Jerry Kill Legacy Thread

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B/B+ - He takes us to a point where we can be disappointed if our bowl game isn't Jan 1.
 

B, although i expect him to be here for 10 years or so.

His legacy will be rescuing the program from dark days and elevating it to respectability. 6-8 win seasons are the norm, less than that once or twice after year 3, more than that maybe once or twice, by 2021 he'll be coming off of a decade of 5-7 bowl games.
I do believe if Kill can score a handful of game changing type talents he could elevate the program to point A, but that will take a bit of luck(a local top talent staying home, a late bloomer, a high risk/reward prospect)
Micheal Floyd would have elevated this program because he would have overlapped with Decker for 2 years, Larry Fitzgerald would have elevated this program because he would have played with Barber/Maroney.
Who knows when the next top talent like that will come along.

I'm 28, I'm ok with being patient, I'm ok with Kill pulling up on the wheel and getting the program out of a tailspin and letting the next coach get us flying higher. It could even be a member of the current staff with Kill as AD.
I don't expect failure, but right now the program needs a settling force and a calm, moderately successful run of seasons to bring us back from where we are now.
 

imthewalrus said:
Today we are in sole possession of 6th place in our division. ; 0 )
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I agree, but have to pull a dp here and correct you. We are in 5th place ahead of Northwestern right now.
 

I'm going to go with B, but I feel he will groom a successor that will bring us to a BCS bowl
 

I say A-B+. I believe the combination of administration, AD, new stadium and well respected coaching staff combined will move this thing forward.
 


I don't believe we'll win the Big Ten in the next, say, 20 years.

I hope we do--I desperately hope we do. But I do not believe. Because now we have to win twice: winning the division, then winning the championship game. We can't win once...and now we have to win twice? Not possible...or at least implausible.
 

Another thing you've got to enter into this equation is what the other programs do.
I simply don't believe Iowa and Wisconsin will continue upward, Ferentz keeps iowa afloat right now, and Alvarez and Chryst's roles with wisky are huge. NW seems to be back to a down swing, they will be up and down through the coming years, MSU looks fabulous now, but history shows them to be a volatile program also. Nebraska made a bad hire awhile back that saw them slip, Michigan too, even OSU is hurting right now. It wasn't that long ago we were up big at the half in Madison, beat MSU in a shootout, beat iowa, outcoached NW(yes crazy, but brew's best gameplan IMO was NW 09'). College football is a cyclical beast, right now we're smashed on the bottom being ground into the floor, but soon enough we'll get lifted and thrown into the mix and someone else will be down.
 

I think if Kaler is committed to this, and we get an AD who will follow in with that, along with Kill being fully in this for the long haul, then I have to say it will work out, and we will win a conference title, or get to a very high level bowl game at least, sometime before Kill is gone from here.

Full commitment from all levels of administration, combined with the intense desire of alumni for this thing to turn around, plus resources being in place to recruit talent (stadium, upgraded facilities, conference affiliation), I think we have a chance.

For now though, I'll say B+, there's a gap between mediocre Glen Mason years, and BCS games. We haven't even see a NYD bowl, let's hit that first at least. It's hard to see it right now, winning the conference. It's all faith-based to think this team could turn around an win a conference title in the future. But that's the same stuff people said about Northwestern, or Wisconsin before. It's a different era now, but the same possibilities hold true.
 

Studwell55 said:
I don't believe we'll win the Big Ten in the next, say, 20 years.

I hope we do--I desperately hope we do. But I do not believe. Because now we have to win twice: winning the division, then winning the championship game. We can't win once...and now we have to win twice? Not possible...or at least implausible.
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There are two schools of thought on this. Yes, you have to beat somebody in the other division to win the Big Ten championship, but you only (I use that term very loosely) have to beat five schools on your side for that opportunity. Either way it's a long climb uphill.
 



Rule 1 of this thread - It's not here for long comments/discussions, just your grade
Rule 2 of this thread - It's not here for long comments/discussions, just your grade

If you're like wren and don't have the balls to make a call today and would prefer to use hindsight about every aspect of the program, do not post in this thread.

Thank you.
 

Studwell55 said:
I don't believe we'll win the Big Ten in the next, say, 20 years.

I hope we do--I desperately hope we do. But I do not believe. Because now we have to win twice: winning the division, then winning the championship game. We can't win once...and now we have to win twice? Not possible...or at least implausible.
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On the contrary, one bad year in the division and a 5-3 record can get you into the title game. Then you just have to play 60 good minutes. Iowa State almost pulled it off in the Big XII after being horrendous in the Big 8.
 


A-. No Rose Bowls or National Titles, but Kill gets us into the Big Ten Championship game at least once, maybe twice.
 



I believe that Kill is the right guy, if there is a right guy. If he fails, I will be convinced that this program is just doomed forever.

That said, I will go with option A.

Btw, I believe Mason was a little above B. He almost got Minnesota to a Rose Bowl.
 


Unregistered User said:
Mediocre. Almost, almost, almost. Almost got us to premier bowl games, but always fell short.
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Now unregistered wild animal with a keyboard (where do you keep that keyboard anyway, unregistered?????)

How the heck is Kill ever going to get us back to that 10 win mark that Mason got? I like Coach Kill. We haven't seen much yet, but, I believe that sometime in the next seven years he will pull us higher than that brewster clown left us. Will he manage to reach the level Mason achieved? It's going to be a mighty tall order. I certainly do hope he gets us to the level of competetivness that Mason elevated our program to.

It does beg the question: "how many years will we continue to be at less than Mason levels of competetivness? The four years of failed brewball were a real waste. NO fun at all. Now, how many years will it take Coach Kill to climb out from under this mess? It looks like it could reach the "bad decade" level. This 2011 season is the fifth less than fun season. Coach Kill says it will take at least four recruiting classes starting with this next recruiting class. That would fill out the decade.

Time will tell.

And, come up with something more original than your "wild animal with a keyboard stuck some where ...MUST be uncomfortable for you. No wonder you always are muttering "...blah, blah, blah..." under your breath. This is SERIOUS stuff we are contemplating here. You can do better...

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I'm hopeful, but I just don't see too many winning BIG records while he is here. (B) at best. (B) would almost be a miracle imo. I don't see how he possibly recruits well enough to rise above Mason records of the past! I really, really hope I'm way off.
 

imthewalrus said:
Now unregistered wild animal with a keyboard (where do you keep that keyboard anyway, unregistered?????)

How the heck is Kill ever going to get us back to that 10 win mark that Mason got? I like Coach Kill. We haven't seen much yet, but, I believe that sometime in the next seven years he will pull us higher than that brewster clown left us. Will he manage to reach the level Mason achieved? It's going to be a mighty tall order. I certainly do hope he gets us to the level of competetivness that Mason elevated our program to.

It does beg the question: "how many years will we continue to be at less than Mason levels of competetivness? The four years of failed brewball were a real waste. NO fun at all. Now, how many years will it take Coach Kill to climb out from under this mess? It looks like it could reach the "bad decade" level. This 2011 season is the fifth less than fun season. Coach Kill says it will take at least four recruiting classes starting with this next recruiting class. That would fill out the decade.

Time will tell.

And, come up with something more original than your "wild animal with a keyboard stuck some where ...MUST be uncomfortable for you. No wonder you always are muttering "...blah, blah, blah..." under your breath. This is SERIOUS stuff we are contemplating here. You can do better...

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Jeez. Not saying Brewster was the best there was (glad he's gone) but we had 2 years of horrendous football and 2 years of Mason-level success. Both years went 3-5 in the B1G. You preach B1G wins, so what exactly was Mason's best season in conference? What was his MEDIAN season in the conference? Why are we still caring about the past 4 years when this thread is about the next 10? Please, please, stop posting 10 paragraph-long posts with the same information each time.

My prediction is B+ to A-. I think he will bring us above Mason level, meaning an average/typical year for the Gophers is 4-4 instead of 3-5. He may get us to a title game or 2 based on the right combo of the conference up/down and our personnel/schedule, but we won't win the game(s).

I think that this is one notch below what we should expect. We should expect to win the conference title once every 10 years (go to a Rose Bowl) and at least compete for it another 1-2 times. This means a slightly better conference record than 4-4 each year (again, taking an average), and the breakout year every now and again of 6-2 or 7-1 (7-2, 8-1 when we move to a 9 game schedule). For every one of those years we go 2-6, 3-5 in the B1G so it evens out. We are not Mich or OSU and cannot expect the talent level year in and out to be 6-2 on average but competing for and winning once in a while the B1G should be our goal. Kill will get us close.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I agree, but have to pull a dp here and correct you. We are in 5th place ahead of Northwestern right now.
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You seriously think we will beat NU when we play them at their place? They can put some points on the board. I certainly WISH I could say that I think we will compete well with NU when the time comes, but, this year, I just don't see it happening. IF we had a better offensive line, I would say, maybe...but, I am afraid that is one that will get away from us this year. I SO DO hope I am wrong. I would LOVE for the Gophers to win ONE Big Ten game this season. I think we may have a better chance against iowa at home than against NU on the road during this 2011 season. And the odds of a win this Saturday are not very good.

Right now, I believe that you have to rank us in 6th place in our 6 program division IF you want to be realistic and in touch with the sad reality of the situation. It is with NO pleasure...and ONLY with great sadness that I make this 6th place out of 6 teams statement. Quite frankly, I am relieved hat we don't have to play Indiana this season.

But, things HAVE to be looking up eventually. I just don't know exactly when...

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Not to add too much discussion, since Unregistered requested not to have it, but I just want to make this one point: Doesn't it matter how you got to those 10 wins (5 conference)? Here are Mason's wins that "magical" 2003 season:

4-0 non conference, including an 8-5 Tulsa, 6-6 Troy St., 2-10 Ohio, and 4-8 LA-Lafayettte.

His five conference wins were: 3-9 PSU, 6-7 Northwestern, 1-11 Illinois, 2-10 Indiana, and 7-6 Wisconsin. Topped it off with a good win over 8-5 Oregon in the bowl game.

Do I think Kill would be capable of netting that kind of season? There's no doubt in my mind that, yes, he could do that. That is why I put his legacy at NYD bowl games. I can't proclaim he'll go to a BCS game or win a B1G title though. B+ is my grade.
 

And still my little pet wren doesn't have the guts to make a call today. No need to put anything concrete in writing, right? You always feel the need to be able to play the "I told you so" card.

Pathetic.
 

RailBaronYarr said:
Jeez. Not saying Brewster was the best there was (glad he's gone) but we had 2 years of horrendous football and 2 years of Mason-level success. Both years went 3-5 in the B1G. You preach B1G wins, so what exactly was Mason's best season in conference? What was his MEDIAN season in the conference? Why are we still caring about the past 4 years when this thread is about the next 10? Please, please, stop posting 10 paragraph-long posts with the same information each time.

My prediction is B+ to A-. I think he will bring us above Mason level, meaning an average/typical year for the Gophers is 4-4 instead of 3-5. He may get us to a title game or 2 based on the right combo of the conference up/down and our personnel/schedule, but we won't win the game(s).

I think that this is one notch below what we should expect. We should expect to win the conference title once every 10 years (go to a Rose Bowl) and at least compete for it another 1-2 times. This means a slightly better conference record than 4-4 each year (again, taking an average), and the breakout year every now and again of 6-2 or 7-1 (7-2, 8-1 when we move to a 9 game schedule). For every one of those years we go 2-6, 3-5 in the B1G so it evens out. We are not Mich or OSU and cannot expect the talent level year in and out to be 6-2 on average but competing for and winning once in a while the B1G should be our goal. Kill will get us close.
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Sorry, Mason averaged 3.2 Big Ten wins a year for 10 seasons. In his 3.375 Big Ten seasons, that brewster clown averaged 1.77 Big Ten wins a year. Don't EVEN try to sugar coat ANYTHING about brewball. I DO take Big Ten wins VERY seriously. And some of you should pay a LOT more attention to Big Ten wins. They are a very valuable commodity. They are very hard to obtain. Unfortunately, it would appear that they will continue to be scarce into the future. We always hope. We always try. But, we also have to always be realistic and curb these "expectations" that so many around here go so overboard with.

With Michigan, Nebraska, MSU, iowa and NU in our division and a protected game vs. wisky every year plus 2 rotating games against members of the other division, copious amounts of Big Ten wins in a single season will probably not be a common thing for Golden Gopher Football in the near-term future. We can keep trying though! Effort is always a GOOD thing.
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Unregistered User said:
And still my little pet wren doesn't have the guts to make a call today. No need to put anything concrete in writing, right? You always feel the need to be able to play the "I told you so" card.

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But, you sad, unregistered, wild animal with the keyboard attached so painfully: I DID make my prediction. I stated that you did NOT have choices that were adequately worded. However, I once again will state that I believe we will be VERY fortunate if Coach Kill can return Gopher Football to the level of competetivness that Coach Mason achieved. I stated that since Nebraska has been added to the conference THIS level of achievement would be a GREAT accomplishment, and predict that should he achieve a 10 win season, Coach Kill would most likely be in the running for Big Ten Coach of the year, and possibly the National Coach of the Year. The odds are not great...but I am cheering VERY LOUDLY for Coach Kill and his staff to succeed.

Coach Kill, with this 7 year contract is my LAST hope for seeing Gopher Football return to being competetive in Big Ten Play. IF the Gophers can be competetive, ANYTHING is possible in a given year. I believe that is as good as it can possibly get for Golden Gopher Football. In over half a century, I saw the Gophers win ONE National Championship. The conditions and the circumstances that produced that event will NEVER happen again.

However, I wouldn't trade being a U of M Gopher Football Fan for anything. The Gophers are MY team. I will realistically continue to root for them come hell or high water. I've walked through the wilderness with them.

Now, administrators are a different thing. I will give the administrators hell.

So unregistered wild animal with that painful keyboard attachment: I think Coach Kill will have to work very hard to make the Gophers competetive in Big Ten play and he may...or...may not bring the Gophers back to the level of Big Ten competetivness that Mason achieved over a ten year tenure.

Coach Kill is my LAST hope!

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imthewalrus said:
I DO take Big Ten wins VERY seriously. And some of you should pay a LOT more attention to Big Ten wins. They are a very valuable commodity.
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Whatever happened to "A win over La-Lafayette is as important as a win over Ohio State because it's 8.33333333% of the season...blah blah blah" ? :)

To the OP...I say between B- and C+. I just don't see Kill getting us to a level beyond Mason. I hope I am wrong.
 

Unregistered User said:
Rule 1 of this thread - It's not here for long comments/discussions, just your grade
Rule 2 of this thread - It's not here for long comments/discussions, just your grade

If you're like wren and don't have the balls to make a call today and would prefer to use hindsight about every aspect of the program, do not post in this thread.

Thank you.
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You are full of yourself. But, you really have NOTHING to be full of and you really shouldn't try to be talking balls with anyone. I told you Kill will have a very difficult time in achieveng a Momma loving B. Here is EXACTLY where I laid that out for you wild animal with the keyboard attached in a very painful way:

"...Your wording for B is very bad. Because B is actually pretty much what we can hope to achieve at the University of Minnesota..."

What's your problem??????????????????

PLENTY of posters are making LOTS of comments. This is a message board. The posts that have further comments are MUCH more interesting and insightful.

Coach Kill will be fortunate to achieve your stinking B...got that??????????????

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imthewalrus said:
Coach Kill will be fortunate to achieve your stinking B...got that??????????????
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He would be even more fortunate to achieve an "A" grade. This thread is not about how difficult it is to achieve any of the grades as they are described here. This thread is about, when it is all said and done, and Jerry Kill is no longer our coach, whether that is 3 years or 20 years, how will he be ultimately remembered? As a coach that got us over the hump to greater heights, a coach that wallowed in mediocrity, or a coach that failed.

You have told us how difficult it may be (in your tiny little mind) to achieve the great heights attained by Mase, and how we could only hope to reach those dizzying heights again, but you still have failed to tell me which choice you believe will be the most accurate description at the end of Coach Kill's run at the University of Minnesota.

got that?????????????????????????????
 

I'm going to say B+/A-. Consistent mid-tier bowls with a year or two of Conference Title/Rose Bowl shots.

It takes a pretty special program to stay on top of the Big Ten for an extended period of time, so I say we'll be out of the cellar and in the mix with most of the other teams.
 

DarrenTheGreek said:
Whatever happened to "A win over La-Lafayette is as important as a win over Ohio State because it's 8.33333333% of the season...blah blah blah" ? :)

Here's the deal darinthegreek: I decided to go to the "gold standard" when contrasting the mobbers and bashers and decided to look ONLY at the Big Ten wins vs. Big Ten losses. It was a move for the better, and I will NEVER go back to even looking at non-Big Ten wins. However, in the scheme of things, it is better to make a bowl game than not make a bowl game. It gives a coach a chance to take on a quality non-conference team from a major conference no matterwhat the bowl game (with the exception of the detroit game, what ever that one is called now.)

So, yes, I did change my methodology. I believe that the soundest of all comparisons can ONLY be made by comparing Big Ten wins vs. Big Ten losses. All men dedicated to finding the TRUTH are open to making changes and when they find a better way, they freely admit that the new and improved way is FAR superior. Yes, I have changed my mind about the comparisons of merely "games" vs. the concept of "BIG TEN GAMES..." The Big Ten comparison is the much purer comparison.

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I told you: "your stinking B..." You see, I do NOT accept your definition of B. I do NOT see it the same way. So, since YOU are trying to fit everything into your own definition of things, I can ONLY tell you that when it is all said and done that I beleive Caoch Kill will come the closest to "...your stinking B..."

You can stick that next to your painfully placed keyboard attachment wild animal called unregistered. I answered your stinking question and my answer was: "...your stinking B..."

Have you got balls enough to deal with that? (I say that because YOU said that.)

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