Is Fleck’s agent actively looking for other coaching jobs?

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short ornery norwegian said:
I think this is a premature discussion.

Because there is a LOT riding on the last two games of the season.

Beat Wisconsin, win the Bowl game, go 9-4, and there is a better feeling going into the off-season.
split the next two games, go 8-5, and the heat gets turned up a notch.

Lose to Wisconsin, lose the Bowl game, go 7-6, and the heat gets turned up a lot.

Now IF Fleck, for whatever reason, was open to considering other job offers, he has to go 9-4.
Unless he wants to do a Jerry Kill and take over one of the worst D1 programs, he's not getting offers for a lateral move or a move up without at least going 9-4 this season.
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People who are smart don’t make hire or fire decisions based on one or two games.
If someone is interested in fleck this weekends game literally has no bearing on whether or not they want him.
 


stocker08 said:
A step up job fan base wouldn't deal with this vanilla....clock milking offensive gameplan. Fleck isn't going anywhere.
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He's our Frank Beamer. Someone drop Michael Vick Jr. in our lap please.
 

Some guy said:
If you do it that way for P5 next year but assume MN beats Eastern Michigan
4-1 headed into Michigan game
5-3 headed into Illinois game
5-6 headed into Wisconsin game


Gophers win 7 or 8 next year is my prediction.
Nebraska
Eastern Michigan
Northwestern
Lafayette

Plus 3 or 4 of:
Illinois - will be worse next year
Purdue - will be worse next year
Michigan state - will be better next year
Wisconsin - will be questionable next year based on how portal goes post coach hiring
Iowa - will be better next year
North Carolina - will be worse next year

Probably don’t beat Michigan or Ohio state. I think Michigan is better next year than they are this year. I assume Ohio state doesn’t fall too far back.
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We lose three offensive lineman, including our best by far. Combine that with losing almost our entire offensive production in Mo. The run game has not been the same without him. And, we most likely lose six starters on defense, including 3 of 4 defensive backs - the strength of the defense this year. So, if a fan from one of the other schools was doing what you did with their schedule for next year, they most likely would say Minnesota - will be worse next year.

With transfers and everything else things can change a lot for all these teams. For example, Purdue wouldn't be where they are this year without Charlie Jones.

The only wins I see that are likely for sure are Eastern Michigan and Lafayette, and Eastern Michigan, while not good this year, knocked off Arizona State. We haven't demonstrated anything this year that would dictate a sure win against anyone. Without transfer help, I see us most likely in the 4-7 range, with 7 being fortunate.
 

Tucker32 said:
We lose three offensive lineman, including our best by far. Combine that with losing almost our entire offensive production in Mo. The run game has not been the same without him. And, we most likely lose six starters on defense, including 3 of 4 defensive backs - the strength of the defense this year. So, if a fan from one of the other schools was doing what you did with their schedule for next year, they most likely would say Minnesota - will be worse next year.

With transfers and everything else things can change a lot for all these teams. For example, Purdue wouldn't be where they are this year without Charlie Jones.

The only wins I see that are likely for sure are Eastern Michigan and Lafayette, and Eastern Michigan, while not good this year, knocked off Arizona State. We haven't demonstrated anything this year that would dictate a sure win against anyone. Without transfer help, I see us most likely in the 4-7 range, with 7 being fortunate.
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So I said they could win 7-8
You say they might win up to 7 and felt the need to write me a novel defending it

We agree
 


dpodoll68 said:
I mean, could you be any more wrong?
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OK, I can agree they have had some good seasons sprinkled in there, but as a whole, Fleck's tenure has been the best this program has seen for quite some time.

Gutey - Bad
Wacker - terrible
Mason - average
Brewster - terrible
Kill - average
Fleck - above average

Those are the guys I have been alive for. I really don't go much into way way way back like some around here do.
 

Go Gophs said:
OK, I can agree they have had some good seasons sprinkled in there, but as a whole, Fleck's tenure has been the best this program has seen for quite some time.

Gutey - Bad
Wacker - terrible
Mason - average
Brewster - terrible
Kill - average
Fleck - above average

Those are the guys I have been alive for. I really don't go much into way way way back like some around here do.
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You said we've never been good, or even average, then 3/6 coaches you listed were at least average.
 

Gophers1992 said:
You said we've never been good, or even average, then 3/6 coaches you listed were at least average.
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My point is that people that want to fire Kill need to take a look back in time and remember the days of getting beat in most Big Ten games by 3 or more touchdowns and ending the season without even thinking about a Bowl game.
 

Go Gophs said:
Those are the guys I have been alive for. I really don't go much into way way way back like some around here do.
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You said "never," and the national champion, Big Ten champion, Rose Bowl-winning seasons happened whether you were alive for them or not.
 



Will you keep this same energy if we beat Wisco on Saturday??
 

PJ wont get fired here. He's winning enough games - its just frustrating as a fan to be in the mix the past couple years and not punch that ticket to Indy.

Unpopular take - but I think PJ thought it was going to be easier to recruit here. It looks like its taking a toll on him.

Unheard of - but PJ is a weird dude, I wouldnt be shocked to see him go to a mid-major (by choice) someday. He'll shape it as mentoring and growing young adults, giving back.... Be the biggest show in town, no media, everyone loves you etc. Maybe back to Northern Illinois? Lots of $$$ to give up but wouldnt shock me someday.
 

Polski said:
I don't want PJ to be canned, I want him to change his ridiculous ways.

When you coach scared........ you set the tone for the ENTIRE PROGRAM.

Don't throw the ball.
Don't return punts.
Don't return kicks.
Don't use backups in blowouts.
Don't change the offensive playbook.
Don't use anything with trickery or imagination.
Don't snap the ball till that damn play clock is almost at zero.

The "play to not screw up" helps get you wins against teams that you are physically superior to (Northwestern, Rutgers, etc). But it's not a winning formula (always coaching scared or conservative), when you're trying to break through to another level as a program, and beat the teams even with you or slightly above you.

Go ahead and coach scared. It feeds right down through the locker room.

Change your ways. Change your best.
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Agree and would add stop wasting valuable timeouts only to punt or RUTM !!
 




mngolf said:
We need better WRs
We did return punts
We did return kicks
He limited the use of some backups due to trying to get them records. Used them in many other positions though.
see point one
You use what works best and until the other teams stops it.
Keeps our defense off the field. Wouldn't change that at all.

While it is boring sometimes, all that matters is winning. Exciting losses do nothing for anyone.
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I don’t know that all that matters is winning. We spend a lot of time at the games watching our offensive players line up and stand there for 25 seconds before they snap the ball. It’s boring as shit. It should be entertaining and quite often it’s not. Plus, he’s not beating winning teams I think I read 2-8 post 2019.
 

Some guy said:
So I said they could win 7-8
You say they might win up to 7 and felt the need to write me a novel defending it

We agree
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not really, but if you want to be a jerk go ahead
 

Go Gophs said:
OK, I can agree they have had some good seasons sprinkled in there, but as a whole, Fleck's tenure has been the best this program has seen for quite some time.

Gutey - Bad
Wacker - terrible
Mason - average
Brewster - terrible
Kill - average
Fleck - above average

Those are the guys I have been alive for. I really don't go much into way way way back like some around here do.
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Fleck has not been above average
 

Bobby Big Wheel said:
I wouldnt be shocked to see him go to a mid-major (by choice) someday.
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I think if he feels like its taking a toll, he will go work for ESPN or FOX or CBS or NBC and cover Big Ten games. I could see him be a decent personality on a show or as an in-game analyst. People will love him or hate him, and that's what the networks want. He would be really good on the Gameday type shows. That's where you can go make some money, too.
 

Go Gophs said:
OK, I can agree they have had some good seasons sprinkled in there, but as a whole, Fleck's tenure has been the best this program has seen for quite some time.

Gutey - Bad
Wacker - terrible
Mason - average
Brewster - terrible
Kill - average
Fleck - above average
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Your analysis lacks all context.

1.) Fleck walked into a situation with a new stadium, new facilities, and a supportive AD including money for his staff.
2.) The prior coach was not fired due to the performance of the team on the field - the immediate year prior, they went 9-4
3.) When Fleck took over, the Gophers had re-established a bowl tradition - 5 bowls in the prior 5 seasons

Now, compare that to Glen Mason
1.) He needed to schedule recruiting trips around tractor pulls and monster truck shows at a stadium in no way connected to the campus with horrible attendance
2.) The prior coach had just gone 4-7 and was fired for the product on the field and averaged a shade over 3 wins a year during the prior 5 seasons.
3.) The Gophers had not gone bowling the prior decade

Now, I am not saying that Mason was God's gift to coaching - BUT - PJ's results are by no means astonishing given the situation he walked into. Off the top of my head, he had the following future NFL players on the squad:

Blake Cashman
TJ
Santoso
Carter Coughlin
Kamal Martin

This is far from a bare cupboard that Mason and the other coaches walked into with way less AD support etc.

I think Gopher fans are scared to make a coaching move because of the utterly moronic move to hire Tim Brewster. This is not even hiring one of the high flying coordinators or up and coming coaches - this was a completely reach move for a guy I think no one even knew was interviewing. For PJ, he is supposed to be a great recruiter and motivator - well, I question both given the drop off in talent after MO and for the entire receiver core as well as our lack of any halftime adjustment where the team actually plays better in the 2nd half.

Now, I am not saying that we need to fire PJ - but, we need to bring some realism to what would likely come next (not a Brewster 2.0 situation) as well as judge his performance based on the situation he was handed.
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
You don't think if he had the players to do it, he wouldn't open up the offense?
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That's the problem...which begs the question..why doesn't he have the players? How did he get Bateman but not land a legit receiver since? He's not an exceptional recruiter as we were led to believe and this program has regressed in the last 3 years.
 

csom_1991 said:
Your analysis lacks all context.

1.) Fleck walked into a situation with a new stadium, new facilities, and a supportive AD including money for his staff.
2.) The prior coach was not fired due to the performance of the team on the field - the immediate year prior, they went 9-4
3.) When Fleck took over, the Gophers had re-established a bowl tradition - 5 bowls in the prior 5 seasons

Now, compare that to Glen Mason
1.) He needed to schedule recruiting trips around tractor pulls and monster truck shows at a stadium in no way connected to the campus with horrible attendance
2.) The prior coach had just gone 4-7 and was fired for the product on the field and averaged a shade over 3 wins a year during the prior 5 seasons.
3.) The Gophers had not gone bowling the prior decade

Now, I am not saying that Mason was God's gift to coaching - BUT - PJ's results are by no means astonishing given the situation he walked into. Off the top of my head, he had the following future NFL players on the squad:

Blake Cashman
TJ
Santoso
Carter Coughlin
Kamal Martin

This is far from a bare cupboard that Mason and the other coaches walked into with way less AD support etc.

I think Gopher fans are scared to make a coaching move because of the utterly moronic move to hire Tim Brewster. This is not even hiring one of the high flying coordinators or up and coming coaches - this was a completely reach move for a guy I think no one even knew was interviewing. For PJ, he is supposed to be a great recruiter and motivator - well, I question both given the drop off in talent after MO and for the entire receiver core as well as our lack of any halftime adjustment where the team actually plays better in the 2nd half.

Now, I am not saying that we need to fire PJ - but, we need to bring some realism to what would likely come next (not a Brewster 2.0 situation) as well as judge his performance based on the situation he was handed.
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I completely agree with your assessment about PJs dropp off in recruiting, specifically, the lack of talent at the WR position. Question... do you think Joe Rossi has more potential to be the HC than PJ? With that said, do you think he's gone after this year?? Will we regret not replacing PJ with Rossi?
 

Going forward, once USC and UCLA join, and divisions are a thing of the past, this is what I see for the B1G.

1. OSU
2a, 2b, 2c. Michigan, USC, Penn State (in any order)
Bottom feeders. Rutgers and maybe Indiana.

Everyone else in the conference will be somewhere in between every year going forward depending on recruiting, coaching and luck, but none of the rest of the teams are likely to be winning any national titles, barring some amazing Cinderella story.
 

csom_1991 said:
I think Gopher fans are scared to make a coaching move because of the utterly moronic move to hire Tim Brewster. This is not even hiring one of the high flying coordinators or up and coming coaches - this was a completely reach move for a guy I think no one even knew was interviewing.
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I will never forget listening to - I think it was a national feed of an ESPN radio interview, and I was driving through Duluth, with Brew right after he was hired. I was absolutely horrified that we'd hired this tool. Moronic doesn't even touch the tip of the iceberg.
 

disco said:
I will never forget listening to - I think it was a national feed of an ESPN radio interview, and I was driving through Duluth, with Brew right after he was hired. I was absolutely horrified that we'd hired this tool. Moronic doesn't even touch the tip of the iceberg.
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I was pretty active on the board at this time and I remember the hope that we could land his kid to play here - but, he didn't get that to happen. But, I don't think anyone had him on any list or even knew the guy was interviewing. From what I recollect, he sold himself in the 1:1 interview and our AD was so impressed in the interview he knew he was 'his guy'. If that story is true, we deserved what we got. That said, I don't see how the Gophers would ever make that same mistake again. So, the likelihood of Brewster 2.0 is very low in my opinion. I think the worse case is we would get another Kill that would keep the program about where it is now.
 

Tucker32 said:
not really, but if you want to be a jerk go ahead
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No, we really do agree.
You feel they can win between 4-7
I feel they could win between 4-10
You’re just more confident in what you think of the team next year than I am. Our ranges completely overlap.
Nothing you’ve said is out of the realm of possibility.
 


FredCoxRocks said:
I am still on board with PJ Fleck, but is he not the guy who is responsible for bringing in new players every year?
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Point is for whatever reason the receivers on the roster aren't very productive in CAB's absence. If Jackson, MBS, BSF, or someone else emerged as a serious threat, I would fully expect 25-30 pass attempts each game!
 

COS Gopherfan said:
That's the problem...which begs the question..why doesn't he have the players? How did he get Bateman but not land a legit receiver since? He's not an exceptional recruiter as we were led to believe and this program has regressed in the last 3 years.
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Honestly, I believe NIL has hamstrung PJ's ability to recruit skill position players in particular. Maybe the Big G Gushers deal with Mo will help change things with regards to NIL.
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
Honestly, I believe NIL has hamstrung PJ's ability to recruit skill position players in particular. Maybe the Big G Gushers deal with Mo will help change things with regards to NIL.
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I wonder about the offensive skill position recruiting too. Most of the 4-stars recruited have been on the defensive side of the ball (which I generally like). I think Daniel Jackson is the only 4-star WR recruited by PJ, though Bateman was upgraded from 3 to 4 after signing. Maybe PJ and Co. thought WR could be more of a development position? Either that, or he's just had difficulty in getting them here in the first place. Given the Gophers reputation for being a running team now that rarely throws, I'm sure it makes it all that much harder.
 

Some guy said:
No, we really do agree.
You feel they can win between 4-7
I feel they could win between 4-10
You’re just more confident in what you think of the team next year than I am. Our ranges completely overlap.
Nothing you’ve said is out of the realm of possibility.
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I didn't see anything below 7 in your post, so apologize if I misread that.

I don't think I'm more confident of the team - I actually have no confidence about where they will be next year - just that they lose a lot and it is more likely they struggle than do well without significant improvement from existing players, or some really good transfers. My biggest question is PJ and his overly conservative approach over the entire year. He needs to develop a greater balance than he has had so they don't have to put together perfect, 12+ play drives all the time to win.
 

Tucker32 said:
I didn't see anything below 7 in your post, so apologize if I misread that.

I don't think I'm more confident of the team - I actually have no confidence about where they will be next year - just that they lose a lot and it is more likely they struggle than do well without significant improvement from existing players, or some really good transfers. My biggest question is PJ and his overly conservative approach over the entire year. He needs to develop a greater balance than he has had so they don't have to put together perfect, 12+ play drives all the time to win.
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I said 4 we will win.
2 we will lose.
6 that could go either way that I think we win 3-4 of.
 

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