Hallman: Black coaches' shelf life is much shorter & benefit of the doubt much less practiced as opposed to their White counterpart

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oleboy41 said:
I don’t fully disagree with your statements but I generally take issue with the sentiment. Black people (and non black allies) have fought tooth and nail to get every right/concession, the whole while being shouted down by huge segments of the population. The Jussie Smollets of the world only do damage in the minds of those who were opposed in the first place. For every Jussie Smollet situation there are dozens more where black people were physically harmed at the hands of racists and uncountable situations where people were harmed by systemic racism. How many black men are dead today because of a false accusation made by a white person? Its in the thousands. But Jussie Smollet is damaging the cause? No, that situation simply helps reinforce the opinions of those who were and remain enemies of black people and harmony in general. Most people all hot and bothered here by the allusion to racism have nowhere near that level of vitriol for blatant racism when it’s presented to them. I can say that confidently because plenty of people have disagreed without getting stark raving mad about it. And if it IS so harmful, wouldn’t actual black people who don’t agree with that (and there are many), actually get upset about it? But they don’t, because the only people that get mad about it are the same folks that get mad whenever race is brought up.
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You're bringing valid points that are marginalized by people like Hallman passive aggressively invoking racism when someone like Ben Johnson was fired. No program has fewer Big 10 wins than MN while Ben Johnson has been our coach (except the programs who joined this year).

It should be an insult to people that Hallman is using the shield of real atrocities to wine about a coach rightfully being canned.

As to why black people aren't offended by it? Some are. As to the other ones, I suppose some disagree with my premise and for a number of them victimhood is intoxicating. Being a victim or being bullied sure seems to be intoxicating (that's across all people). We live in a world where vapid millionaire celebrities complain about how difficult it is to be famous. We have Megan Markle and Prince Harry complaining about everything - literal royalty. For whatever reason in America, victimhood is incredibly intoxicating and addicting.

Lastly, there also does seem to be a connection in minority groups to defend people that have done awful things. I bring up Jussie Smollet and you say the only people who he did damage to are people who are already racist. That is wild. I don't feel the same kind of connection to white people who do awful things. I disavow any white person that has intentionally accused someone of something they didn't do and if they accused an African American, I do think they perpetuate racism. I would never defend them. You, on the other hand, feel some sort of connection to the man's cause and actions. You spent half your time defending, minimizing, and "yeah, butting" his actions.

So why aren't some black people offended at race hustlers, you tell me.
 


LongLiveMilesTarver said:
Clem could have retired here if he would have run a clean program (and I don't even care that some term papers were written by gangelhoff).
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This. Listening to him in interviews, he spoke with such purpose. Very inspiring and dignified. It's not surprising we all yearn for another coach like him.
 

Gilthorp57 said:
In the off season, it seemed like he went on summer vacation, whereas with PJ, you see and hear him everywhere.
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I this is an under reported reason for moving on from Ben. Ben did nothing to raise his profile and advertise the product. Nobody could pick him out of a crowd. I bet even half of potential donor pool could even name the MBB coach

Hell, I went to an athletic dept event for donors that had MBB on the agenda and Thorson came out to talk. WTF would Ben be so busy with to not show up to meet donors?
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
You're bringing valid points that are marginalized by people like Hallman passive aggressively invoking racism when someone like Ben Johnson was fired. No program has fewer Big 10 wins than MN while Ben Johnson has been our coach (except the programs who joined this year).

It should be an insult to people that Hallman is using the shield of real atrocities to wine about a coach rightfully being canned.

As to why black people aren't offended by it? Some are. As to the other ones, I suppose some disagree with my premise and for a number of them victimhood is intoxicating. Being a victim or being bullied sure seems to be intoxicating (that's across all people). We live in a world where vapid millionaire celebrities complain about how difficult it is to be famous. We have Megan Markle and Prince Harry complaining about everything - literal royalty. For whatever reason in America, victimhood is incredibly intoxicating and addicting.

Lastly, there also does seem to be a connection in minority groups to defend people that have done awful things. I bring up Jussie Smollet and you say the only people who he did damage to are people who are already racist. That is wild. I don't feel the same kind of connection to white people who do awful things. I disavow any white person that has intentionally accused someone of something they didn't do and if they accused an African American, I do think they perpetuate racism. I would never defend them. You, on the other hand, feel some sort of connection to the man's cause and actions. You spent half your time defending, minimizing, and "yeah, butting" his actions.

So why aren't some black people offended at race hustlers, you tell me.
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You were doing ok until you took a left turn. I didnt defend anything Smollett did. I spent plenty of time cracking jokes about him when that happened and never believed it in the first place. I simply stated that his lying didnt do any damage to anyone sincere about any of this. Nobody decided to stop fighting for justice because an actor lied.

And congrats on not aligning with bad white people. There’s been plenty of scholarship on the differences between black and white identity. Black people in general identify more with other black people than white people do for a number of reasons, mostly due to numbers and oppression. Thats why black people acknowledge black strangers in spaces that are mostly white. And Ill end with this: its a rare black person that will ever use a term like ‘race hustler’. As long as you believe thats even a valid or relevant thing we’ll be far apart on this topic. There are hundreds of thousands of white people that have found ways to ‘hustle race’ for every one black person who has. And to paint a guy like Charles Hallman as a race hustler shows how little you know of not only him but of how few black people ever make a dime from falsifying racism. Youre arguing about the minuscule exceptions to the universal rule. And Ill say this: my own father spent his life fighting for justice in Minneapolis. He was called all sorts of names such as ‘race hustler’ by the disingenuous who were more interested in burying racism than facing it. He passed away with little to his name but a clear conscience and a community of people who loved him. He didnt profit from fighting the good fight. Neither do 99.999% of those who do, including Charles Hallman who Ive known literally my entire life. But according to you I should be offended by him because he has an opinion you disagree with, when there are actual people in positions of power committing acts that perpetuate actual factual damaging racism day in and day out. If a black man who’s spent his life serving his community in a state thats less than 5% black thinks race may have played a factor, you may not agree, but if it pisses you off, you should probably look in the mirror.
 

LongLiveMilesTarver said:
Clem could have retired here if he would have run a clean program (and I don't even care that some term papers were written by gangelhoff).
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Stole my post. If he had either not cheated to keep players eligible or had not been caught, that court would be named after him. With the perspective of passing time, he gets more and more extraordinary. Regardless of skin color, he's the kind of coach you look for.
 



Bad Gopher said:
Stole my post. If he had either not cheated to keep players eligible or had not been caught, that court would be named after him. With the perspective of passing time, he gets more and more extraordinary. Regardless of skin color, he's the kind of coach you look for.
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I was at the Willie Burton jersey retirement game against Michigan st. Clem got a huge standing ovation and even when he was sitting in his seat it was just a procession of ex players going over to hug him. That was all the proof I needed that he was so beloved.

I will always believe he was a good man that got caught up in something bad. He'll likely be my favorite gopher coach of all time even with the passing of 50 years.
 

LongLiveMilesTarver said:
I was at the Willie Burton jersey retirement game against Michigan st. Clem got a huge standing ovation and even when he was sitting in his seat it was just a procession of ex players going over to hug him. That was all the proof I needed that he was so beloved.

I will always believe he was a good man that got caught up in something bad. He'll likely be my favorite gopher coach of all time even with the passing of 50 years.
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He knowingly cheated. I believe he got frustrated knowing what other programs were getting away with and feeling like he was fighting with one hand tied behind his back. When he lost Webber to Michigan, who was very dirty--and everyone knew they were dirty and looked the other way because the Fab Five was too good a story for anyone to rain on their parade--I feel like something snapped inside him. He went into fuck-it mode when it came to propriety.
 

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