Jerry Kill Legacy Thread

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To me, this would be progress and would have us underway to "A":
  • Equal or better the number of wins from last year
  • Beat either IA, WI or MI, preferably more than 1
  • Win a bowl game
  • Competitive in all games (i.e. no "Michigan" games like last year)
 

BarnBoy said:
To me, this would be progress and would have us underway to "A":
  • Equal or better the number of wins from last year
  • Beat either IA, WI or MI, preferably more than 1
  • Win a bowl game
  • Competitive in all games (i.e. no "Michigan" games like last year)
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Reasonable standards except almost all teams have a letdown in which they lose a game by a large margin. Only 3 of the 14 Big Ten teams last year managed to avoid a defeat of > 19 points- MSU, OSU and Wisky. Only two other teams had one loss of 20 points or more- the Gophs and Michigan.
 

Oregon Gopher said:
Reasonable standards except almost all teams have a letdown in which they lose a game by a large margin. Only 3 of the 14 Big Ten teams last year managed to avoid a defeat of > 19 points- MSU, OSU and Wisky. Only two other teams had one loss of 20 points or more- the Gophs and Michigan.
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Very interesting to know that. I will take it off my list because I am a logical person who has been presented with data. We are not a "top 3" team yet.
 


Spoofin said:
Yes - just a joke. I enjoy the Kill/Mason discussions about as much as the Nelson/Leidner discussions.
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Now I get it! You like to read wren's never ending babblings about Glen. That's no joke! Be careful what you wish for.
 


Halsey Hall said:
To me, the major difference between the two is Mason coached NOT to lose, Kill coaches TO win.
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I'm not sure what we've seen to prove that. Remind me again how we lost our first bowl game. Michigan game. Indiana game (that we ended up winning thankfully).
 

BarnBoy said:
To me, this would be progress and would have us underway to "A":
  • Equal or better the number of wins from last year
  • Beat either IA, WI or MI, preferably more than 1
  • Win a bowl game
  • Competitive in all games (i.e. no "Michigan" games like last year)
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The top two are definitely big for me. Going 0-3 against Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa was miserable last year. I hate losing to rivals. The Wisconsin losing streak has almost become unbearable, it is time for Kill to end it.
 

afurry91 said:
I'm not sure what we've seen to prove that. Remind me again how we lost our first bowl game. Michigan game. Indiana game (that we ended up winning thankfully).
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You could throw the second bowl game in there too. Don't overkick your damn coverage.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
You could throw the second bowl game in there too. Don't overkick your damn coverage.
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Lets be honest. When you've lost 21 games in 3 years, you're not playing to win anything. It's just a very premature statement to make. Kill said himself it's a 6 year process. Lets evaluate his mentality to win then. In years 1-3, I've seen plenty of "playing not to lose." I would classify running out the clock on every two minute drill opportunity as such.

Mason's first three years were 3-9, 5-6, and 8-4. Kill's first three were 3-9, 6-7, 8-5. Both took over pretty awful programs, and they are about neck and neck through 3 years. Mason went to 6 bowl games in the next 7 years. Lets see what Kill has in store. I hope for our sanity that he can surpass Mason's 3-4 bowl record.
 



afurry91 said:
Remind me again how we lost our first bowl game.
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Sure, it was a tie game and we had the ball deep in our territory with not much time left and we had a true freshman qb in the game throwing passes to try to win the game, the ball was intercepted and TT kicked a field goal. We could have run the ball and played for overtime, that would be playing not to lose.

I'm not sure you're understanding the phrases. It doesn't mean you win every game.
 


Section2 said:
Sure, it was a tie game and we had the ball deep in our territory with not much time left and we had a true freshman qb in the game throwing passes to try to win the game, the ball was intercepted and TT kicked a field goal. We could have run the ball and played for overtime, that would be playing not to lose.

I'm not sure you're understanding the phrases. It doesn't mean you win every game.
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I remember us blowing our 1 touchdown lead and losing in regulation all within about 2 minutes by letting them waltz down the field in a prevent defense.

I'm not sure you remember the immense choke job that happened that night. Seth Doege was 7 for 8 for 91yds and a TD on the final two drives. He had a 67.8 QB rating for the whole game. His previous two possessions ended in interceptions. We didn't rattle him for 57 minutes and force 2 interceptions by sitting back in the prevent defense, but that is what we did for the final 3. We folded.
 

Section2 said:
Sure, it was a tie game and we had the ball deep in our territory with not much time left and we had a true freshman qb in the game throwing passes to try to win the game, the ball was intercepted and TT kicked a field goal. We could have run the ball and played for overtime, that would be playing not to lose.

I'm not sure you're understanding the phrases. It doesn't mean you win every game.
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You'd be right if the game started on our last possession. They had two scores right at the end. The first one was the product of us dropping back into prevent defense and relaxing the pressure we had been giving them most of the game.
 



afurry91 said:
I remember us blowing our 1 touchdown lead and losing in regulation all within about 2 minutes by letting them waltz down the field in a prevent defense.

I'm not sure you remember the immense choke job that happened that night. Seth Doege was 7 for 8 for 91yds and a TD on the final two drives. He had a 67.8 QB rating for the whole game. His previous two possessions ended in interceptions. We didn't rattle him for 57 minutes and force 2 interceptions by sitting back in the prevent defense, but that is what we did for the final 3. We folded.
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Was it a prevent defense? I would have to review the tape to see what coverage we were in. I seem to remember man coverage on the tying touchdown with shabazz. That doesn't sound like a prevent. Just because you lost doesn't mean you played not to lose. Are you so sure we changed our defensive philosophy at the end of the game?
 

Section2 said:
Was it a prevent defense? I would have to review the tape to see what coverage we were in. I seem to remember man coverage on the tying touchdown with shabazz. That doesn't sound like a prevent. Just because you lost doesn't mean you played not to lose. Are you so sure we changed our defensive philosophy at the end of the game?
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Well at least you remember the drive, and weren't just conveniently forgetting like your last post. That's a step in the right direction.

Yes, we brought no pressure on the first 6 plays. Sat back in a zone and let them march their way down the field immediately after he had just thrown two interceptions. Then we threw in a desperation blitz with zero safeties back and a even our coma inducing QB would have scored.

Our last offensive series before that was run, run, run, punt.... And we were in Texas tech's territory to begin the drive.
 

afurry91 said:
Well at least you remember the drive, and weren't just conveniently forgetting like your last post. That's a step in the right direction.

Yes, we brought no pressure on the first 6 plays. Sat back in a zone and let them march their way down the field immediately after he had just thrown two interceptions. Then we threw in a desperation blitz with zero safeties back and a even our coma inducing QB would have scored.

Our last offensive series before that was run, run, run, punt.... And we were in Texas tech's territory to begin the drive.
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Zero safeties and an all out blitz doesn't sound like a prevent defense. Disagree with the strategy, point out that we didn't win, but I don't think the above is playing not to lose or fearful.
 

Section2 said:
Zero safeties and an all out blitz doesn't sound like a prevent defense. Disagree with the strategy, point out that we didn't win, but I don't think the above is playing not to lose or fearful.
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My memory is not as strong as Furry's, but if he is right and we went with no pressure for 6 plays in a row, that is absolutely playing fearful.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
My memory is not as strong as Furry's, but if he is right and we went with no pressure for 6 plays in a row, that is absolutely playing fearful.
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Depends. We had two interceptions prior, were they the result of playing zone or bringing pressure? If we had success bringing pressure, and then to try to hang on changed strategy and went zone, maybe you'd have a case. Generally I think it's pretty clear that kills strategy is aggressive. A lot of those have backfired so far, and maybe a more conservative strategy would have worked. I'm thinking fake field goal against Michigan, having Nelson throw against TT. I see a coach trying to win and not being afraid to lose.
 



Glad the trolls have a thread to enjoy themselves...
 


mcal24 said:
0-2 for a team that's lost its last 7. Oh no! Terrible coach!
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Jerry Kill is often praised for his resume, which includes zero FBS bowl wins.

I don't think Minnesota's bowl history years before he got here has much if anything to do with the conversation.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Jerry Kill is often praised for his resume, which includes zero FBS bowl wins.

I don't think Minnesota's bowl history years before he got here has much if anything to do with the conversation.
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Besides the fact that it's the Minnesota football team, but sure
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Jerry Kill is often praised for his resume, which includes zero FBS bowl wins.

I don't think Minnesota's bowl history years before he got here has much if anything to do with the conversation.
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The national perception of the program, the facilities as they compare to others in the B1G (let alone top programs nationally), and the climate (and it's impact on warm-weather recruits) probably have no bearing on anything...except in a discussion with a rational person who is reasonably intelligent. Then there are the insights of GW. Perhaps you can enlighten us with your plan on how the Gophers can realistically be significantly better than they are.
 

We're hung up on bowl game victories? Unless you're in the playoff it's an exhibition game.


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mcgi0024 said:
We're hung up on bowl game victories? Unless you're in the playoff it's an exhibition game.


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Incorrect. Exhibition games don't count against official win-loss records.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Incorrect. Exhibition games don't count against official win-loss records.
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Agree. Sounds like the reasoning of somebody whose team hasn't won a bowl game in a decade.
 

Fair enough, that said I still think wins against Iowa, Michigan, and Wisconsin are more important. If you think a win against Missouri or Syracuse is a bigger deal because it's a tourism game then we just disagree. That said We have work to do against Wisconsin. That's a bigger deal than losing bowls.


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