Limegrover is not good

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MrC said:
Sorry, dude, it was sarcasm over your head!
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No, the hyperbole in your sarcasm was idiotic.

The fumbled opening kickoff was arguably the biggest play of the game. A backup linebacker that I don't think has any experience returning kickoffs (at least not this year) was placed in that position after a bye week in our most important game far this year. That happened why? And why is the head coach not held accountable for that decision?

Nobody asked for him to be fired, but at what point is it ok to ask really obvious questions of the head coach on this board? Everyone seems comfortable criticizing the players and the coordinators, but apparently the Kill charm has created a force-field that doesn't allow any criticism, even the really obvious ones.
 

FireCosgroveGuy said:
Ugh, this guy still sucks.

Stop trying to force the square peg (Shortell) into the round hole. He is not Gray. He does not have short accuracy, so stop throwing the stupid WR screen that goes 10 yards over a guy's head or into the ground. Stop running him up the middle, he can't take it. He is a pocket passer, MAKE SOME ACTUAL ADJUSTMENTS TO YOUR SCHEME.

WTF is a run play being called on 3rd and 13 for. Nice give up play. I don't get it.....way to give up.

Chance to score at the end of the half with 1 minute left? Nah, just run it and kill the clock.

Kill is doing the team no favors today, either. 4th down at roughly the 35? Pretty obvious down to go for it, even at 10-15 yards to go. So what do you do? Take too long to think about it, then send out the offense, then call a timeout, then fake a stupid FG that no one would EVER buy. WTF is this garbage?

The coaches are horrible today.
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The various commentors are as horrible as always.
 

Gopherprof said:
No, the hyperbole in your sarcasm was idiotic.

The fumbled opening kickoff was arguably the biggest play of the game. A backup linebacker that I don't think has any experience returning kickoffs (at least not this year) was placed in that position after a bye week in our most important game far this year. That happened why? And why is the head coach not held accountable for that decision?

Nobody asked for him to be fired, but at what point is it ok to ask really obvious questions of the head coach on this board? Everyone seems comfortable criticizing the players and the coordinators, but apparently the Kill charm has created a force-field that doesn't allow any criticism, even the really obvious ones.
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Saying that sarcasm has "excessive hyperbole" is beyond idiotic. Can't think of an adjective stong enough without swearing. Try learning what sarcasm is. It is not that hard. Really, I am not being sarcastic. As far as you can tell.


And criticizing Kill or anyone else is fair game. So is a sarcastic response to that criticism.

Duh.
 

skauma said:
I am having a hard time figuring out if this loss is more Shortell for missing receivers wide open in the end zone, or Limegrover for his extremely questionable play calling. Sure he called some plays where receivers were open, and Max couldnt hit them...but here are two plays that stick out to me, that are on him...3rd and 11 in the second quarter, we run a QB draw, which leads to us having to punt. The other play, was a 3rd and 1, Kirkwood had been running people over all game, and we throw it on that play.

3rd and long = running play
3rd and short = passing play
Makes no sense.
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Ok, let me enlighten you on a little coaching secret. On 3rd and long, you try to stick with a safe play that will give you short yardage, unless the time/score of the game dictate something else. The point on that 3rd and 11 is A) it's still the first half. We have all game to put more points on the board and B) throwing the ball in an obvious passing situation increases your odds of a turnover or no gain. At that point, coaches are setting up their defense to pin the opposing team deep in their own end. Sorry to break it to you, but you play to live another day instead of forcing stuff. This is how coaches call the games.

Yes, I know in Madden you always pass the ball on 3rd and longs. But this isn't Madden.

As far as the 3rd and 1.. I agree with you. But then again, I'm of an old school pound the rock mindset. I wouldn't have passed on that play because I just didn't have confidence in my pass game. Not with the weather as it was.
 


I have an inherent mistrust of play calling criticism. If the plays worked, great. If not, then it is easy to imagine other play calls that would have.

This is called an untestable hypothesis. In science, an untestable hypothesis is useless.

Yes, Limegrover or Kill could have done any number of other things that the clearly-more-qualified-than-them posters on this board KNOW would have assured victory.

Fact is, we can only judge their work with the perspective of time....multiple games over multiple years.

But I know it is fun to go after individual data points, no matter how invalid.

For example, faking a 53 yard field goal instead of just going for it on fourth down. Really? Kill and company should be fired. ;)
 

MrC said:
Saying that sarcasm has "excessive hyperbole" is beyond idiotic.
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You can be sarcastic without being absurd about it. Granted, you can be sarcastic and ridiculously hyperbolic at the same time, but I'm not sure what your point is. Do you even remember what you were responding to in the first place? Because it had nothing to do with my post.

Nobody called for Kill to be fired. He made a bad decision and I said he should be questioned about it. You turned it into something it totally wasn't. That's something an idiot or a troll would do. That's all.

I guess the issue is that I was trying to have a rational discussion about the game, and you were looking to be an asshole. On that account, you're right, I didn't pick up on that at first.
 

Gopherprof said:
You can be sarcastic without being absurd about it. Granted, you can be sarcastic and ridiculously hyperbolic at the same time, but I'm not sure what your point is. Do you even remember what you were responding to in the first place? Because it had nothing to do with my post.

Nobody called for Kill to be fired. He made a bad decision and I said he should be questioned about it. You turned it into something it totally wasn't. That's something an idiot or a troll would do. That's all.
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Please look at my other posts, including one in which I was very positive about a post of yours today, before calling me an idiot or troll.

I don't take being called names lightly, and I certainly don't do it ever. And never will. You Namecaller, you. ;)

Let's bury the hatchet, I really like your posts the vast majority of the time!

And, dammit, we are on the same side. To hell with Wisconsin!
 

No matter what...the play calling was horrible. That is on Limegrover and Kill. No other way to sugar coat it. They sucked today.
 



MrC said:
Please look at my other posts, including one in which I was very positive about a post of yours today, before calling me an idiot or troll.

I don't take being called names lightly, and I certainly don't do it ever. And never will. You Namecaller, you. ;)

Let's bury the hatchet, I really like your posts the vast majority of the time!

And, dammit, we are on the same side. To hell with Wisconsin!
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Fair enough. This loss has me surly. Sorry for the namecalling.
 

It seems pretty obvious to me our coaches have gotten their asses handled to them the past two weeks. Claeys seems to be good, but he needs to put a boot up some butts before game time to get them ready to go in the first half. Kill and Limegrover have been awful.
 

Gopherprof said:
I would like to know what the hell Lamonte Edwards was doing returning kicks in such an important game considering he has, to my knowledge, no experience doing so at all.

That was the biggest play of the game, and it falls pretty heavily on Kill.
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That was terrible, but I'm pretty sure that decision falls on the special teams coach, not Kill's.

That said, not sure if this is the right thread for this, but how we have looked so awful on D the first halves of the last two games is just mind-blowing. I don't care about 2nd half adjustments - you're down 24-0 in one game, 21-10 this week, with running backs doing whatever the want.

Also, do we know how to run a hurry-up offense? The of the half was a debacle once again.

Shortell is ridiculously erratic, and today looked like he was stuck in quick sand trying to avoid a pass rush.

The offensive line was typical - not the worst we've had, but not good. Somewhat off-topic, but this is where we see the difference the most, in my opinion, between blue-chip recruits and Kill recruits to-date. Kill recruits have the potential to develop into really, really good offensive linemen, but they're not physically ready when they get to campus. The big-time programs get offensive linemen that really are ready to be functional right out of the gate, which is why they are big-time recruits. It's not to say Kill shouldn't recruit the kids he's getting, it's just that those types of guys are going to take much longer to develop.

I'm a big Kill guy, but youth doesn't account for us being 100% out-classed in every way in the first half - it was terrible.

My positives:

Eldred punted the ball well

LOVED seeing McDonald - despite the drop (ended up not hurting us, other than the time lost on one play), I just loved seeing him out there.

Kirkwood and Williams were physical

If Marquise is healthy, I think we win this game

that's about it....
 

Indi1006 said:
It seems pretty obvious to me our coaches have gotten their asses handled to them the past two weeks. Claeys seems to be good, but he needs to put a boot up some butts before game time to get them ready to go in the first half. Kill and Limegrover have been awful.
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I know the regulars over at GI can't write anything at all negative about Kill and co., but come on...today was terrible. Limegrover needs to figure things out asap.
 



TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
That was terrible, but I'm pretty sure that decision falls on the special teams coach, not Kill's.

That said, not sure if this is the right thread for this, but how we have looked so awful on D the first halves of the last two games is just mind-blowing. I don't care about 2nd half adjustments - you're down 24-0 in one game, 21-10 this week, with running backs doing whatever the want.

Also, do we know how to run a hurry-up offense? The of the half was a debacle once again.

Shortell is ridiculously erratic, and today looked like he was stuck in quick sand trying to avoid a pass rush.

The offensive line was typical - not the worst we've had, but not good. Somewhat off-topic, but this is where we see the difference the most, in my opinion, between blue-chip recruits and Kill recruits to-date. Kill recruits have the potential to develop into really, really good offensive linemen, but they're not physically ready when they get to campus. The big-time programs get offensive linemen that really are ready to be functional right out of the gate, which is why they are big-time recruits. It's not to say Kill shouldn't recruit the kids he's getting, it's just that those types of guys are going to take much longer to develop.

I'm a big Kill guy, but youth doesn't account for us being 100% out-classed in every way in the first half - it was terrible.

My positives:

Eldred punted the ball well

LOVED seeing McDonald - despite the drop (ended up not hurting us, other than the time lost on one play), I just loved seeing him out there.

Kirkwood and Williams were physical

If Marquise is healthy, I think we win this game

that's about it....
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Wait - is Kill the Special Teams coach?
 


I believe Jay Sawvel and Kill both carry special teams duties. That said, I don't think they make any player substitutions like that without the head coaches approval, particularly on the first play of the game.
 



tikited said:
good problem to have.
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Yes, and for the record, I prefer an Old-Fashioned Sweet. Muddle the bitters, sugar (I make a simple sugar syrup), but I also drop in a maraschino cherry and some Sprite or 7-up and muddle all that. Pack the glass with ice, add your whiskey (I use Jack) give a quick stir and top with a cherry, or sometimes I add a pineapple chunk on a sword to the cherry.
 

Limegrover and the entire offense are plagued by complete inconsistency at QB and the OL. It's tough to go week to week with such different QB's, much harder to pinball back and forth intra-game. Due to injury, the OL is like a chinese fire drill. At the end of the game it was a rag tag squad in there. I thought the fade to McDonald simply slipped out of his hand. He kind of double clutched and it just kind of came out awkward.

I didn't have that much of a problem with the end of the half. With about 5 min. left I was just hoping to get to half still down 21-10. A turnover and points for NW would have been disastrous, plus it just started to rain.

The RS OL will be key because they are good, and will build the necessary depth. Having a solid unit even if a guy or two go down will be huge.
 

I think Sawvel is official special teams and Kill works the the kickers, long-snaps. Regardless, that was a mess.
 

i am pretty sure Kill runs special teams. gophs coulda won it today and i could see gophs beating the badgers.
 

I do think it was funny reading one post calling Limegrover's playcalling "predictable", and then a few posts later criticizing him for running it on a 3rd and long, and passing on a 3rd and short, moves that most would consider to be "unpredictable", at least IMO they are.

Let's face it, the offense is quite jumbled right now, with the QB situation all over the place, and the O-line screwed around. We're not gonna be humming up and down the field right now (and we actually moved the ball decent, just too many miscues), the two most important pieces of an offense are not running well right now. Until that happens, they'll probably continue to be really frustrating at times.
 


You would think the Gopher offense might be world beaters. They really don't have a ton of talent right now and the people who are talented like Gray have been getting injured. My mind is still in the rebuilding phase I am just not going to get all worked up until this club starts winning more games.
 

Limegrover was fine today....

He had rotating injured QBs.
He had dropped TDs / players slipping on easy TDs.
He lost numerous plays throughout the game because of errant snaps (that's make it hard to get First Downs).
We had a pretty even distribution of passes to runs called (when you take into account the fumbles being called runs and the sacks being called rushing attempts).

I hated our offense today, the playcalling was perfectly fine. The problem was execution.

On a side note, I hated the fake FG and LB kickreturner calls...those were brutal.
 

Limegrover single handedly is losing us this game. HORRIBLE play calling. We pass the ball down the field perfect and we get first and goal and HAND THE BALL TWICE FOR NO GAIN! I would have passed the ball 4 times!!
 


GG07 said:
Limegrover single handedly is losing us this game.
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I didn't realize it was Limegrover's playcalling that gave up 28 points so far.
 

I'm not a big Limegrover fan or detractor, but he's anything but predictable. He reminds me a bit of the Joe Salem approach which always seemed to be (and I paraphrase) "there's no way we can match up with them, so I guess we'll have to trick them."
 

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