I'm absolutely shocked at some of the reactions here

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GoldenGo4Fan said:
I think 2005 was used because it was @ PSU, just like this year. They weren't being selective, just comparing apples to apples.
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So then let's compare 3rd years to 3rd years...or is that unfair?
 

thailleagle said:
So then let's compare 3rd years to 3rd years...or is that unfair?
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1999 has little to do with 2009. So what would be the point? But when you consider that many of the players currently on the team right now were on the field in '05, or at least in '06, then yes, I think there's some relevance there.
 

Monty519 said:
1999 has little to do with 2009. So what would be the point? But when you consider that many of the players currently on the team right now were on the field in '05, or at least in '06, then yes, I think there's some relevance there.
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So it's not fair to compare each coaches 3rd Year at Minnesota?
 


thailleagle said:
So it's not fair to compare each coaches 3rd Year at Minnesota?
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You can if you want, it's fair game. I personally just think there's not a whole lot to compare, two totally different situations with all completely different players, different college football landscape, etc. A lot of things have changed between 1999 and 2009 to just do a direct comparison like that.

I just think the team in 2006, is a small scope into seeing the issues with the team currently, and puts a little perspective into what we are seeing today in 2009.
 


lakesgopher said:
I'm a glass half full, but more important I never thought we were talented enough to dominate th big ten and make the rose bowl like you and your moronic homeboys!
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Literally no one thought that and you know it, but you'd rather argue with this straw man than seriously address anyone's concerns.
 

Mason took over a trainwreck that hadn't been to a bowl game in nearly 10 years.......

Brewster took over a trainwreck that had been to 6 consecutive bowl games.......

Let's not ignore this........
 

BigGopherFan, I need you to settle a bet for us....

I think you're about 16 years old but Ole says you're not a day over 14.
 

AhliBobwa said:
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So the short answer was yes, you acknowledge the fact that you don't know anything about football? Because if you can't see the difference in athleticism and ability of the players we have on Defense, or realize that it takes more than 2 full recruiting classes to build depth, (especially on the lines), then there is no point in arguing with you. Anyone who has ever played, coached, or critically watched football at the college level understands this. Clearly, you are not one of those people. :pig:
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What abilities? Stupid penalties? Yelling at coaches? Celebrating a tackle after a 20 yard gain? How many times does the defense need to be scorched for a long TD before you realize there's very little to no improvement from the D? On paper, they MIGHT be better athletes but they sure as heck don't show it. I don't care if your defense has Jared Allen, Ray Lewis, and Troy Polamolu....if you can't tackle and you give up a ton of points and yards, and rarely stop anyone on 3rd down....you're not very good. Do you honestly think that the OSU coaching staff is looking at game film from yesterday and commenting to one another that the Gopher defense is better than last year...or the year before? Are they quicker? Maybe. Does it matter if you're out of position or can't execute?
 



thailleagle said:
Mason took over a trainwreck that hadn't been to a bowl game in nearly 10 years.......

Brewster took over a trainwreck that had been to 6 consecutive bowl games.......

Let's not ignore this........
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It's true. The Gophers were a very solid squad in 2006. There was almost too much talent on the team, to the point that guys who would be starting for most BCS programs were forced to ride the pine.

I have no answer as to why Brewster pissed away all that talent. It's depressing considering how Mason rose the team from the ashes like a majestic phoenix in his third year. The cupboards were bare after Wacker left, with absolutely zero NFL prospects, but Mase worked his magic, and the Gophers became the juggernaut of the Big Ten they remained throughout his tenure.
 

thailleagle said:
Mason took over a trainwreck that hadn't been to a bowl game in nearly 10 years.......

Brewster took over a trainwreck that had been to 6 consecutive bowl games.......

Let's not ignore this........
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Don't ignore that the trainwreck Brewster inherited had recruited at subpar levels for the three or four years prior to his arrival, leaving him with a team that was in no kind of shape to make a bowl game at all, regardless to whether it had made one the previous 6 seasons. I couldn't care less what Mason took over, that was over 12 years ago, I don't care if he had a good third year, that was 10 years ago. What relevance does that have with today's current Gopher football team?
 

"If anything, he is barely treading water only because he was responsible for dragging the program into the abyss by going 1-11 his first year. That's what people forget around here, the only reason 7-5 looked so good last year was because Brewster effed around and went 1-11 the year before."

Put down the pipe dude. Mason left the cupboard completely empty. I've never seen ANY NCAA team that devoid of talent. Even Mason knew damn well they were in trouble which is why he had frantically scoured the Juco ranks and had 7 (?) coming in for 2007, many of whom were expected to start immediately. Once the coaching change happened we lost all those players so not only were expected starters lost but a lot of depth as well. Then we lost our best defender and starting CB in Dom Jones, the other probable starter at CB in Keith Massey, plus Alex Daniels who was expected to see time at DE along with EJ Jones (? The RB) who would have seen the field all to a sexual assault case. Oh, and Robert McField was arrested for armed robbery (Nice work vetting the kid Mason. The frickin charge was PENDING when he was recruited!). Oh, and we also started a Freshman QB. Oh yeah, then our starting RB was injured for most of the year. Vince Lombardi couldn't have coached 3 wins out of those mules. We lost to North Dakota St not because we were outcoached, but because laughably we were outclassed in the talent department.

THAT'S what Mason left behind, so spare the "Brewster inherited a bowl team!" propaganda.
 

MBAGuy said:
It's true. The Gophers were a very solid squad in 2006. There was almost too much talent on the team, to the point that guys who would be starting for most BCS programs were forced to ride the pine.

I have no answer as to why Brewster pissed away all that talent. It's depressing considering how Mason rose the team from the ashes like a majestic phoenix in his third year. The cupboards were bare after Wacker left, with absolutely zero NFL prospects, but Mase worked his magic, and the Gophers became the juggernaut of the Big Ten they remained throughout his tenure.
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That squad went to a Bowl Game...but let's ignore that........
 



thailleagle said:
That squad went to a Bowl Game...but let's ignore that........
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Didn't I say they were a solid team? Pretty sure I said that....

Yep, just re-read my post, and it says they were a solid squad.

There's no way they would have made it to a bowl game if they weren't a solid squad. Furthermore, they wouldn't have made it to a bowl if they didn't have gobs of underclassmen talent waiting in the wings. Finally, there's zero chance the team would have made a bowl game if there was any probability the team would be decimated the following year by sexual assault charges. None.
 


Agree with the OP. Let's take a step back and look objectively.
1. The team has beaten all the teams in which they were favored (I don't remember if Sconnie was favored or not).
2. The team has lost to all the teams in which they were underdogs.
3. In some areas the team has improved (rushing defense, special teams)
4. In some areas the team has regressed (offense)
5. In many areas the team has remained the same (pass defense, pass rush)

I'm not convinced Brewster is the answer but I'm not convinced he isn't either. I do know that 2.5 years isn't enough to evaluate him completely. I also believe that firing the coach would send the program to the conference cellar for the next 3 years.

Let's play the final 4 games and see where we're at.
 

Perspective

thailleagle said:
That squad went to a Bowl Game...but let's ignore that........
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1. It was the Insight Bowl... THE INSIGHT BOWL!!! How many bowls are worse than that(Big Ten bowls) maybe 2. or am I way off?

2. The biggest collapse in Insight Bowl history.

3. Since when does getting to the Insight Bowl, collapsing and losing the Insight Bowl, give any team the gimme to be amazing the next year?:confused::confused:
 

RUGoldenAZ said:
3. Since when does getting to the Insight Bowl, collapsing and losing the Insight Bowl, give any team the gimme to be amazing the next year?:confused::confused:
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While I agree the roster was deeply flawed no one is arguing that the team was a "gimme to be amazing next year". That's a blatantly dishonest representation of the arguments you're opposing here.
 

RUGoldenAZ said:
1. It was the Insight Bowl... THE INSIGHT BOWL!!! How many bowls are worse than that(Big Ten bowls) maybe 2. or am I way off?

2. The biggest collapse in Insight Bowl history.

3. Since when does getting to the Insight Bowl, collapsing and losing the Insight Bowl, give any team the gimme to be amazing the next year?:confused::confused:
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1-11 was much better I agree.......
 

So basically Thai, after Brew went 1-11 in his first season, when he promised you the Rose Bowl, you were done. You bought in, he betrayed you personally, and you were ready for his removal, right? I think that's the problem with most Brew bashers. He had the gall to LIE to you. He's a LIAR! IF so, I guess that's your right. I just think you will be missing out on something special.
 

BigGopherFan said:
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No, I understand Minnesota had no business winning those two games, but it's the way they looked against PSU and OSU that says a lot about Brewster's coaching style. Too many penalties, under-achieving "blue-chip" recruits and arguments with coaches. It was downright pathetic. Don't forget the troubling loss at home against the Badgers and the late-season collapse last season. His body of work is atrocious. The man is promising Rose Bowls and his teams don't even look like they belong on the same field as Penn State on Ohio State.
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amazing utterly amazing......under achieving blue star recruits that held Ohio state to one score in the horse shoe..... with two red zone stops were they came away with no points.... if we did not turn the ball over 5 times and put the defense a no win situation all we gIve up was one score in the shoe.....the week before our under achieving recruits only legitimately gave up 13 points to P.S.U at P.S.U. to say that is under achieving is utterly amazing..... ohhh least i forget troubling loss to the badgers we lost by three not 53 utterly amazing...
 

this post is plain stupid

Art Vandelay said:
C'mon man....You've gotta come up with a better excuse than that. If the Gopher D is on the field too much, then here's an idea. STOP SOMEBODY ON 3RD DOWN FOR CRYIN' OUTLOUD! Is that the offense's fault too? At the end of the day, all that matters is stats (i.e. points allowed) and there is zero improvement. You don't get points for being "faster, more athletic, and competitive" than past teams. OSU just put up 38 points and 500+ yards. Yeah, a couple TD's were on short fields but they still racked up over 500 yards and there were a slew of stupid mistakes. The team is poorly coached with a glorified team manager running the offense. That is not a recipe for success...
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this about the dumbest post i have ever read..... let me repeat myself our defense held Ohio state to 1 score with two red zone stops were they got 0 points.... the game is geared for the offense the rules our slated for the offense... the best defense is to keep the other teams offense off the field to limit their chances... if you do not do that an offense is going to score..... pro defenses give up third and longs the name of the game on defense is to not allow touch downs the defense gave up 7 points at the horse shoe and 13 points at P.S.U. it does not matter if an offense rolls up 1000 yards in a game if they come away with no points...
 

gopher pops said:
this about the dumbest post i have ever read..... let me repeat myself our defense held Ohio state to 1 score with two red zone stops were they got 0 points.... the game is geared for the offense the rules our slated for the offense... the best defense is to keep the other teams offense off the field to limit their chances... if you do not do that an offense is going to score..... pro defenses give up third and longs the name of the game on defense is to not allow touch downs the defense gave up 7 points at the horse shoe and 13 points at P.S.U. it does not matter if an offense rolls up 1000 yards in a game if they come away with no points...
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Yeah, I think it was established that this was the poster's way of admitting he doesn't understand football.
 

thailleagle said:
1-11 was much better I agree.......
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what brew should have done is scheduled toledo, northern illinois, temple, and ball st instead of cal, air force, syracuse, usc, texas, etc etc, that way we could win all of the non conference games, and then beat purdue, indiana, and/or northwestern so we get 6-7 wins and make it to some butthole bowl game mason style. thailleagle-your the biggest dumb ass I have ever argued with.

offense-worse then when brew started
defense-absolutely better
special teams-much improved

to say the 06 team was legit is a joke, they should have lost to a d1aa ndsu team! there was a lot of turn over in 07-look at mich, how did they do in their first year with rich rod? with much better athletes then what brew took in...first year coaches struggle, at nearly every program! I can't believe your bitching that brew can't coach-if he gets this team to the insight bowl or the music city bowl are you going to praise him the way you praise mason for his big ten dominance?
 

re "This post is plain stupid"...

gopher pops said:
this about the dumbest post i have ever read..... let me repeat myself our defense held Ohio state to 1 score with two red zone stops were they got 0 points.... the game is geared for the offense the rules our slated for the offense... the best defense is to keep the other teams offense off the field to limit their chances... if you do not do that an offense is going to score..... pro defenses give up third and longs the name of the game on defense is to not allow touch downs the defense gave up 7 points at the horse shoe and 13 points at P.S.U. it does not matter if an offense rolls up 1000 yards in a game if they come away with no points...
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We live in an age of specialists...some GHers specialize in "plain stupid" posts.
 

On "Butthole Bowls"...

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Originally Posted by thailleagle
1-11 was much better I agree.......
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lakesgopher said:
what brew should have done is scheduled toledo, northern illinois, temple, and ball st instead of cal, air force, syracuse, usc, texas, etc etc, that way we could win all of the non conference games, and then beat purdue, indiana, and/or northwestern so we get 6-7 wins and make it to some butthole bowl game mason style. thailleagle-your the biggest dumb ass I have ever argued with.

offense-worse then when brew started
defense-absolutely better
special teams-much improved

to say the 06 team was legit is a joke, they should have lost to a d1aa ndsu team! there was a lot of turn over in 07-look at mich, how did they do in their first year with rich rod? with much better athletes then what brew took in...first year coaches struggle, at nearly every program! I can't believe your bitching that brew can't coach-if he gets this team to the insight bowl or the music city bowl are you going to praise him the way you praise mason for his big ten dominance?
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thailleagle == unrepentant, incorrigible Masonite...proud of Mason's "Butthole"/"Toliet" bowl game strategy. If Mason were still HC, the BBs would be rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of yet another prestigious Toilet Bowl appearance for the GGs.
 

Section2 said:
So basically Thai, after Brew went 1-11 in his first season, when he promised you the Rose Bowl, you were done. You bought in, he betrayed you personally, and you were ready for his removal, right? I think that's the problem with most Brew bashers. He had the gall to LIE to you. He's a LIAR! IF so, I guess that's your right. I just think you will be missing out on something special.
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stop it
 

NewEngland_Gold said:
thailleagle == unrepentant, incorrigible Masonite...proud of Mason's "Butthole"/"Toliet" bowl game strategy. If Mason were still HC, the BBs would be rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of yet another prestigious Toilet Bowl appearance for the GGs.
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lol...whatever helps you feel better about us not being not much better then last year....... :clap:
 

My personal feeling is if they lose out the last three games of the season and go 2-6 they are looking at a 5-19 record durring Brewster tenure. He should get at least one more year and two to be generous. The conference win/loss record should be 500 in his final year(s) or he is gone.

A 25% winning record should not be acceptable.
 

Horrible? gimme a break!

BigGopherFan said:
Listen, if he is bringing such great classes, then why is the team still so horrible? I understand you are going to tell me that these recruits are still a year away from making an impact, but who on the bench is going to be a dynamic player some day? I don't think there is very many guys. Let's be honest.
And by the way, his latest class has exactly ONE four-star guy inked. That's not good....
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A: This isn't basketball, where you can bring in one Carmelo Anthony at Syracuse and have him lead you to a national title as a freshman. It is the Jr's and Sr's that lead a team in whatever direction they're going and the gophers are still playing with Mason's jr's and sr's. As Grunkie and others have said, it takes time to turn around a football time. We should start to see progress beyond Mason's levels next year and really see it in 2011.

B: The gophers don't have ANYBODY "inked" yet - that comes in Feb. But they have TWO four-stars committed according to Rivals - and 15 3-stars, which is probably as many as Mason had in any 3 or four year period. ;)
 

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