Jerry Kill Legacy Thread

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imthewalrus said:
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And still my little pet wren doesn't have the guts to make a call today. No need to put anything concrete in writing, right? You always feel the need to be able to play the "I told you so" card.

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But, you sad, unregistered, wild animal with the keyboard attached so painfully: I DID make my prediction. I stated that you did NOT have choices that were adequately worded. However, I once again will state that I believe we will be VERY fortunate if Coach Kill can return Gopher Football to the level of competetivness that Coach Mason achieved. I stated that since Nebraska has been added to the conference THIS level of achievement would be a GREAT accomplishment, and predict that should he achieve a 10 win season, Coach Kill would most likely be in the running for Big Ten Coach of the year, and possibly the National Coach of the Year. The odds are not great...but I am cheering VERY LOUDLY for Coach Kill and his staff to succeed.

Coach Kill, with this 7 year contract is my LAST hope for seeing Gopher Football return to being competetive in Big Ten Play. IF the Gophers can be competetive, ANYTHING is possible in a given year. I believe that is as good as it can possibly get for Golden Gopher Football. In over half a century, I saw the Gophers win ONE National Championship. The conditions and the circumstances that produced that event will NEVER happen again.

However, I wouldn't trade being a U of M Gopher Football Fan for anything. The Gophers are MY team. I will realistically continue to root for them come hell or high water. I've walked through the wilderness with them.

Now, administrators are a different thing. I will give the administrators hell.

So unregistered wild animal with that painful keyboard attachment: I think Coach Kill will have to work very hard to make the Gophers competetive in Big Ten play and he may...or...may not bring the Gophers back to the level of Big Ten competetivness that Mason achieved over a ten year tenure.

Coach Kill is my LAST hope!

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trying to tell us something...?
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I honestly don't know. If I had a gun to my face to vote, I'd say anywhere from a major BCS bowl team to Mase's level (with the occasional 10+ win season/run).
 

B+ / A -

Kill will get us to a Capital One / Outback Bowl down the road. He will get us to a January bowl game.
 

B+ I don't think he can get us to be a consistent competitor at the top of the B1G. But I think he can be consistently post better results than Mason did.
 

I'd rather be inconsistently good than be consistently mediocre. An occasional very good year would make up for an occasional very bad year.
 


B. I see a Capital One Bowl as the ceiling, as it was for Mase, unless we get a 'every ball bounces right' kind of season.
 

B+, although none of us can really be objective on this one.

It would be interesting to compare our answers to those of other fans...
 

imthewalrus said:
Sorry, Mason averaged 3.2 Big Ten wins a year for 10 seasons. In his 3.375 Big Ten seasons, that brewster clown averaged 1.77 Big Ten wins a year. Don't EVEN try to sugar coat ANYTHING about brewball. I DO take Big Ten wins VERY seriously. And some of you should pay a LOT more attention to Big Ten wins. They are a very valuable commodity. They are very hard to obtain. Unfortunately, it would appear that they will continue to be scarce into the future. We always hope. We always try. But, we also have to always be realistic and curb these "expectations" that so many around here go so overboard with.

With Michigan, Nebraska, MSU, iowa and NU in our division and a protected game vs. wisky every year plus 2 rotating games against members of the other division, copious amounts of Big Ten wins in a single season will probably not be a common thing for Golden Gopher Football in the near-term future. We can keep trying though! Effort is always a GOOD thing.
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I like how you act like Northwestern, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State, and even Nebraska don't have down years. Tell me what each of these team's average conference records have been over the past 10 years? I'll do it for you:

Wisconsin: 4.7 - 3.3
Michigan State: 3.7 - 4.3
Northwestern: 3.5 - 4.5
Iowa: 5 - 3
Nebraska (Big 12): 4.7 - 3.3

That's a total of 18.4 conference wins that are up for the taking. No team is perfect every year (even OSU has had 2 years now in the past 10 of faltering), and those "powerhouses" of Wisconsin Iowa MSU and Northwestern you're so afraid of playing every year offer up as many bad seasons as good. If it can't be done, how has Dantonio taken an MSU team from what was very Gopher-esque (max 5 B10 wins, many 2-6, 3-5, etc seasons) to a team that 2 years in a row now is competing for a conference title?

You're right, we also pay Michigan each year, throw in PSU and OSU every now and again, but also get very winnable games like Purdue, Illinois, and Indiana for every time we play PSU/OSU. It can absolutely be done here to win nearly 5 games on average each season and get close to a conference championship game every now and again (6-2, 7-1 in conference).

Also, once again, I did not sugarcoat Brewster. He had 2 seasons that were VERY similar to Mason's average year (what I call Mason-ball). 6-7 wins overall (would probably have had a 7th in 2009 if not for playing a real non-conf schedule unlike Mason ever did), 3-5 in the Big Ten. He clearly maxed out there but that does not mean all 4 years were pathetic. Just barely below average.
 

I would say B/B+ by year 5 and A somewhere from year 7 to 10. I'm basing this on what it took for Kansas State to become a consistant winner.
 



imthewalrus said:
DarrenTheGreek said:
Whatever happened to "A win over La-Lafayette is as important as a win over Ohio State because it's 8.33333333% of the season...blah blah blah" ? :)

Here's the deal darinthegreek: I decided to go to the "gold standard" when contrasting the mobbers and bashers and decided to look ONLY at the Big Ten wins vs. Big Ten losses. It was a move for the better, and I will NEVER go back to even looking at non-Big Ten wins. However, in the scheme of things, it is better to make a bowl game than not make a bowl game. It gives a coach a chance to take on a quality non-conference team from a major conference no matterwhat the bowl game (with the exception of the detroit game, what ever that one is called now.)

So, yes, I did change my methodology. I believe that the soundest of all comparisons can ONLY be made by comparing Big Ten wins vs. Big Ten losses. All men dedicated to finding the TRUTH are open to making changes and when they find a better way, they freely admit that the new and improved way is FAR superior. Yes, I have changed my mind about the comparisons of merely "games" vs. the concept of "BIG TEN GAMES..." The Big Ten comparison is the much purer comparison.

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Fair enough.
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gopherbadgerman said:
I'll be shocked if MN wins more than 5 regular season B10 games in the next 10 years.

So my answer would be between B and C, but leaning towards B

Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, OSU, PSU, Nebraska, and MSU are all better programs and probably will mostly be so over the next decade. Maybe MN can compete with Indiana, Illinois (probably not), Purdue for the bottom middle, but who do you really see the Gophers jumping over in the next 5 years or so to get up to the A answer? I am not ripping Kill in any way, just saying that there is a very steep hill to climb there...
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I don't buy it. Once upon a time, almost every Big Ten program was better than your Badgers. But they found a way to go from 1-10 to a Rose Bowl in five years. More recently than that, Northwestern made the same jump. More recently than that, Purdue did it. Illinois went to a Rose Bowl. Michigan State was pretty even with Minnesota just a few years ago and now they're in a pretty good run.

Minnesota can do it, too; it's a matter of finding the right guy. Is it Jerry Kill? I hope so. But I'll say B+. I think he'll get us to Capital One Bowl levels, but I'm not convinced a Big Ten championship is in the offing.
 

The "West" is too brutal. Kill will not get to the Big Ten championship game. At best, B-/C+ (hope I'm wrong). Mason's level - not the worst Mason, but not '03 on a regular basis, either.
 

B+

I think we'll become a team that goes to bowl games every year, but I'm not going to say that we're going to go to a BCS game under him just quite yet. You really have to be an optimist to say we're going to go to a BCS game with him just on what we've seen so far.
 



Ole said:
Another thing you've got to enter into this equation is what the other programs do.
I simply don't believe Iowa and Wisconsin will continue upward, Ferentz keeps iowa afloat right now, and Alvarez and Chryst's roles with wisky are huge. .
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I go with A-/B+, for the reasons mentioned above.

Only OSU, Michigan, and PSU have "historically" been better than the program at Minnesota. It wasn't that long ago Minny was at least as good, if not above, Wisky, MSU, Iowa, Purdue, et al. Chryst not getting a head gig last winter and Wilson showing up on the BB's doorstep saved Wisky from a 7-win season this year.

It won't take divine intervention to move the Gophers to at least fighting for a BT title game berth by Year Five. Time will tell....
 

A. No national titles but some NYD bowl games. If Jerry can get this ball rolling downhill things can change in a hurry. It also helps that for the first time in my life we will have a Pres and AD that are totally committed to helping out the coach.
 

I'm going with A-/B+. Things feel different this time around. A supportive adminstration, an experienced coach whose turned other programs around, an understanding of the need for stability, a new stadium, etc. Truthfully, I'd be disappointed if Kill doesn't end up with a better B1G winning percentage than Mason.
 


imthewalrus said:
prexy's at the U of M need to be judged by actions...not mere words. Based upon my first experiences of reading interviews with prexy k, he sounds to me as though he gets caught up in talking the talk. In fact, I almost get the impression that he thinks he is pretty "slick..." As a result, he sometimes sounds a bit like a politician just spinning things. For instance, in his interview with Sid, at one point he states that the best way to predict how a coach will do is to study his past record.

Then, a few questions later, he indicates that he is not interested in looking at the past but rather wants to focus on the future.

I hope that prexy k proves to be an administrator who "walks the talk..." Time will tell. I won't automatically give him the benefit of the doubt. I will need to see what he does...rather than to pay much attention to what he says he will do.

I guess I have just lived through too many administrators of the University of Minnesota. I have not found them to be too an impressive lot, generally speaking...

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I think you posted this in the wrong thread.
 

I'm saying A-, Rose Bowl but no NC.

FYI - It took Warmath 7 years to reach the top.
 


If Nelson redshirts, his senior year will be Kill's 6th season. I could see that being a special season so I'm saying A-
 


B+ if we can have a 7-8 win season once in awhile and snag a better than average bowl game then I'm good!
 

B+ / A- I'm surprised that none of you has noted Barry Alvarez was 1-10 his first season at Wisconsin in the early '90's. The Kill / Kahler combo is a powerful one, especially with Maturi's contract expiring. Kill is here for the long run and will produce excellent results.
 

In the next 7 years I say Kill takes us to a J1 Bowl game.... It's your post but A- or B+ on my chart.
 

A.

The players LOVE playing for coach Kill. They will be "Tunnel Rats" wiki!
 




B - and let go before the 10 years Mason had so the AD can bring in "his guy".
 

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