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Come on Doogie, it's absurd for one coach to claim a job preference for 100 others. I get that Minnesota is a mysterious place for those who haven't been here - but I know first-hand that our retention of executive talent is off the charts. We've had a 15 year run of mid-level play with some low-point years - this being one. How have ASU and Colorado fared? How are their facilities? What is the compensation package that they are prepared to offer? Isn't CU's athletic department nearly bankrupt? Recruiting territory is a challenge for us. Weather is so overblown, though across the country the perception exists that we are the north pole.

I think ASU/UMN/CU are comparable schools with different strengths and weaknesses. It's all about a fit at Minnesota, just like it will be for the Buffs and Devils.
 


Doogie said:
Talked to a high-level FBS assistant coach tonight... this person, who knows some of the candidates well, said he's heard that the "U" is willing to offer an 8-year deal, with the $$ as high as $2.6 mil., or maybe even a bit higher... one clear sticking point will be the pres. and AD (Maturi done in June '12) leaving... whoever the hire is, assume that he will get some say built into his contract on who the next AD is (be on the committee that makes the hire)
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I read this paragraph and two names scream out loud to me, the first being Bellotti and the second being Golden. Two different ends of the spectrum as far as pints in their careers. But both wanting long term deals to (Bellotti) turn the program around and name a successor after the 8 year period, also wanting some input on a successor for AD which at he one point was and (Golden) be assured enough time to fully turn the program around and get a long term commitment from the university for not being available for the Penn St. job. I could be way off on these two.
 

As Darth Vader said...

kearsm said:
Everyone is talking that Col or AZ would be the better jobs, but you need to remember Sumlins wife is from here. We all know how that works-the wife I am sure would love to come back and be close to her family. They have a way of getting what they want. I think he would be a good coach for the U.
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...Don't underestimate the power of the dark side of the force, Luke

LOL. My wife can effectively end any argument with "If I'm not happy, you won't be happy." Which loosely translates to "I will make your life a living hell if I don't get my way."

I live in the house of estrogen. Wife, daughter, female golden retriever. The only one I ever win an argument with is the dog. Sometimes.
 

TAW: unfortunately, the administration at the University of Minnesota...

has operated for almost the past half-century without having much, if any skin in the game. They have played "rent-a-coach" as a way to keep long-time ticket holders (like me) off their back. They would just fire a coach and throw out a new one and they thought they were "getting by..." with the foolish, loyal season ticket holding fans.

Then, they abandoned THE BRICK HOUSE on campus and went to play in the dome because rent was free. Of course, they had no revenue from the dome and were the red-haired step-child in the deal. They just kept collecting the revenue sharing from the Big Ten Conference to help pay for Title IX and non-revenue sports. (While wisky was cutting baseball, bringing in Badger favorite/very successful busisness man Pat Richter and prexy/chancellor S to make an administrative committment to their football program, the U of M kept right on trying to keep the heat off by replacing still another coach and free-loading at the dome with all the negative consequences that came with that type of state/city/corporate welfare system.)

Finally, the U of M built TCF BANK STADIUM and they now have THAT 25 year State bonding issue to keep them a little more honest. The state will cut them to the quick if they defalt on that deal by not making the stadium work. The state's bond-rating would take a nasty hit if the U messes the retirement of that resource up. So now, they have that ball and chain that the stadium gives them on their necks.

The U of M settled for a wisky reject, badger joel macturi as the ad. He has run several of our revenue sports into the ground, with very little hope in sight for Men's Hockey and Football. prexy b. is totally lame duck. He will be retired from his position by June of 2011. The incompetent badger joel macturi is 65 and more incompetent than ever.

Therefore, it is essential for the administration at the U of M to make a committment to the new coach for a very long time. That way, they can't just try to "fire their way" to keeping the fan-base and M-Men off their backs. They have to commit to making the football program competetive in the Big Ten Conference.

Prexy/chancy S and Pat Richter got it done for wisky. (baseball R. I. P.) The University of Minnesota has never had it's administrators make a solid and COMPLETE committment to the Football Program during the past 50 or 60 years. We have fired and run off TWO coaches who won National Championships. We abandoned a Campus Stadium. We currently have another in a long line of incompetent athletic directors (badger joel macturi). It is time to do things a LOT differently with the Football Program. It is way past time. An 8 year contract would be a start. Perhaps there would also need to be an "automatic extension" period during each three year interval. When ever the contract would reach five years remaining, it would be time to extend the contract back out to 8 years remaining or put together a real "improvement plan" between the administration and the coach. Committment is the key to EVERYTHING. And committment means a LOT more than just building a new stadium. It's a start...but ONLY a start. Already prexy b and badger joel macturi have dropped the ball on the "new beginning" that TCF BANK STADIUM should have provided. It is time for the U of M administration to enter into a long-term, committed relationship with a football coach without a "prenuptual agreement or convenient "buy out clause..."
 


Rosemountian said:
Seems like Doogie is stumping for Sumlin. I think he is pretty solid, but not close to an A+ hire. I'd give it a B+. He hasn't gone out and said the U should hire Sumlin but he may as well have.


Also, if someone is getting reliable information that says they are willing to offer in the mid-2s with up to 8 years and write into the contract that the coach would have an influence on the next AD hire, then clearly it indicates that although Sumlin may be in the mix, he is not the top candidate at this time. If he was, they would not be floating those high numbers.
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I prefer Calhoun... but would be fine with Sumlin... just being realistic... too many people have said that Harbaugh, Petersen, Patterson, & Mullen are unrealistic... so, Sumlin is among a few I like in that next bunch.
 


gopherjay said:
Really find it hard to believe those two places are a better job. Our quality of the community easily competes with Colorado and blows Arizona away. Endorsements, business connections are high quality here and Minneapolis has more to offer. The weather is not a factor. The Big Ten has more clout as well. I think we will land a rock star guy. I believe the university will hire a business man to lead the athletic department when Joel Maturi retires which is a successful trend around the country. The next University president is going to be on board with who we hire. No sticking points that I can see.
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Who qualifies as a rock star? Calhoun? Sumlin? Golden? Don't destroy the messenger... this coach speaks for many... the national view is that Col. & ASU are better jobs, especially with the pres. and AD leaving here in the near future... not knowing who your two bosses are is huge... that's why whoever the new coach is will get into his contract some language that puts him on the committee to help pick the new AD.
 

I don't get why everyone on here keeps saying that the U has a bigger rebuilding job to do than Col. Thay may have won a couple more games this season but they are also a complete mess as well. Remember, they wanted to fire Hawkins LAST season but they couldn't afford his buyout.
 



minngg said:
Thanks a lot Doogie. great stuff. It has been common knowledge that it would take a long term deal and over $2 Million to get a solid coach here. Please say thanks to Gordy for his input. Also, your continued plugging for Sumlin and Gordy's hope that he could return under him is getting old. Between Joe S and Doogie, more disinformation has been posted on this board than I thought possible. Throwing out names like 2 days after the U hired a search firm? Acting like it is inside information on what very good coaches are getting paid today? One person's view on whther this is a better job that ASU or Colorado? Thanks for nothing.
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If you don't want to believe, then don't read, and don't bother posting a reaction... but don't attack the messenger... if I thought the source was full of BS, I would hold back, and I have on many other tips... I feel good about this info.... and I promise on my soon-to-be first son's life that Gordy is not my connection to this information.
 

If you don't want a reaction, you're in the wrong business.
 

I get the reaction... but minngg is clueless on this one... pick your spots.
 

imthewalrus said:
Then, they abandoned THE BRICK HOUSE on campus and went to play in the dome because rent was free. Of course, they had no revenue from the dome and were the red-haired step-child in the deal. They just kept collecting the revenue sharing from the Big Ten Conference to help pay for Title IX and non-revenue sports. (While wisky was cutting baseball, bringing in Badger favorite/very successful busisness man Pat Richter and prexy/chancellor S to make an administrative committment to their football program, the U of M kept right on trying to keep the heat off by replacing still another coach and free-loading at the dome with all the negative consequences that came with that type of state/city/corporate welfare system.)
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Dumbest move ever and I have harped on it incessantly.

Agree with other points in your longer post as well imthewalrus.

I like the 8-year contract angle, but if we are going to go this route, let's make sure we have money to keep a consistent posse of solid assistants (including a couple of guys with future head-coaching potential) on the staff. I was criticized a couple of weeks back for posting that I didn't think much of most of Mason's assistants. The criticism was somewhat valid in that I didn't realize that early in Mason's tenure, there were some very talented guys--Snyder, Stripling, and Phillips--who were here for awhile.

Whether they left because of Mason, money, or the nature of the business doesn't matter. The fact is they left and they appear to be decent assistant coaches. There has to be a commitment to keeping solid assistant coaches here and on the payroll. Look at Wisconsin and Iowa and don't think having assistants with long tenures doesn't make a difference for those programs.
 



Doogie said:
Who qualifies as a rock star? Calhoun? Sumlin? Golden? Don't destroy the messenger... this coach speaks for many... the national view is that Col. & ASU are better jobs, especially with the pres. and AD leaving here in the near future... not knowing who your two bosses are is huge... that's why whoever the new coach is will get into his contract some language that puts him on the committee to help pick the new AD.
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Calhoun, Sumlin, and Golden would all be considered strong hires. Do you really believe that this coach speaks for many - if so, how many? I fully agree that the Prez and AD transitions are issues, but those will be addressed as protections in contract, likely on a compensation/buy-out and a prominent role in the AD selection.

I could talk to a high level assistant who would have an entirely different view than the one you relayed. There is no absolute or right answer on which opportunity is better. It's all about a fit.
 

Doogie brings up a good point, who would a "rock star" type of hire? Are people saying that really believing that Patterson, Peterson, Harbaugh or Leach is going to be coaching the U next season?

For me, the only guy who I would consider a "rock star" type of hire who is gettable is Mike Bellotti (and that's a big assumption that he is gettable). Other than him, of the guys we can get, there are just a bunch of guys who look like good coaches (Sumlin, Golden, Calhoun, Mullen, etc.).
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Doogie brings up a good point, who would a "rock star" type of hire? Are people saying that really believing that Patterson, Peterson, Harbaugh or Leach is going to be coaching the U next season?

For me, the only guy who I would consider a "rock star" type of hire who is gettable is Mike Bellotti (and that's a big assumption that he is gettable). Other than him, of the guys we can get, there are just a bunch of guys who look like good coaches (Sumlin, Golden, Calhoun, Mullen, etc.).
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Rock star hire = Mike Leach, simple as that.

The guy is a proven winner, where winning doesn't come easy and would bring instant credibility to a program that needs it.

We won't get him though even though he is proly one of the easiest hires because he is trying to get back into coaching.
 

I'm sorry. Kevin Sumlin does not deserve 20 million dollars from us.
 

Doogie, Appreciate you sharing the information.

Was this coach throwing 98/100 out there in an "all things being equal" (i.e. money) scenario?
 

Doogie said:
Who qualifies as a rock star? Calhoun? Sumlin? Golden? Don't destroy the messenger... this coach speaks for many... the national view is that Col. & ASU are better jobs, especially with the pres. and AD leaving here in the near future... not knowing who your two bosses are is huge... that's why whoever the new coach is will get into his contract some language that puts him on the committee to help pick the new AD.
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There are "rock stars" that have not been mentioned yet. The AD and President issue here is a non factor. The whole thing is running smooth right now and we are all going to be pleasantly surprised. Remember that during negotiations, the other job is better than the one your interviewing for.
 

"I heard from a close personal friend...."

Ski U Master said:
Really? ...That's alot of money...

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"that Minnesota won't pay $2.6 million for a head football coach. The football program is sort of constipated....like I am."

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Rosemountian said:
Arizona State is paying their coach 1.1 million. If they want to continue paying a similar amount and the gophers are willing to pay over 2, then it is NOT a better job for most coaches.

Equal pay Colorado and Arizona State are better jobs than Minnesota, but it is not such a difference that a significant difference in pay could not make up for.
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I think you have to be careful to assume that more money makes a job better. If I work at Burger King for $10 an hour and then get a raise to $25 an hour, it is the same crappy job, but I now would be willing to tolerate it longer for the huge increase in pay. I hope the U doesnt just throw money for the sake of throwing money at someone. If you give a coach too much money, they may not be motivated to continue to strive for success. Many a great professional haven't worked as hard after they have gotten their "payday"
 

The inferiority complex continues. Why do you guys assume Arizona State and Colorado are better jobs? Both are in states that have multiple D-1 schools in them. Neither has a ton of tradition. And the Big Ten is a more attractive conference than the PAC-12.
 

year of the gopher said:
The inferiority complex continues. Why do you guys assume Arizona State and Colorado are better jobs? Both are in states that have multiple D-1 schools in them. Neither has a ton of tradition. And the Big Ten is a more attractive conference than the PAC-12.
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Because Doogie talked to an assistant coach who apparently speaks for at least 100 others in similar positions who have stated that MN is the inferior option. It's a fact, apparently. No word on whether Trestman or Bohl agree with Doogie's big scoop...
 

misplaced cornerback said:
Because Doogie talked to an assistant coach who apparently speaks for at least 100 others in similar positions who have stated that MN is the inferior option. It's a fact, apparently. No word on whether Trestman or Bohl agree with Doogie's big scoop...
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Chill out a little. He reported what that person said. That's it. Where did he or anyone state it as fact?
 

The hard part of evaluating a comment like that is you don't know what their criteria (perceptions of the school) is.
 

year of the gopher said:
The inferiority complex continues. Why do you guys assume Arizona State and Colorado are better jobs? Both are in states that have multiple D-1 schools in them. Neither has a ton of tradition. And the Big Ten is a more attractive conference than the PAC-12.
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I guess I would ask you the same question, why is the Big Ten a more attractive conference than the Pac-12, to me they are pretty close to equal? My opinion is that these jobs are better than the Minnesota job because they both have recruiting advantages over Minnesota, especially Arizona State. It is located in one of the fastest growing metro areas with quite a bit of Division 1 talent in state that is only getting better as the population continues to grow there. There are also situated close to the prime recruiting grounds of Southern California as well as Las Vegas. The weather also plays into their advantage when trying to recruit athletes from warmer weather climates like California. In regards to the Colorado job as discussed before, they also have significant recruiting inroads in California already(currently they have 27 californians on the roster) which will likely get stronger as a member of the Pac-12.
 

Goldmember said:
Doogie, Appreciate you sharing the information.

Was this coach throwing 98/100 out there in an "all things being equal" (i.e. money) scenario?
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What information? What did you learn that is factual?
 

minngg said:
What information? What did you learn that is factual?
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I have learned that Doogie had a conversation with a person who told him some things.

Who told you that you have to believe any of it? Jesus, settle down.
 

minngg said:
What information? What did you learn that is factual?
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If the coach Doogie talked to had said that 98% of coaches think the Minnesota job is the best, would you be attacking the information and calling for proof? I think we both know the answer to that question.
 

Studwell55 said:
I'm sorry. Kevin Sumlin does not deserve 20 million dollars from us.
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He may not get it... based on percentages, and an email exchange this morning, I am no longer making him the slight favorite like I did 2 weeks ago.
 

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