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As mentioned already, I think that is nearly impossible. P5 teams have no reason to schedule games with programs like Cinci.
Iowa AD / CFP Chairman goes full jerkface regarding Cincinnati's CFP ranking
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It's stupid that Cincinnati that was ranked in the top 10 and is now 9-0 with teams losing all around them, is still ranked at only 6. They have taken care of everything they possibly could have including a top 10 win on the road. That is stupid. I did not say anything or suggest anything with regard to FCS football, that is not part of the conversation, except the conversation you are having with yourself.
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Why? Is #6 not in the top 10?
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Your arguments are fine, I just don't think they hold much water.
Something like "well team #8 wouldn't really do much worst against #1 than #4 would, so let's just throw #8 in there instead", is not going to stand on two legs.
Certainly, TV will say no.
Trounced, you mean like how Cincinnati was trounced by top 10 Notre Dame?
Do I think anyone can play with Georgia? No, maybe Alabama, but that's about it. It's not like Cincinnati would fare worse vs. Georgia than anyone else in the country, they will all get beat. Would I be afraid to matchup Cincinnati with anyone in the B1G? Not at all. Would love to see Cincinnati vs. Michigan State. I would think Cincy would be favored or at least have a good chance to win.
Last year did I think Coastal Carolina should be considered in the top 4? No way. This year do I think Cincy should be in the 4? For sure, that's a good team regardless of conference. The selection committee is trying to paint Cincinnati like they do Coastal or Fresno. That's not accurate.
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No on says they aren't good.
They just aren't top 4 good.
With a 12 team bracket, they'd be in.
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And it seems pretty suspect that both the coaches poll and the AP poll have SMU and Houston ranked, and the CFP does not. Both AAC teams that would have given Cinci wins over
No, my point is that in my perfect scenario, there would be a 16 team tournament, featuring all ten conference champions, and four at-large. So yes, last year that would have included Coastal. This year, it would likely include UTSA. That's how it's done in every other division. And if Coastal got pounded by the SEC champ in the first round, so be it, like when Martin Luther gets killed by St. Johns in the D3 playoffs.
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The Indiana game was scheduled in July of 2014 (link)
Indiana was coming off seasons of 4 wins (2012) and 5 wins (2013) and will be lucky to reach 4 this season. This is exactly the team they expected.
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While I like the idea of a 16-team playoff, it's unworkable in FBS. It would add 4 more games to the 12-game regular season (+1 for conference championship) for the final two teams; 2 more games than they have now. I think an 8-game playoff is as large as it will ever get as long as there are bowl game alternatives and conference championships.
I've long thought that someone would come up with an NIT equivalent in football for G5 teams. It would be better than the no-name shit bowls most play in now.
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D3 plays a 32 team tournament. That's ten regular season, and if you make it to the finals, an additional five game. FCS is a 24-team bracket, with the one seeds getting a bye in the first round. They play 12 regular season games, so if you didn't have a bye and you made it to the finals, you would have played 17 games.
Incorporate the shit bowls into the system. At least they'd mean something.
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I’d rather play (and beat) a team that played in a Power 5 conference.
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Not sure…..but I’d feel real positive about a matchup vs Notre Dame!!!!!
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So are you basically saying no G5 team could be better than a P5 team? On the off-chance we would play Cinci in a bowl game, and beat them, beating a top ten team, regardless of conference is a good feather in the cap.
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Michigan
Oklahoma
Wake Forest
Notre Dame
Those are the top 10 teams behind Cincy. Would you rather have a win vs Cincy, or ANY of those teams? The answer is obvious.
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100%.
Playing a G5 in a bowl game is the same problem for P5 as playing them in non-conf: if you win, you were supposed to, if you lose, it's an upset.
Cincinatti beat Notre dame
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Well... Minnesota wouldn't be playing Michigan in a bowl game, so let's just toss that out.
Wake Forest is having a historic year to be sure, but just because they're in the ACC doesn't mean they're better or more prestigious than Cinci. I think Cinci is a better team than WF.
ND and Oklahoma. From a name perspective, sure, those are big name legacy programs. But I don't know that they're better this season than Cincinnati. Oh wait, the Bearcats beat the hell out of ND, so we DO know they're a better team.
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ND hardly looks like a world beater this year, and there is not much to stop them from going through the season with that being their only loss. I think they get exposed in bowl season (most recent projections have them going to Peach Bowl vs. Michigan (CFN), Fiesta vs. Kentucky (what? Jerry Palm), Peach Bowl vs. Wake (Sporting News), etc. etc.
However, 3+ years down the road, when Cincy is in a P5 conference and bobbing around the middle of the pack, people would remember a win vs. ND more favorably that a win vs. Cincy. Just my opinion.
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The new Big XII won't be a P5. It will be down with the G's. There will be a P4.
What is the argument for 12 teams rather than 16? That way everybody is on a more level playing field or is the argument 13, 14, 15, 16 are going to lose to the top seeds anyway so why include them?
Maybe that has some merit but not playing coming off a bye can make it difficult to find your rhythm offensively. Of course the other side says they are rested and healed up and have an unfair advantage.
I think I'm an 8 or 16 guy vs 12.
Maybe that has some merit but not playing coming off a bye can make it difficult to find your rhythm offensively. Of course the other side says they are rested and healed up and have an unfair advantage.
I think I'm an 8 or 16 guy vs 12.
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One idea:
currently, you have to be top 4. So being top 4 is something special. With 12, the top 4 get byes, so being top 4 is still something worth fighting for, as opposed to #5,6,7.
Trying to keep the regular season as relevant as possible.
I’m not talking about 3 years from now
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I'm assuming Cinci scheduled Indiana a few years out (edit-just saw UU's post that it was 2104). The only assumption they could have made then was that it would be a winnable game. They are actually really lucky that Indiana was way overrated to start the season as it makes that win look better.
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What plays better in the press and to casual fans on January 2nd, 2022:
Gophers Defeat Top 10 Notre Dame 35-14
Gophers Defeat Top 10 Cincinnati 35-14
Which one will be more memorable to fans in the future?
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I agree. I think it should be 16.
I guess I missed what you were talking about. Yeah I tend to agree with you.
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A couple things....
If Cincy runs the table, they will be in a good position to end up in the top 4 this year. There are many losses still in front of the teams that currently surround them.
College football has the most under represented amount of teams that have a chance to win the national title than any other team sport. How only four teams have had a shot is mind boggling to me. Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Tennis, Golf etc......all have as much as 16X the opportunity to play for a national title. Going to 12-16 teams for the playoff only makes sense to me.
If Cincy runs the table, they will be in a good position to end up in the top 4 this year. There are many losses still in front of the teams that currently surround them.
College football has the most under represented amount of teams that have a chance to win the national title than any other team sport. How only four teams have had a shot is mind boggling to me. Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Tennis, Golf etc......all have as much as 16X the opportunity to play for a national title. Going to 12-16 teams for the playoff only makes sense to me.
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My preference is 8 teams. 5 conference winners and 3 at-large. So how would it play out if every team wins all their remaining games, lower ranked team takes the "L" for this exercise.
Auburn and A&M still have to play each other.
I have 7 teams in and I'm not sure who would be #8. For the life of me, I can't find 12 teams, that after a full season, conference championship (sorry ND and BYU) truly deserve the opportunity to get into a playoff expanded past 8. Now find 16 teams.
This assumes a nice, clean, top-ranked team winning each game. Put Alabama winning the CCG and they and Georgia are both at 12-1 and what does that do. MSU still has to face tOSU and may not reach the CCG. Do they deserve a playoff spot if they don't even make the CCG? Not in my mind.
8 is the right number, and I'll die on that hill.
| Georgia | 13-0 | IN |
| Alabama | 11-2 | out |
| MSU | 13-0 | IN |
| Oregon | 12-1 | IN |
| tOSU | 11-2 | out |
| Cincinnati | 13-0 | IN |
| Mich | 11-2 | out |
| Oklahoma | 13-0 | IN |
| Wake Forest | 13-0 | IN |
| Notre Dame | 11-1 | IN |
| OK St. | 11-2 | |
| Baylor | 11-2 | |
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| A&M | ||
| BYU | ||
| Ole Miss | ||
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| Kentucky | ||
| NC State | ||
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Auburn and A&M still have to play each other.
I have 7 teams in and I'm not sure who would be #8. For the life of me, I can't find 12 teams, that after a full season, conference championship (sorry ND and BYU) truly deserve the opportunity to get into a playoff expanded past 8. Now find 16 teams.
This assumes a nice, clean, top-ranked team winning each game. Put Alabama winning the CCG and they and Georgia are both at 12-1 and what does that do. MSU still has to face tOSU and may not reach the CCG. Do they deserve a playoff spot if they don't even make the CCG? Not in my mind.
8 is the right number, and I'll die on that hill.
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Doesn't matter how powerful and fair the logic is that you used to arrive at this.
TV has to agree to pay for it. That's the actual end all, be all. And they want 12. So, you'll lose.