Katz: U$C and Minnesota both showing strong interest in FGCU's Andy Enfield

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dp can be a "know it all" most of the time but he doesnt troll. he just pisses people off by using a lot of statistical data to make the "common man" look stupid. its his thing and he is made me look dumb a handful of times just like everyone else. its his thing, either embrace it or put him on ignore
 

bga1 said:
When dpdoll says "When have I ever trolled on this site?" he means he will be requesting exact dates and times and a complete definition of trolling.
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I feel bad for the youngins who are sucked in to his web.
 

westcoastgopher11 said:
You aren't even trying anymore dude.
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That's not hyperbole. It's a fact. No one will ever get me to deviate from the opinion that Minnesota firing Tubby Smith in 2013 was a terrible decision. How is it hyperbole if it is 100% sincere and not exaggerated? Do you know what the definition of hyperbole is?
 

MadtownGopher said:
A "rock star" as you put it is never going to come here, much less commit to coming here before we fire the current coach. Does that mean you would have kept Tubby indefinitely? How long could Tubby live off his national title from the last millennium?
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yes, i would have kept him until he passed away. if we werent getting a rockstar type then paying the buyout was stupid pure and simple
 

lakesgopher said:
dp can be a "know it all" most of the time but he doesnt troll. he just pisses people off by using a lot of statistical data to make the "common man" look stupid. its his thing and he is made me look dumb a handful of times just like everyone else. its his thing, either embrace it or put him on ignore
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Hahahah good one.
 


dpodoll68 said:
That's not hyperbole. It's a fact. No one will ever get me to deviate from the opinion that Minnesota firing Tubby Smith in 2013 was a terrible decision. How is it hyperbole if it is 100% sincere and not exaggerated? Do you know what the definition of hyperbole is?
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yes, i would have kept him until he passed away----this was sarcasm madtown, realized you might not pick up on that
 





lakesgopher said:
i understood the firing of tubby but i also wouldnt have fired him unless a rock star was guaranteed to take the job. i think potentially we could drop further back the next 3-5 yrs and it might become a hole we cant dig out of.
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There are no guarantees ever - well except for death and taxes.

I wouldn't have fired Tubby this season myself - next year - but that is just me. Trying to do a high profile coaching search your first year as AD is a risky move - I think NT would now concur with that.

He should have waited a year - built a little more goodwill, surveyed the real possibilities, clarified policy and expectations [with backing from Kaler] then dove into it full bore.

Some of that was done but when in his first year its tough - he's the new kid and people are all gung ho to knock him down a peg. Plus no one knows if he means what he says or is it all posturing. Its a tough gig.

Oh well - that wasn't done so pointless muse about it.
 


dpodoll68 said:
As I've already stated, I'm almost certain I didn't say that. I've already stated that I believe you to be exaggerating or flat-out making it up. It should be easy to find if I said it.
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I am guessing he is referring to this post

dpodoll68 said:
As I have stated previously, I expect them to finish somewhere between 4th and 7th. In the 25 seasons that actually count since our last Big Ten championship, the U's average Big Ten finish is 7.44. Under Tubby Smith, it is 7.4. Given that we are losing no one of consequence from this squad, 7th (and a Tournament berth) is the very bottom of what should be acceptable. Given that MSU and OSU are always right there, and that Indiana is losing no one of consequence (assuming Zeller's likely return), I deem it very unlikely that we finish ahead of any of them, making 4th the probable high-water mark. Bo Ryan has never finished worse than 4th in the conference, so it is likely that they will finish ahead of us as well, but they are also losing the leader of their team whose backup has zero game experience. Michigan's success is very dependent on whether Trey Burke returns. We could very well finish ahead of either of them (or both), but past precedent says no. Either 5th or 6th seems most likely, with 4th (Wisconsin falters, Michigan loses Burke) possible and 7th (Purdue reloads, Illinois plays better under a new coach) also possible. Anything less should result in a Tubby dismissal.
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Nate said:
I am guessing he is referring to this
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Exactly. I stated that a range of 4th-7th was possible, and that anything less than that should result in a dismissal. Where did the Gophers finish this year? "OH NO, KEEPING MY THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS CONSISTENT, NOT THAT, ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!"
 


To quote myself:

"7th (and a Tournament berth) is the very bottom of what should be acceptable."

Thanks, Nate, for posting that. I'll accept any and all apologies whenever certain people are ready to give them.
 

dpodoll68 said:
To quote myself:

"7th (and a Tournament berth) is the very bottom of what should be acceptable."

Thanks, Nate, for posting that. I'll accept any and all apologies whenever certain people are ready to give them.
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lol and this is where i can say dp made you guys look dumb lol
 

We tied for 7th but lost tie breakers to end up a 9 seed in the BTT.
 

lugnard said:
There are no guarantees ever - well except for death and taxes.

I wouldn't have fired Tubby this season myself - next year - but that is just me. Trying to do a high profile coaching search your first year as AD is a risky move - I think NT would now concur with that.

He should have waited a year - built a little more goodwill, surveyed the real possibilities, clarified policy and expectations [with backing from Kaler] then dove into it full bore.

Some of that was done but when in his first year its tough - he's the new kid and people are all gung ho to knock him down a peg. Plus no one knows if he means what he says or is it all posturing. Its a tough gig.

Oh well - that wasn't done so pointless muse about it.
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You never fire someone 'next year'.
 


dpodoll68 said:
To quote myself:

"7th (and a Tournament berth) is the very bottom of what should be acceptable."

Thanks, Nate, for posting that. I'll accept any and all apologies whenever certain people are ready to give them.
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fascinating as your hair splitting is, i'd rather hear some news regarding the search for a basketball coach.
 

lakesgopher said:
so does that mean we tied for 7th and we were the 9th seed in the btt or does that mean we were in 9th place?
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Technically we were 7th, but were ultimately 9th in every aspect that actually mattered (ie BTT seeding).
 

dpodoll68 said:
To quote myself:

"7th (and a Tournament berth) is the very bottom of what should be acceptable."

Thanks, Nate, for posting that. I'll accept any and all apologies whenever certain people are ready to give them.
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You explained 7th as Illinois or Purdue jumping the Gophers. The BTT's 9th seeded Minnesota Gophers fell behind Iowa.

Nonetheless, there is another post I am thinking of. I think it was closer to the October / November time frame.

It can be tough to search for stuff you said, dpo, because you have thousands of posts. For example, if I wanted to track down the times you incorrectly argued facts on Tubby's contract, it might take me a long time to find them all.

Or if I wanted to find the post where you said something like "never ever" and then repeated "ever" or "never" about 40 times in a post when telling someone that the U would never ever sell beer at TCF Bank stadium... I'm not sure how quickly I could do so.

No need to, though. You're an easy read.
 


Gopherphile said:
fascinating as your hair splitting is, i'd rather hear some news regarding the search for a basketball coach.
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Not my fault. Take your concerns up with wannabedp11 and "Gopher"GoldenWarrior. Other posters might allow themselves to be slandered, but I won't. Again, point your ire at them.
 


I would be ok with Enfield for a couple of reasons. He showed to be a very strong recruiter when at FSU, he is regarded as a good fundamentals coach, and he is smart and engaging. Would he be successful here? Not sure.

I think it was time for Tubby to go. Many times the last year or two when I watched him sitting on the deck he seemed like he had given up. No direction, not engaged, just slumped shoulders. The team and program seemed to be regressing. I failed to see improvements with many of players. Granted much of this could be on the players but IMO as a coach you need to find a way to get through to the players.

He is most definitely a great person I just don't he was great for the program anymore.
 

station19 said:
You never fire someone 'next year'.
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Oh yes you can. I have seen it many a time - changes being made were decided and 'prioritized' [who first then when] well in advance - then records kept [to make the case with management, stockholders or in our case boosters/fans]... Then the timing is decided upon - the trigger if you will. If a crisis - you do it now. If not later - you decide when it is most appropriate. Both for you as manager and the least disruptive for the organization.

I worked with cut throat PE firms who did this all the time. Big time college athletics is just about as cut throat.

My guess is NT had Tubby in his sights from the day the ink dried on NT's own contract. he didn't 'fit'. Just waiting for the time when it either is advantageous or absolutely necessary. My guess is he decided the timing now was advantageous since there didn't look to be a huge coaching exodus this year compared to most years. I think he miscalculated but could prove me wrong with a super hire.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
For example, if I wanted to track down the times you incorrectly argued facts on Tubby's contract, it might take me a long time to find them all.
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You're framing the reality to suit your own argument. I presented the facts as they had been reported, and asked you to counter them with something more substantive than you saying so. When you finally did (for some reason, bizarrely, after being asked to do so for months and months), I backed down and admitted that I was wrong. I even started a thread inviting anyone and everyone to make fun of me and throw stones.

Gopher Warrior said:
Or if I wanted to find the post where you said something like "never ever" and then repeated "ever" or "never" about 40 times in a post when telling someone that the U would never ever sell beer at TCF Bank stadium.
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I thought the U would never sell out its principles. I was wrong, and admitted as such. All you're proving with this post is that I'm a stand-up individual who will readily and easily admit when I'm wrong. That's more than I can say for most posters on this board, present company certainly included.
 

Very impressed with the resume info posted by Gopher07 and others. I have no more concerns with his recruiting. Let's get him in here. I take full responsibility if it doesn't work out.
 

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