Gopher Season Ticket Costs Going Way UP?

Wrote to Norwood stating he missed a great PR opportunity to expand season ticket base. Put more butts in the stadium and then moderately increase ticket prices. The news now will be about disgruntled season ticket people not about the increased interest in Gopher Football!

Not to mention the fact that the timing of the announcement totally overshadowed Kill winning Coach of the Year so instead of lots of positive press about that they just got negative press about the ticket increase.
 

Go to one of the Gopher Football off season events and get some face time with JK, Limey or Claeys...you will re up.
 

People arguing for this are turning it into "the money has to come from somewhere" and hinting that those complaining are "cheap".

It is an easy argument to make if you are pigeon holing others as if they are against any type of price increase at all.

The problem isn't with a price increase. The problem is with a DRAMATIC price increase. For many, it will near double their investment for the same product. For many others, it isn't a simple story of not wanting to pay more. They literally CANT pay the new rate.

Probably the last thing you should do is tell someone who has supported this team through a lot of losing football that they are cheap and "you want all the nice things but you don't want to pay for it." There is a big difference between "can't" and "won't"

If you are going to stick with that argument, at least frame it properly and suggest they should be willing to pay %100 more, not simply and misleadingly "more."

Rather than hint that current season ticket owners are cheap, perhaps question the thousands of Gopher fans that haven't bought tickets at all during the years when the price was half of what it will be in 2017. Will this new price bring them in? Will the stadium finally be filled on a regular basis now that the seat prices are going up so quickly?
 

I'll pay market value. If in 2017 it's market value, I'll consider getting season tickets again. Until then I'll buy off the street. I've had a problem paying for my season tickets in recent years too as I know I was overpaying.

I'm a consumer of Gopher football. I'll pay market value. I will not donate to the Athletic Department. I donate to causes that support sick children and rescue dogs. In principle I will not donate to a for-profit business(and yes it's for-profit).

So...you donate to Badger athletics?:p
 

I like the analogy. Also the higher prices may discourage new customers from coming in to your restaurant. The one X factor is that if you food is really really good then people may be willing to pay the higher price because they feel the value is enough to justify the cost. A middle of the road hamburger typically doesn't inspire that kind of reaction from customers, need to be an award winning burger to justify paying premium prices to get it.

+1 and +1. That was/ is my point about filling the stadium first. Not only this, having a stadium full of fans that are pro Gophers will only help the program in it's quest to get to the next level.
 


People arguing for this are turning it into "the money has to come from somewhere" and hinting that those complaining are "cheap".

It is an easy argument to make if you are pigeon holing others as if they are against any type of price increase at all.

The problem isn't with a price increase. The problem is with a DRAMATIC price increase. For many, it will near double their investment for the same product. For many others, it isn't a simple story of not wanting to pay more. They literally CANT pay the new rate.

Probably the last thing you should do is tell someone who has supported this team through a lot of losing football that they are cheap and "you want all the nice things but you don't want to pay for it." There is a big difference between "can't" and "won't"

If you are going to stick with that argument, at least frame it properly and suggest they should be willing to pay %100 more, not simply and misleadingly "more."

Rather than hint that current season ticket owners are cheap, perhaps question the thousands of Gopher fans that haven't bought tickets at all during the years when the price was half of what it will be in 2017. Will this new price bring them in? Will the stadium finally be filled on a regular basis now that the seat prices are going up so quickly?

All true, particularly the size and time frame of the increase. As for the "easy argument to make" part? It's even easier for those that don't have tickets in the first place. Which a lot of those "quit complaining" posters seem to be.

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From browsing through a couple items I haven't seen.

1. There will be 5 home conference games every other year.
2. There is a good chance that number could go to Five every year.
3. Fans have a little misconception of true price as every game was priced differently individually. Like pro teams, every games costs the same to produce.

In 2015 I will pay under $70 per game. That is zone #3 with a seat back.
In 2017 it will be $120 per game. That for big time, big 5 college football is not crazy. Part of it is tax deductible.

4. This plan could hurt scalpers as well. It will be interesting to see what discounts and single game tickets will be. Expect bundles for Wisconsin and Nebraska. The seats can be empty as long as the ticket was sold.

2015 =. TCU, MICH, WIS, NEBRASKA. Illinois
2016=. Oregon st, Colorado st, Iowa
2017 =. Maryland , Wisconsin. MSU. Nebraska. Illinois.

Tons of variables to factor in.

I disagree with the bold. It is the Mariucci problem. If your only concern is revenue today, then you are right, all that matters is do we sell the ticket. But, go watch a sellout game at the campus morgue in Mariucci. Even if all of those seats are sold, I don't feel like its a good outcome. Long term, it is going to be better for us to have a rabid and loud home environment and a fun atmosphere.
 

Love this post! After reading the article on The Daily Gopher, two things jumped out at me: 1) We were making less money on donations than Purdue!!! 2) It's a huge fallacy to compare ticket prices with stadiums that have 20-30K more seats than ours.

No its not, because you need to fill the seats for capacity to matter. Right now we aren't selling all of our seats at current prices. If we had 30k more seats in the stadium, and still charged the same prices, we would not be selling any more tickets. Furthermore, what matters with pricing decisions is whether people will still buy the product. A fan is not going to look at the price and say, "well, this would be too much for me to pay if we had a bigger stadium like Michigan did, but I think its pretty fair since TCF has a smaller capacity, so I'm going to go ahead and pay it."
 

Um... where were you looking for your tickets? I always ask the scalpers while walking up to the stadium just to see what they have and what they are selling them for. For the Iowa game this year 15 mins before kickoff 75% of the people I asked were selling for less than face value. And if you weren't OK with their prices you could have still gotten face value from the ticket office as the game wasn't sold out.

Sorry, should have specified. I was looking for seats between the 20s. If I'm sitting in the nosebleeds I just buy the tickets ahead of time from the ticket office.
 




I had seen that. It still doesn't explain what they're doing with all that network TV money, their share of bowl payouts, etc. What about all the jack they're getting from the Vikes? The U is notorious for putting revenue from sporting events into the general fund, which isn't fair to the athletic dept. Also, it's disingenious to use your baseline as pre-TCF stadium, since the U was getting royally screwed all those years we were in the dome (thanks Paul Giel & all those downtown MPLS power brokers).

Like I said in my previous post, there's no disputing that the U needs to upgrade facilities, and that funding has to come from somewhere. But be completely open on what's being done with the current revenue to help explain why this increase is necessary. As well as justifying the magnitude. I agree with others that the timing of this is somewhat tone deaf. They're squandering a lot of goodwill that this season had gained. Rolling this out the Monday after a bitter defeat is bad timing. I'm probably going to pay this. I make other donations to the U, so this is just moving money from one pot to another from my perspective, at least for the first year or two. But I can see how this will price a lot of people out of going to the games, and that's really unfortunate.

Someone else posted about how the Twins fanbase has changed. I was in a season ticket pool for the Twins in the late 80's thru about 1994. Going to game 7 of the 1991 WS is the high point of my sports attending experience. Our seats were right above the Twins dugout, and that year the regular season tix were $13/game. 3 years later they had almost tripled, and that's when I dropped out of the pool (the Twins sucking also had something to do with it). I'm in a pool at Target field now (I gag when I see how much our Legends club seats cost, but it's only 4 games/year), but it's not the same experience it was back then. Hopefully that doesn't happen with Gopher games.
 

Wrote to Norwood stating he missed a great PR opportunity to expand season ticket base. Put more butts in the stadium and then moderately increase ticket prices. The news now will be about disgruntled season ticket people not about the increased interest in Gopher Football!

Have fun being forwarded to some middle manager in the ticket office.
 

One thing I was blinded to with this news was the impact to parking as well. I've always parked in the Washington Ave ramp and tailgated with friends in Ski-U-Mah or other lots. Now my parking pass would be across the river. Frickin' awesome.
 

It's ECON 101. Ever heard how the market price of oil is set by the last barrel out of the ground? Well, given what StubHub/Craigslist/Non-Sellouts tell us, the last Gophers ticket out of the ticket office is currently worth about $10 for many games. That's what the market will bear. There won't suddenly be new demand because prices go up. While demand should rise if the team continues to improve, this is pure hope and speculation after two modestly winning seasons (this one merely one game over 500 in my opinion 5-3 in the Big Ten).

This is a fleecing of die-hards and will prove to be a disaster from an attendance standpoint. The administration's analysis might very well prove to be true (that net-net they make more money even if they were to lose half or more season ticket holders), but there's gonna be a lot of irritated people, and a lot of empty seats. Lots of 'em. Because now instead of paying $50 for a ticket the guy next to you bought for $10, you are gonna pay well over $100 for the ticket he bought for $10.
 



One thing I was blinded to with this news was the impact to parking as well. I've always parked in the Washington Ave ramp and tailgated with friends in Ski-U-Mah or other lots. Now my parking pass would be across the river. Frickin' awesome.

I haven't seen anything regarding parking yet. Linky?
 


It's here:

https://www.goldengopherfund.com/online/tickets-parking

It breaks it down by zone. All Zone 4 is either across the river or St. Paul Campus. I guess I could throw even more money their way to park in the Washington or Oak St ramps, but that would only increase the cost.

Oh, gotcha. I must have misunderstood your post. Thought you meant they had changed donation requirements for parking and such. That's my bad. As far as I can tell, there are no changes to parking donation levels or cost.
 

It's hard not to think this. How many season ticket holders can they lose and still break even on this? And is it worth embarrassing yourself with 15,000 empty seats every week?

Every time you think the U has people in charge who have a clue, they prove you wrong. Norwood is 0-2 in this area. The UNC fiasco will seem quaint by comparison. This is something you might be able to get away with after a Rose Bowl. Not after an 8-4 appearance in the Taxslayer.com Bowl.

Disagree. Not about the UNC thing...that was just stupid. But this increase won't be the folly that everyone thinks, unless the Gophers regress over the next few years. I am betting, and Norwood is betting they wont.
 

40 yrs in the desert. we may now choose to either cross the Jordan or head back into the desert.
 


I think someone's comment about the twins is pretty relevant. This will succeed it just will be a new mix of people in the stands. Lots of families and middle class out, even more corporate season ticket holders in. That may mean lower physical attendance due to corporate tickets going unused at a higher than normal percentage but sold is sold as far as the U is concerned. Highest attrition will be from fans that have the best non donation seats now that are going to be donation seats in the future.

Good news for the people like me who will drop season tickets in a few years and start picking specific games to attend is that there will be plenty available at face value or less. For those diehards that will keep their tickets at any price, god bless you, the U is counting on you. FYI i picked up tickets to the Wisconsin game this year while sitting at a table in Lincoln after our Nebraska win and was able to get 4 tickets together to the Wisconsin game at below face value on StubHub in a better section than the ones they give to the U to sell. So it's not really that hard to do.
 

I was a season ticket holder for the Twins at the dome, then went to partial at Target Field. Now I have dropped those because the owners basically cheated everyone.
At the dome, the season ticket base was small but loyal. The cost increase upon moving to Target Field basically eliminated that fan base, and it was replaced by a modern fan willing to spend more to be part of a trendy experience. The result was a crowd not really interested in the game itself, but more apt to spending a ton of money on tickets, food, beverages and socializing.
The Twins on-field success prior to the move fueled the success of this strategy, and Norwood and company right now see the same opportunity.
I'll probably renew my Gopher tickets for next year. After that I'm doubtful.
 

I think someone's comment about the twins is pretty relevant. This will succeed it just will be a new mix of people in the stands. Lots of families and middle class out, even more corporate season ticket holders in. That may mean lower physical attendance due to corporate tickets going unused at a higher than normal percentage but sold is sold as far as the U is concerned. Highest attrition will be from fans that have the best non donation seats now that are going to be donation seats in the future.

Good news for the people like me who will drop season tickets in a few years and start picking specific games to attend is that there will be plenty available at face value or less. For those diehards that will keep their tickets at any price, god bless you, the U is counting on you. FYI i picked up tickets to the Wisconsin game this year while sitting at a table in Lincoln after our Nebraska win and was able to get 4 tickets together to the Wisconsin game at below face value on StubHub in a better section than the ones they give to the U to sell. So it's not really that hard to do.

I have a Twins 20 game season Ticket, have since the contraction threat. Plenty of families still got to Twins games, I have one, and I see a lot there. They just don't sit in the lower bowl anymore. We are now all up in the 300 level, which really are not bad seats. Plus, the Twins are now using a spot market for single games, meaning the same seat will cost between 7 and 40 depending on Month, day of week, and opponent. There are opportunities for people to see a game on the cheap. On balance, over 20 games I pay slightly LESS than I would on the spot market for the same 20 games. The Wild do the same thing. You can always tell the value games--lots and lots of young kids. It does show you that people are pretty price sensitive with kids under 10.

I took my call from the Ticket Office today, made my appointment, and they called back. Spoke to a nice fellow. And, I will not complain on this board again. Not because I agree with all this, but because if anything I'm firmly convinced that they are going forward with this without any concern for my opinion, tradition, or loyalty.

1. They say they've done the studies, and there is EXCESS demand in the good seats. They say they can sell those at higher prices. The fact that there is unsold inventory for games is irrelevant--those seats are just hard to sell. People are willing to pay more to sit in my seat than I pay for it now, so I have to pay up, move, or not go. Don't challenge me, this is what I was told.

2. My loyalty back to the Metrodome days, when I couldn't give a ticket to a homeless guy who wanted to stay warm in November is of no concern of theirs going forward, because they are certain that with the direction the program is going, there is nothing but upside in the future. These changes are to make a winner, and they will win.

3. They welcome me to stay for as long as I can afford it, whether that be 2015.2016, or 2017. And they will work to get me into an area I can afford. They show that inventory will be available, as most people will prefer to stay in their place, and the lower donation seats are not now season tickets.

4. They seem aware that the makeup of the fan base will shift from what it is now, to something else.

5. Best of all, all those empty seats I see in the good sections every week are sold. The people just don't go to the game. This did not strike the caller as a problem.
 

Love this post! After reading the article on The Daily Gopher, two things jumped out at me: 1) We were making less money on donations than Purdue!!! 2) It's a huge fallacy to compare ticket prices with stadiums that have 20-30K more seats than ours.

+1. I also read that article on The Daily Gopher as well. A very well done, balanced, unemotional take and insight on the subject, imo. Link to the article is below.

http://www.thedailygopher.com/2014/12/3/7330037/minnesota-football-season-tickets-increased-donations-the-reaction
 


It's ECON 101. Ever heard how the market price of oil is set by the last barrel out of the ground? Well, given what StubHub/Craigslist/Non-Sellouts tell us, the last Gophers ticket out of the ticket office is currently worth about $10 for many games. That's what the market will bear. There won't suddenly be new demand because prices go up. While demand should rise if the team continues to improve, this is pure hope and speculation after two modestly winning seasons (this one merely one game over 500 in my opinion 5-3 in the Big Ten).


This is a fleecing of die-hards and will prove to be a disaster from an attendance standpoint. The administration's analysis might very well prove to be true (that net-net they make more money even if they were to lose half or more season ticket holders), but there's gonna be a lot of irritated people, and a lot of empty seats. Lots of 'em. Because now instead of paying $50 for a ticket the guy next to you bought for $10, you are gonna pay well over $100 for the ticket he bought for $10.

Econ isn't my strength, but math 101 says one game over 500 is 4-3. 5-3 is two games over 500. I also didn't know mathematical results could be subject to opinion.
 

1. They say they've done the studies, and there is EXCESS demand in the good seats. They say they can sell those at higher prices.

I appreciate your summary of your conversation. I think the part I quoted above proved to be true when they re-seated Williams Arena. I expected that, with my priority level, all the best lower donation and no donation seats would be gone first and, while the no donation seats filled fast, it was the highest donation level seats that filled quickest. People wanted the best seats and were willing to pay for them.

As an aside, I am fortunate that the seats I like best, for both basketball and football, are not among those that the masses seem to crave and I have been able to sit in what I feel are great seats while not having to donate at the highest levels.
 

Econ isn't my strength, but math 101 says one game over 500 is 4-3. 5-3 is two games over 500. I also didn't know mathematical results could be subject to opinion.

Darn. You sure showed me there. I mean, like, really...
 

One thing I was blinded to with this news was the impact to parking as well. I've always parked in the Washington Ave ramp and tailgated with friends in Ski-U-Mah or other lots. Now my parking pass would be across the river. Frickin' awesome.

Crap. I may not even renew next year now. I have been parking in the Oak Street ramp since the stadium has opened. Looks like they prefer to make that game day parking and send the people in zone 4 a mile away. :mad:
 

So the phone call answers to St. Paul Guy basically confirm it: the Gophers believe there is a set of buyers who will pay more for 'good' seats than the current STH's but who, for some reason, don't currently bid them up in value on StubHub or Craigslist or among the scalpers.

Hmm... what type of buyer could it be that would pay top dollar for good season tickets, but can't be bothered to pay a similar price for individual games? Hmmm? Let's see... Wait! I got it! Corporations!

In a fairly large metro like this, that is probably enough support to prove their claim that this plan will 'work' (at least in terms of increase revenue).

I'm not anti-corporate, but quite frankly, it likely means the games become something I'm not particularly interested in anymore. Just like games at Mariucci and even the Barn have become.

The positive side of that is it probably DOES mean you will be able to continue to pick up cheap seats on StubHub and CL. So hypothesis basically confirmed: this totally jobs the continuing private STH.
 

There is a total lack of respect and concern for the most loyal Gopher fans, those who have stuck with a bad product for decades. Norwood is driving out middle class people, families with children being brought to games to become future Gopher fans. He is killing his fan base (in a small stadium rarely sold out) to skim profits from corporate ticket buys. The man is a scoundrel! Contact all regents, media, Kaler.
 




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