How much trouble is Ryan Day in?

[Gopher_In_NYC]

You get bothered really easily, lol.

The comment I initially posted was commenting on another poster’s suggestion -

As Sweet Lou said Mike Vrabel would be a good fit; he’s an alum and proven HC in the

Not really, as my comment was as innocuous as can be - a good fit, not the only fit or the best fit. Not reading carefully is an easy way to make incorrect assumptions and you know what they say about those.

Internet know it all blowhards annoy me; them and Sasquatches.

Everything I stated is fact and common knowledge in my circles.

How would anyone know what ️ you run in, bro?

Vrabel not liking recruiting is absolutely a fact, also well known.

I’m sure it’s common knowledge for the majority of fans who don’t have the “connections” you allude to below.

One of my closest friends in life, Dave Dunlap,

Is that Dave on the left and you on the right? So you’re both still available on E-Harmony? Amazing

played with/ against him and still lives in Dublin right now and is extremely plugged in and fills me in all the time on all things Ohio State. I also coached in the Lima area for a half dozen years there before moving and made countless contacts, so yes,

So, just like the average fan you’d expect to find on GopherHole . Or are you a straight up troll instead ?

I know it will not be Vrabel, and Freeman would be the first call if anything were to happen with Day. Worst kept secret in football.

As I said time will tell kiddo.

I come on here for entertainment and good natured jocularity, not to bolster my self-esteem, because my faith does that for me; the best Insider one can be, in my experience.

I won’t be responding further, as your motivation for being on here, seems to differ from mine.

 

[PMWinSTP]

Freeman is interesting but in new format 10-2 notre dame is going to make playoff 80% of the time whereas 10-2 is getting day run out of town (and I would argue Ohio state plays a tougher schedule).

So you’d have to blow away the money. And as some know, the pope has deep pockets

You don't think a 10-2 OSU makes it 80% of the time?

 

[Some guy]

You don't think a 10-2 OSU makes it 80% of the time?

No, they do, close to 100% of the time. I just think you’re more likely to pick up 3 losses against Ohio state’s schedule than Notre dames.

10-2 at notre dame will never get you fired.
10-2 at Ohio state has everyone talking. I don’t think they will fire him but if next year is the same they would for sure

 

[Sparlimb]

I think the issue is reports had OSU paying more for this year's team then any other school. Not sure if that's been confirmed anywhere, but as I like to always say, people want a return on their investment. And not beating Michigan doesn't get it done. Its unfair in a way, but is what it is.

 

[Some guy]

I think the issue is reports had OSU paying more for this year's team then any other school. Not sure if that's been confirmed anywhere, but as I like to always say, people want a return on their investment. And not beating Michigan doesn't get it done. Its unfair in a way, but is what it is.

Yes. Ohio state is a little more upside but a lot higher expectation compared to notre dame.

The money would have to be large


I wonder if Brian Kelly is happy with his choice to go to a place with more upside?

 

[SeaBee_Gopher]

I watch a ton of Ohio State football and listen to some of their pods because, besides the Gophers, I want to root for a team that actually has a chance to win the national championship. The Gophers are my #1, but they are my #2.

I think he's gone if they don't at least get to the NC game. He was an assistant coach to Urban Meyer and was just promoted when Meyer left. He's done very well against overmatched opponents (i.e. the Big Ten except Michigan and Oregon), but not as well in the CFP where the talent is more even. There isn't a lot of evidence he is a great close game coach. He seems to turtle up which was a common complaint many had of PJ Fleck. I think PJ has shown this year he will be more aggressive when he believes in his quarterback. I'm not sure Day will get more time beyond this year to prove the same.

Ohio State might be the best job in the P4. They are in the richest conference in the country, have the best recruiting base in the B1G and seem to get a ton of money from their NIL too. Dang! That's the trifecta isn't it? They might rightly decide to try to do better and get a coach that actually has a track record of winning at the highest level as a HEAD coach.

I think people are overlooking the fact it was windy at Ohio State during the game which we all know can kill a passing game. Day mentioned that during his post-game presser. It's easy to overlook because Michigan didn't throw the ball much and looked terrible when they did, but we expected that from them. I saw a couple Ohio State deeper passes that looked way off early and I think that scared Day away from the pass. That along with the fact they lost their two best offensive lineman for the season over the last few weeks had them afraid they couldn't pass block a great Michigan d-line and that turned out to be true.

They tried to play a very safe game, limit mistakes and just win with defense (remind you of anyone?). The problem is when that doesn't work out the fan base will eat you alive. Day has even less excuse than most because he has the best wide receivers in the nation. Yes, Will Howard threw 2 picks, but who cares, at least go down swinging! Michigan had two 15-yard defensive pass interference calls against them while trying to cover Jeremiah Smith and yet OSU barely threw to him in the second half. I bet with a little truth serum even Day would admit that was a mistake.

In any case, this isn't as inconceivable a loss as many may think especially because of the weather. Michigan was a better team than their record and was playing better at the end of the year. Even Ohio State's $20 million roster has holes, the o-line in their case. Michigan's best unit is their d-line. OSU can still win the national championship if things fall right. Maybe we'll see the best of Ryan Day in the CFP now that he knows he's coaching for his job. Let it rip!

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

I think the issue is reports had OSU paying more for this year's team then any other school. Not sure if that's been confirmed anywhere, but as I like to always say, people want a return on their investment. And not beating Michigan doesn't get it done. Its unfair in a way, but is what it is.

Aaron Taylor said on the CBS halftime show, it was a $20M roster.

 

[PMWinSTP]

No, they do, close to 100% of the time. I just think you’re more likely to pick up 3 losses against Ohio state’s schedule than Notre dames.

10-2 at notre dame will never get you fired.
10-2 at Ohio state has everyone talking. I don’t think they will fire him but if next year is the same they would for sure

I think it would be a dumb move if he gets fired. A majority of Tressel's seasons had two or more losses. Three of Meyer's seven were two loss seasons.

 

[Some guy]

I think it would be a dumb move if he gets fired. A majority of Tressel's seasons had two or more losses. Three of Meyer's seven were two loss seasons.

Agree with you on that.

 

[Word]

I think the issue is reports had OSU paying more for this year's team then any other school. Not sure if that's been confirmed anywhere, but as I like to always say, people want a return on their investment. And not beating Michigan doesn't get it done. Its unfair in a way, but is what it is.

Doesn't help it is a bad Michigan team too.

 

[upnorthkid]

I think it would be a dumb move if he gets fired. A majority of Tressel's seasons had two or more losses. Three of Meyer's seven were two loss seasons.

You get a lot more grace when you win it all in the midst of them.

They also scapegoated McCord last year who was really good for Syracuse and probably cost a lot less (where you could’ve paid more money for lineman).

 

[Holy Man]

No, they do, close to 100% of the time. I just think you’re more likely to pick up 3 losses against Ohio state’s schedule than Notre dames.

10-2 at notre dame will never get you fired.
10-2 at Ohio state has everyone talking. I don’t think they will fire him but if next year is the same they would for sure

10-2 is not what has them talking. 1-4 against Michigan is taking him down. Difference.

 

[Some guy]

10-2 is not what has them talking. 1-4 against Michigan is taking him down. Difference.

Well if you lose to Michigan to fall out of the big ten title game you’re probably 10-2
If they were playing Oregon for the big ten title this week people would be less angry

 

[GopherTheJugular]

The game was just..just bad.

There were some bad plays, but that was one of the more exciting games of the season if you ask me. Sawyer's pick near the goal line..., all kinds of drama.

Instant classic is more like it.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

I think it would be a dumb move if he gets fired. A majority of Tressel's seasons had two or more losses. Three of Meyer's seven were two loss seasons.

I could be wrong, but both of them won National Championships. I think if Day wins (or even gets to the finals) he is staying around. Just my opinion.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

That along with the fact they lost their two best offensive lineman for the season over the last few weeks had them afraid they couldn't pass block a great Michigan d-line and that turned out to be true.

I dunno, I mean I'm going off of watching Klatt's analysis, but it seemed like Ohio State was doing fine with trap blocks but wasn't doing crap when just trying to block the guy in front of them.

Michigan was also down it's top offensive threat in Loveland and they didn't have their first round CB either.

No way should Ohio State have lost this one.

 

[1983]

Aaron Taylor said on the CBS halftime show, it was a $20M roster.

Which is why it was hilarious. Love to see both those paid teams go done.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

Which is why it was hilarious. Love to see both those paid teams go done.

Go Boise!

 

[MNVCGUY]

Well if you lose to Michigan to fall out of the big ten title game you’re probably 10-2
If they were playing Oregon for the big ten title this week people would be less angry

What you are saying makes sense when talking about most fan bases but when talking about Ohio State and Michigan I am not so sure the same thought process applies. Winning a National title MIGHT surpass winning The Game but I think both fan bases would gladly trade a conference title for a win over the other team.

The simple fact that Day is almost certainly on the hotseat is proof of that. I truly believe the only way he survives this is if they win the National Championship. My father in law who is a massive Ohio State fan agrees and he is ready to send Day packing right now.

 

[Some guy]

What you are saying makes sense when talking about most fan bases but when talking about Ohio State and Michigan I am not so sure the same thought process applies. Winning a National title MIGHT surpass winning The Game but I think both fan bases would gladly trade a conference title for a win over the other team.

The simple fact that Day is almost certainly on the hotseat is proof of that. I truly believe the only way he survives this is if they win the National Championship. My father in law who is a massive Ohio State fan agrees and he is ready to send Day packing right now.

And everything you say here is why I think it’ll be tough to pull freeman from notre dame

 

[Pompous Elitist]

I think the issue is reports had OSU paying more for this year's team then any other school. Not sure if that's been confirmed anywhere, but as I like to always say, people want a return on their investment. And not beating Michigan doesn't get it done. Its unfair in a way, but is what it is.

I think you’re right. The curse of being a fan of a team with a loaded roster is expectations are too high and it isn’t much fun. The fans want to crush other teams, beat Michigan, at least get into the national championship and if some of those or all of those aren’t happening then fans will get even more entitled if they are literally helping fund the payroll out of their own after-tax dollars.

The cautionary tale is USC. Despite every advantage they have had a pretty tough run since the sanctions. I don’t really like Day, or his wierd approach to Michigan. The whole thing seems a little over the top serious.

 

[Otis]

Another quick exit from the playoff and he’s a dead man walking.

I’ve always thought he’s overrated.

 

[SeaBee_Gopher]

I dunno, I mean I'm going off of watching Klatt's analysis, but it seemed like Ohio State was doing fine with trap blocks but wasn't doing crap when just trying to block the guy in front of them.

Michigan was also down it's top offensive threat in Loveland and they didn't have their first round CB either.

No way should Ohio State have lost this one.

He should not have lost this game. He coached scared. If he let his QB throw and the throws blew all over the place and were incomplete or intercepted or his QB had no time and was sacked, at least he tried to use his talented WRs. Instead of everyone being mad at him, they are mad at the QB and he can explain it was the wind. Because of the way he handled this, all the blame falls on him. He didn't even give his talented players a chance after the QB threw the two picks.

Besides being scared of taking a chance, the only thing I can think of is that he wanted to at least keep the game close if they lost. They are guaranteed a spot in the playoff with a close loss. Only a blowout puts their playoff hopes in jeopardy. I could see this logic, but I don't think that's why he called the game the way he did. Losing this game does not force them to play more games. They will not get a bye in the first round of the playoff, but they also don't have to play a really good Oregon team in the B1G championship so their road to the championship didn't really get any tougher. In fact, playing the B1G championship, losing and still having to play in the first round is the worst route from a wear-and-tear perspective.

Maybe he lost to Michigan on purpose!

 

[MonikerSchmoniker45]

Mike Vrabel.

Vrabel has said he doesn't wanna recruit.

 

[60's Guy]

If his buyout is really $37 million dollars....that is a lotta money to fire a guy who is 74 and 1 against everybody in the Big Ten but Michigan. Likely gotta fund the buyout for the new guy to leave his school and NIL was $20 million and probably going up. I don't know....that's a lotta cash for no guarantee.
Does Saban unretire? No buyout.

 

[Taji34]

I think Ryan Day is very much in the hot seat, mostly due to being 1-4 vs Michigan, but also because of the following:

2019 post season: Close loss to Clemson in CFP Semifinal.
2020: Blowout loss in CFP final to Alabama.
2021: Missed CFP due to losing to Michigan and dropping out of the top 4 right at the end of the season. Missed B1G Championship game as well.
2022: Close loss to Georgia in CFP semi-final. Missed B1G championship game due to loss to Michigan.
2023: Missed CFP due to losing to Michigan and dropping out of the top 4 right at the end of the season. Missed B1G Championship game as well.
2024: Missed B1G Championship due to loss to Michigan.

They'll make the expanded playoff for sure, but won't get a 1st round bye because they dropped out of the top 5 due to their loss to Michigan. Depending on where they rank, they might not even get to be the host of their 1st round game.

If they are able to survive to the semi-finals or the finals that might be enough to prevent them from firing Ryan Day, but if OSU exits in the first round or the quarter finals I don't know that Ryan Day remains HC.

It's the double edged sword of high expectations. If PJ Fleck had the Gophers playing at the level of OSU we wouldn't even think of firing him, but OSU fans expect the team to be a national title contender every year, and expect to beat Michigan every year as well.

The risk of firing him, though, is the risk of this being somewhat of a Bo Pelini moment (obviously he was fired mostly for reasons unrelated to his performance as HC, but the point still stands) where you fire a successful coach and then go into a multi-year tailspin where the person you hire to replace them doesn't perform.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

I think Ryan Day is very much in the hot seat, mostly due to being 1-4 vs Michigan, but also because of the following:

2019 post season: Close loss to Clemson in CFP Semifinal.
2020: Blowout loss in CFP final to Alabama.
2021: Missed CFP due to losing to Michigan and dropping out of the top 4 right at the end of the season. Missed B1G Championship game as well.
2022: Close loss to Georgia in CFP semi-final. Missed B1G championship game due to loss to Michigan.
2023: Missed CFP due to losing to Michigan and dropping out of the top 4 right at the end of the season. Missed B1G Championship game as well.
2024: Missed B1G Championship due to loss to Michigan.

They'll make the expanded playoff for sure, but won't get a 1st round bye because they dropped out of the top 5 due to their loss to Michigan. Depending on where they rank, they might not even get to be the host of their 1st round game.

If they are able to survive to the semi-finals or the finals that might be enough to prevent them from firing Ryan Day, but if OSU exits in the first round or the quarter finals I don't know that Ryan Day remains HC.

It's the double edged sword of high expectations. If PJ Fleck had the Gophers playing at the level of OSU we wouldn't even think of firing him, but OSU fans expect the team to be a national title contender every year, and expect to beat Michigan every year as well.

The risk of firing him, though, is the risk of this being somewhat of a Bo Pelini moment (obviously he was fired mostly for reasons unrelated to his performance as HC, but the point still stands) where you fire a successful coach and then go into a multi-year tailspin where the person you hire to replace them doesn't perform.

Great summation- thanks

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

Ryan Day receives vote of confidence from Ohio State AD after fourth Michigan loss: 'He's our coach'​

Ryan Day receives vote of confidence from Ohio State AD after fourth Michigan loss: 'He's our coach'

Day appears locked in as the Buckeyes coach through a potential College Football Playoff appearance and beyond

www.cbssports.com

Those talks were a precursor for me dusting off my CV.

 

[GoldGoldGold]

Ryan Day receives vote of confidence from Ohio State AD after fourth Michigan loss: 'He's our coach'​

Ryan Day receives vote of confidence from Ohio State AD after fourth Michigan loss: 'He's our coach'

Day appears locked in as the Buckeyes coach through a potential College Football Playoff appearance and beyond

www.cbssports.com

Kiss of death.... LOL!

 

[Spaulding!No!]

There were some bad plays, but that was one of the more exciting games of the season if you ask me. Sawyer's pick near the goal line..., all kinds of drama.

Instant classic is more like it.

Hmmm…ok