly?

Off topic... Was talking to a Lakeville North insider at a game this weekend, Pitino want's '17 Nathan Reuvers bad.
 

Blackhammer said:
Victim? Maybe the players are the victims? I mean it goes both ways. Chances probably are no victims but a bunch of morons, women included. Perps what are you watching too much Special Victims Unit????
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I'm just saying the sense is that all 3 of them are equally in the 'wrong' here, when that isn't likely the case.
 

I don't even want Dorsey kicked off the team. I want to win. If we could pretend Brewster didn't actually post those Reusse comments and that Hageman didn't actually try to buy weed on Instagram, why not pretend Dorsey had his phone stolen and that he's the real victim?

I realize this is a tangent, but the larger point in my mind is that many of these guys should never be on campus in the first place other than to eat, use athletic facilities and play games. It's a farce that we pretend many of these guys are legitimate "student" athletes. They should be housed off-campus & given a stipend/company car as a player for the Minnesota Basketball Club. Those that actually want to go to class and qualify academically on their own merit, can stay in the dorms and use an athletic scholarship.
 

Otis said:
I only know one guy in my 50 years who has had group sex and he paid for it.
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I heard of numerous threesomes when I was in college. There were even these two girls known for picking out guys from time to time, getting drunk/high, and getting it on. I know this was true because my buddy ended up being one of their targets. He tried to keep it secret but the word got out and he was actually pretty embarrassed.
 

I can't help thinking this whole thing was about two shots of vodka away from being another Brookhaven Trio incident.
 


GibsonSG said:
I heard of numerous threesomes when I was in college. There were even these two girls known for picking out guys from time to time, getting drunk/high, and getting it on. I know this was true because my buddy ended up being one of their targets. He tried to keep it secret but the word got out and he was actually pretty embarrassed.
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Let's assume for the moment that the sex here was entirely consensual. Even if that were the case, I doubt posting this stuff publicly was consensual. Even if those two girls you mentioned did those things, they probably wouldn't have liked, and wouldn't have consented, to that stuff being posted online. If Dorsey did this, I'm leaning toward kicking him off the team and I suspect that a whole lot of people who aren't as big of a basketball fans as me would feel much more that way. If Dorsey posted this and he is kicked off the team, he may have a pretty hard time finding another school that will take him if this gets around.
 



MadtownGopher said:
LOL - he isn't citing any sources, just spewing his own opinion. I wouldn't say "Dorsey was pretty much gone before this even happened" without pointing out Reusse has zero sources.
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Ate you kidding or just to lazy to read the whole thing?
 

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