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holereader said:
Good point - along those same lines I was trying to think of other players we have lost in transfer (portal or otherwise) who went on to bigger things. Can anybody come up with some names? Bucky Irving I guess but that’s all I can think of.
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Left guard at Vanderbilt. RT at tOSU. Bucky. LB at FAU likely now transferring back to P4.
 


Mr. 131 said:
lol. You are so invested in Koi that you’d stop being a fan over his departure?!
But yea, Coyle is soft and needs to go. He can’t find raise.
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I'm going to disagree that Coyle is "soft" and assert that monetary donors to the U are hard on athletics. The U helped create and/or significantly grow companies like Control Data Corp, Medtronic, Cray Research, Honeywell, St Jude Medical, Cargill, and General Mills.

Many of these companies wanted to donate to areas where they would get direct returns like the I.T. dept, Medical School and Ag School. The U was trend laggards in getting alumni to develop endowments, in general with no large efforts starting until the early 1980s.

When they did start on endowments, the athletic department was ostracized by administration because it was easier to say "Hey, you are a leader in widgets and we have an exemplary widget school, which you went to by the way, so why not make sure it gets the funding it needs?"

Any athletic donations or endowments targeted Title IX efforts because of the misandry directed at revenue generating sports. Financial support, idealistically, went to shoring up non-revenue generating sports. This is why football got banished to the MetroDump, er, HHH Metrdome and the U started to lose sports revenues, because they were "sharing" them with non-University facilities and organizations.

Administrators became complacent with the lower athletic revenues believing their idealism was working. It was working until other schools started making efforts to upgrade and expand their sports to generate more revenues from more sports.

It was at this point the U employed the Ostrich method for handling finances school-wide. The wagons were circled because the moneyed crowd was going to attack the intellectual crowd. The focus was on delivering academic results and the pressure chipped away at integrity and accountability which is how we wound up with the last three decades of academic scandals at the U.

The administration also started hawking the behaviors of athletes once the balance tipped towards academic scandals outweighing athletic ones.

The StarTribune ran an article on the scandals at the U over the last decade or so because they have been so egregious. I would post a link to it, but I don't want to force their paywall on anyone.

When I say that the U has an integrity problem, I mean it Academic scandals, particularly financially related ones, have grown at an alarming rate. They outpaced any athletic ones. It seems like they are trying to keep academic funding growth at a pace with the NIL effect in athletics. They seem to be continuing to steer donations away from athletics thinking it will improve academic results. This takes the donors intentions out of the donors hands. What donors wants to feel that they have minimal control of their donations?

That same "lack of donation control" brush does paint over the athletic department. People want to donate to save Men's Gymnastics only to be essentially told "No". That is both an athletic and academic administrative blunder.

So I don't think Coyle is soft in terms of generating donations, I think the U, as a whole, has administrators who love exercising an entitlement to overreach their power limits.
 

Mr. 131 said:
I want this energy from roughly 25% of our fan base at all times. Even if this is a white hot take, I would enjoy your company at a game. lol

The on field product hasn’t changed, and outside of the S-tier programs, there is much more parity. Guess it just depends on how you define watchable.

Time will tell. The U has shown an ability to produce NFL talent
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I bring a lot of energy to the games. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife🤣
 


So, he chose to play offense, defense and special teams, risking injury in the storied and highly prestigious Rate Bowl, and then decided it was time to move on? Either he and his handlers/family/advisors are among the dumbest people to walk this planet, or someone came around with more money. No other scenario makes any sense.
 


Random Guy 12 said:
I guess I'm not as convinced as everyone else that he can transfer to OSU and start. I think his all B1G picks this year were based off of his Freshman season and reputation. If Ohio State is interested I'm sure he'll get more $ and play for a contender both. Ohio State of course has a talented freshman that could fill Down's spot also so we'll see.
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I can't disagree with your skepticism. He did struggle at times last year and he'd be competing with the next wave of safeties that are currently depth at Ohio State. Those goods were all similar level recruits to Koi.

So I don't necessarily disagree with your skepticism, I just think he ends up at a school like that. He's played a ton and he's had moments of brilliance.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
If we are talking about athletics, it's impossible to separate winning from "pomp and circumstance". By pomp and circumstance, I assume you mean that they get to play in the biggest games with the brightest spotlights. I don't see how that is any different than winning.
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I think there is a distinction for sure. Texas USC Florida Tennessee scream hey look at us, we're brands! They will host a gameday, they get hyped... and then finish 8-4 just like the gophers will. Its like the cowboys in the nfl or the Lakers in the nba.
 



If I am headed to the NFL, I would prefer to practice every day against receivers who can separate from a dback, be coached by a strong teacher, and not be spread so thin I cannot give developing at my own position the attention it requires.
 

leib0039 said:
I think there is a distinction for sure. Texas USC Florida Tennessee scream hey look at us, we're brands! They will host a gameday, they get hyped... and then finish 8-4 just like the gophers will. Its like the cowboys in the nfl or the Lakers in the nba.
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Texas played in the semi-finals last year and they went 13-3. They went 12-2 the year before that (top 5 in the country) and 10-3 this year.

You don't think they have a better chance of playing in big games, CFP and winning next year than the Gophers?


If he goes to USC or Florida, sure, it's about the money.
 

He’s dead to me now. I doubt he starts anywhere that would be considered an upgrade from here unless they have nobody but freshmen coming back. Even then he might get passed up.
 

John Galt said:
He’s not leaving for money - he wants to win.
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My son happened to bump into someone that would know, and this is exactly what was said. Totally unsolicited information, too.

He'll probably get a nice bump in NIL because why the heck not, but apparently its not the main factor in his decision.
 




CentralGopher said:
He’s dead to me now. I doubt he starts anywhere that would be considered an upgrade from here unless they have nobody but freshmen coming back. Even then he might get passed up.
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He gave us two years. Wish he’d stay but don’t blame him. If we wanna keep talent, we need to perform better.
 

After sleeping on it, my thoughts are this: he was not the player I wanted kept out of the transfer portal most, that was Drake Lindsey. He is coming back. He is not even, in my opinion, the best player on the team. That is Anthony Smith, and he is coming back. Meanwhile, Koi was allegedly being paid a ton more than either of them and had an overall average season. As long as we use the available funds well this does not change our ability to have a good season next year, and that’s what I care about most of all
 


60's Guy said:
Not a conclusion...haven't thought about it long enough to reach a conclusion but there are these factors:
1. He put his name in the portal...he's probably not doing that without a couple offers in advance.
I wouldn't, if I was as much of a talking point as Koi is in Minnesota. Difficult to crawl back to Minnesota.
2. But without offers in advance...safety on the charts earns the least money in the portal. The difference in money would not seem worth the criticism if it's say $100-$200k...and it seems we'd meet that as well.
3. The defensive stat numbers above are inline with my perceived value rank as a sophomore on the Gophers. Lots of potential but spotty production for the million dollars he likely got paid.
4. Only takes one interested suitor but if it doesn't happen quickly he may return. Will somebody give him $1.5 or $2M? I don't place that value on him. Anywhere else he does not have the home state adoration and even more pressure to perform. For many in Minnesota he can do no wrong...don't think Miami will offer much grace for missed tackles that result in opponents TD's or first downs.
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It’s gotta be about fit + money.
Does he leave if it’s not both?


If he gets more money to be a starter at Ohio state he’s gone
If he gets more money and they tell him he is the nickelback and third S does he go?

If the best offer he has is to be a starter and a bigger check at Michigan state does he go? Or is it only if it’s a top 15 kind of program?



I guess we will learn about everything except the money by next fall.
 


Ewert86PC said:
I'm going to disagree that Coyle is "soft" and assert that monetary donors to the U are hard on athletics. The U helped create and/or significantly grow companies like Control Data Corp, Medtronic, Cray Research, Honeywell, St Jude Medical, Cargill, and General Mills.

Many of these companies wanted to donate to areas where they would get direct returns like the I.T. dept, Medical School and Ag School. The U was trend laggards in getting alumni to develop endowments, in general with no large efforts starting until the early 1980s.

When they did start on endowments, the athletic department was ostracized by administration because it was easier to say "Hey, you are a leader in widgets and we have an exemplary widget school, which you went to by the way, so why not make sure it gets the funding it needs?"

Any athletic donations or endowments targeted Title IX efforts because of the misandry directed at revenue generating sports. Financial support, idealistically, went to shoring up non-revenue generating sports. This is why football got banished to the MetroDump, er, HHH Metrdome and the U started to lose sports revenues, because they were "sharing" them with non-University facilities and organizations.

Administrators became complacent with the lower athletic revenues believing their idealism was working. It was working until other schools started making efforts to upgrade and expand their sports to generate more revenues from more sports.

It was at this point the U employed the Ostrich method for handling finances school-wide. The wagons were circled because the moneyed crowd was going to attack the intellectual crowd. The focus was on delivering academic results and the pressure chipped away at integrity and accountability which is how we wound up with the last three decades of academic scandals at the U.

The administration also started hawking the behaviors of athletes once the balance tipped towards academic scandals outweighing athletic ones.

The StarTribune ran an article on the scandals at the U over the last decade or so because they have been so egregious. I would post a link to it, but I don't want to force their paywall on anyone.

When I say that the U has an integrity problem, I mean it Academic scandals, particularly financially related ones, have grown at an alarming rate. They outpaced any athletic ones. It seems like they are trying to keep academic funding growth at a pace with the NIL effect in athletics. They seem to be continuing to steer donations away from athletics thinking it will improve academic results. This takes the donors intentions out of the donors hands. What donors wants to feel that they have minimal control of their donations?

That same "lack of donation control" brush does paint over the athletic department. People want to donate to save Men's Gymnastics only to be essentially told "No". That is both an athletic and academic administrative blunder.

So I don't think Coyle is soft in terms of generating donations, I think the U, as a whole, has administrators who love exercising an entitlement to overreach their power limits.
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There is a lot of institutional and historical problems at the U of M that everyone in fundraising has to overcome

Two of the top 3 donors to UST down the road have no prior affiliation to the university. Big donors can be developed from even outside the alumni network but it takes years if not decades of development. The U of M does this well now, IMO but is decades behind some other big ten schools.

Should Mn have sold the entire health system to Sanford health? Maybe? Idk. Above my pay grade
 

tjgopher said:
I don't recall that. Someone else might remember.

I know we had Joshua Ola-Joseph transfer to Cal from here.

We had BJ Omot transfer from Cal to here.

Don't know about anyone who went there and came back.
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Both Gach did that at Utah, at Utah, came here, went back to Utah.
 


Some guy said:
There is a lot of institutional and historical problems at the U of M that everyone in fundraising has to overcome

Two of the top 3 donors to UST down the road have no prior affiliation to the university. Big donors can be developed from even outside the alumni network but it takes years if not decades of development. The U of M does this well now, IMO but is decades behind some other big ten schools.

Should Mn have sold the entire health system to Sanford health? Maybe? Idk. Above my pay grade
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All I can say is it started when Ken Keller was president of the U and its been a fecal stormfront ever since.
 



Wherever he goes I wish him the best. He gave MN two years and owes us nothing.

We sign plenty of players from other schools that were good it’s just part of the landscape now.
 



This (see link below) is a good listen.

Some points:

1) Perich is an amazing athlete, and because of that he chases the football. He freelances. That's how big plays happen, but when you're the 'center fielder' on defense you sometimes need to play 'boring' football — keep the play in front of you. When you gamble and miss as a safety, bad things can happen.

2) Perich was one of the top-paid players. That money can now go elsewhere. Burns specifically mentioned defensive tackle. With the Perich money, combined with the fact that Logan-Redding and Eastern are off the books, they will have some capital to shore up the tackle position.

3) Safety is a position of strength, even without Perich. Kerry Brown is coming back. Gousby likely returning. Burns also mentioned some young talent at the position, already on the roster.

 


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