Keelon Brookins De-commits from Minnesota and heads to rival Badgers

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you gotta quit finishin in the bottom of the BT if you want the top local BT talent.
 

Also, the title of this thread is funny. It reminds me of those Packer shirts that said, "We'll never forget you, Brent."
 

I don't think so. The probation really doesn't seem to be hurting PSU as much as we all originally thought. Only a couple of 2013 recruits have decommitted and no one has transferred. Certainly PSU isn't going to the CCG any time in the next 4 seasons, but after that they may be right back to prominence.
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You will see a bigger turnover after the season. Right now it is really too late to leave the program this year and play for another team. It's tough to get acclimated to a new system, university and program in a month and be a relevant member of this years team.
 

wait!what? said:
you gotta quit finishin in the bottom of the BT if you want the top local BT talent.
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That's not really true. I suppose it's true for when the big dogs come around (Notre Dame), but there are countless of examples of players in our program with WI and IA offers who chose the U, even during this bad stretch.
 

Wouldn't You like to Know said:
You will see a bigger turnover after the season. Right now it is really too late to leave the program this year and play for another team. It's tough to get acclimated to a new system, university and program in a month and be a relevant member of this years team.
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Upon what is this prediction of a mass exodus based?
 


Give Kill time. I think for the first time in a long time you have a coach with the knowledge AND passion to bring the Gophers back to a very competitive level (at least competing for NYD bowl games). But it's going to take more than a year or two. I know that it's been a long time, but another year or two while he builds a real program isn't going to kill you (no pun intended), and the results will be worth it.
 

This stings, but it's very possible that Mr. Brookins has a thing for ugly, fat women, in which case, you can't really blame him.
 

justthefacts said:
I don't think so. The probation really doesn't seem to be hurting PSU as much as we all originally thought. Only a couple of 2013 recruits have decommitted and no one has transferred. Certainly PSU isn't going to the CCG any time in the next 4 seasons, but after that they may be right back to prominence.
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Maybe we should let it play out for more than 24 hours before we judge how PSU's class (and roster) will look on signing day in about seven months.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Even Brew rarely lost to Iowa or WI in a battle (I believe only Beau Allen had a Brew offer and ended up at IA or WI)
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I'm often beating the "Brew was a fantastic recruiter" drum, but I know that he also lost at least one OL (too lazy to look up the name) and it's worth mentioning that he also lost a good number of people to other schools. That said, Kill isn't as good of a salesman as Brewster. He's a considerably better coach, but he's losing a lot of these head-to-head battles and it's becoming a theme.

As for Brookins, the writing was on the wall as soon as he went to the Badgers camp to get an offer. You don't work out for an offer if you're fully committed to the team you have one from.

Part of me wants to be the generally open-minded fellow I try to be and say that it's his life, but the other part of me wants him to fall down the stairs. Meh...
 



Geez people, chill out. It's July. Whether Brookins comes back or not, who knows, but if he doesn't, maybe we'll end up getting somebody better. Talk to me in February.
 

RodentRampage said:
Upon what is this prediction of a mass exodus based?
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It just seems like common sense and I never mentioned a "mass exodus." IMO it makes more sense for any player that is on the team to leave after the year especially one that is guaranteed playing time. Only in a few special cases can a player switch programs and make a difference this year with their new team. Especially considering the time crunch.
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
Geez people, chill out. It's July. Whether Brookins comes back or not, who knows, but if he doesn't, maybe we'll end up getting somebody better. Talk to me in February.
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the last time this happened we had some zebsinski or some name that started with a Z...we had him, the badgers plucked him, the boards were up in arms and this guy was never heard from again
 

The funny thing is that I was at an AAU tournament in Hopkins Monday and Brookins was working the door at the event. I asked him about the Badgers having offered him recently and he told me that he was 100% committed to the Gophers.

Chris Monter
 



Goldteam said:
the last time this happened we had some zebsinski or some name that started with a Z...we had him, the badgers plucked him, the boards were up in arms and this guy was never heard from again
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Maybe because he will be a RS Soph this fall? He will play a lot and barring injury will almost certainly be a starter before he's done with Becky. Make no mistake - losing Zagzebski hurt. Losing Marz hurt. Losing Brookins (assuming he stays with Becky) will hurt too.

Now - why did you make me something nice about a bunch of filthy stinking BADgers?
 

Chris Monter said:
The funny thing is that I was at an AAU tournament in Hopkins Monday and Brookins was working the door at the event. I asked him about the Badgers having offered him recently and he told me that he was 100% committed to the Gophers.

Chris Monter
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I happen to believe Chris Monter, therefore Keelon Brookins is a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing liar.
 

Big deal

Yawn. Don't we have six months to flip, flop and change our minds four times?
 

Goldteam said:
the last time this happened we had some zebsinski or some name that started with a Z...we had him, the badgers plucked him, the boards were up in arms and this guy was never heard from again
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That was Konrad Zagzebski, he got some PT last season as a FR for WI along the DLine and is probably in line to get quite a bit of PT this season. He'll only be a SO, so it's not like he fell of the face of the earth.
 

Gopherprof said:
I'm often beating the "Brew was a fantastic recruiter" drum, but I know that he also lost at least one OL (too lazy to look up the name) and it's worth mentioning that he also lost a good number of people to other schools. That said, Kill isn't as good of a salesman as Brewster. He's a considerably better coach, but he's losing a lot of these head-to-head battles and it's becoming a theme.

As for Brookins, the writing was on the wall as soon as he went to the Badgers camp to get an offer. You don't work out for an offer if you're fully committed to the team you have one from.

Part of me wants to be the generally open-minded fellow I try to be and say that it's his life, but the other part of me wants him to fall down the stairs. Meh...
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Prove he's a better coach. What proof do you have to prove he's a better coach? Was it the 3-9 record last year?
 


Johnnyboy18 said:
Prove he's a better coach. What proof do you have to prove he's a better coach? Was it the 3-9 record last year?
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Brew was 1-11 his first year, so he's off to a better start.
 


The reality is, this is going to happen - every state loses good players to nearby programs for any number of reasons. Do local fans want it to happen? Of course not, but times are different. Kids aren't secluded in their home states anymore. They go to camps all over the place. They spend weeks traveling to visit other campuses. Having camped/visited, kids can make even more informed decisions on where they want to go, and being away from home isn't such a big deal anymore - they've likely traveled and camped all over the place anyway.

Brookins made his committment what, in February? And even at the time, he said he was going to keep his options open. He went to Wisconsin and obviously like BB and company, and the program, better. I have never met BB personally, and can only base my opinion of what I've seen, heard, and read of him through the media and what even fans of WI have said about him (which, in most cases, is admittedly hearsay). That said, I can't stand anything about the guy, and while some have mentioned that Brew was a much better "salesman" (the implication being that he was a good salesman; as a salesman myself, I try not to take offense to that) than Kill, I think my opinion on that to date is inconclusive. Brew was flash, Kill is substance. Flash brought us some really good players - Gray, Coop, Tinsley, but would never have gotten us Philip Nelson, and perhaps not Andre McDonald. Flash also led to tons of attrition, and a team with real d-bags on it, who were doing horribly in the classroom (potentially ineligible, and potentially costing the squad scholarships down the road).

Different strokes for different folks, and perhaps I'm too much of a kool aid guy, but I have infinitely more faith in Kill in where he will have the program two years from now - both in way of wins and the devlopment of players on the roster - than I ever had in Brew (who I tried hard to give the benefit of the doubt to - until the South Dakota game - but always had some concerns).
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
Prove he's a better coach. What proof do you have to prove he's a better coach? Was it the 3-9 record last year?
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You could start with the fact that he couldn't possibly be worst.

I'm the last person you would want to argue about this. My general opinion is that people are way too pollyannish about Kill on this board. That said, there is absolutely no question that he is a better football coach than Tim Brewster. The fact that nobody will hire Brewster for a head coaching job after the disaster here is evidence of that. If Kill was fired today he'd have job offers from non-BCS schools tomorrow.

Brewster could sell ice to an Eskimo, but he didn't seem to know the first thing about being a head coach, probably because he had never been one beyond the high school level.
 

Somebody once famously quipped "Now I know who my competiton is" when a recruit verbally chose an opposing school......

Let 'er play out. He's a 17 year old kid; obviously it shows he can be influenced & change his mind. Time to show some improvement from Year 1 to Year 2.....

I do admit, it's hard to stomach. This isn't like Zagzebski or Nortman who were WI kids....this is more like Brendan Kelly, only he's good & plays a position the state's not known for producing...
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I like Coach Kill, but this is a bad sign. I do not blame Kill for missing out on Onwualu as I never thought MN had a chance to land him. However, I agree with a previous poster losing Rucker to Iowa and Brookins to WI is unacceptable. We can't lose in-state players to IA and WI. It's a totally different kind of loss than it is when the big boys show up (Notre Dame). Even Brew rarely lost to Iowa or WI in a battle (I believe only Beau Allen had a Brew offer and ended up at IA or WI).

Oh well, maybe he'll change his mind. Either way, we'll continue on and go Gophers!
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Disagree...the kids need to make up their minds where they want to play. I do not like the fact he de-committed and went to Wisconsin, the other one going to Iowa is on him given the Gophers beating Iowa the last 2 years and the current state of their program.

Personally I would have rather he did not originally commit then to pull this, but it is what it is, Especially when this is probably about Beilema's ego more then anything. It would have probably done him well to talk with Royston before switching.

As Coach Kill continues to build the program and put more wins on the table, players will think twice about walking away.
 

Free country and all. I wish him luck. Always curious to know why the switch.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Maybe because he will be a RS Soph this fall? He will play a lot and barring injury will almost certainly be a starter before he's done with Becky. Make no mistake - losing Zagzebski hurt. Losing Marz hurt. Losing Brookins (assuming he stays with Becky) will hurt too.

Now - why did you make me something nice about a bunch of filthy stinking BADgers?
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If you keep it up, Badger2010 will never need to post here again. Something to think about...
 

4four4 said:
Winning cures everything. When Kill starts to win that my friends is when the bleeding ends.
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The Truth ^^^^^
 


Chris Monter said:
The funny thing is that I was at an AAU tournament in Hopkins Monday and Brookins was working the door at the event. I asked him about the Badgers having offered him recently and he told me that he was 100% committed to the Gophers.

Chris Monter
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Any idea as to his reason for switching? He made comments saying that he loves MN, and Coaches Kill and Sawvel?
 

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