Former Gophers QB Phillip Nelson arrested in his hometown of Mankato for assault

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kisarazu said:
Drunk driving and repeatedly beating an unconscious defenseless man are neither as cognitively nor emotionally similar as you want them to be.
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It all happened in a split second as fights are wont to do. It was two drunk football players in a bar fight happens all the time this one happened to go horribly wrong.
 

Indi1006 said:
It all happened in a split second as fights are wont to do. It was two drunk football players in a bar fight happens all the time this one happened to go horribly wrong.
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Oh, you were there?
 

matt said:
Oh, you were there?
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Yes I was there a ton of times in the past. Two guys talking tough fueled by alcohol and then things escalate and there never are any winners; only losers.
 

How is Nelson drinking in bars in Mankato? Even if he had a fake ID, you'd think he'd be very recognizable in his hometown. Unless he was drinking elsewhere and made his way to the bar area at close, some bar owner is going to find themselves in a heap of trouble too.
 

Indi1006 said:
Phil is a good kid. Let's not trip over each other trying to vilify him something along these lines could happen to any of our kids'. Let's just hope for the best for everyone involved.
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I'm not sure what world you live in where kicking someone in the head while they are down and nearly killing someone is a regular thing.

Anyone of our kids could plot to blow up the school but that doesn't mean it is no big deal.
 


afurry91 said:
Well I am not a lawyer by any means, but I would hope that is taken more into account in cases like date rape and not potential first degree murder charges.
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So it is okay to rape a woman if you are drunk but not sober? No wonder 20% of the women who attend U.S. colleges get raped before they graduate…guys couldn't help it because they had too much to drink…maybe they should think about this before they drink too much.
 

Indi1006 said:
Phil is a good kid. Let's not trip over each other trying to vilify him something along these lines could happen to any of our kids'. Let's just hope for the best for everyone involved.
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On what planet is he a good kid? If any of this is even a little bit true….he belongs in prison. He has had a great life full of good luck…the first time I thought he was an ungrateful guy was when he decided to transfer after getting all that playing time, but this is over the top. No excuses…even if he is underage…in every other country in the world, people can drink at 20 (except the Middle East) and are considered responsible enough to do so….drunk, sober, 20, 13 or age 55…only an extremely sick person would do what he is being accused of doing…not a "good kid"…and my kids WOULD NOT do anything like this because I raised them not to...
 


Indi1006 said:
No but odds are they have driven drunk a time or two an/or done a lot of things that could have gone horribly wrong. Holier than thou attitudes have no place here it's a bad deal for all the involved parties.
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1. Odds are most 20-year olds have not driven drunk a time or two.
2. It's not holier-than-thou to express outrage over an incident of this magnitude.
3. It didn't "happen" to Nelson. He caused it to happen.
 



Indi1006 said:
No but odds are they have driven drunk a time or two an/or done a lot of things that could have gone horribly wrong. Holier than thou attitudes have no place here it's a bad deal for all the involved parties.
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He is being accused of kicking someone in the head while they are on the ground unconscious. Something going horribly wrong is if you push someone out of the way and they fall and hit their head.

If it's proven he kicked the guy while he was already down - he deserves whatever he gets and no sympathy.
 

Maybe not throw the baby out with the bath water until the final results are in. Some of you guys love being judge, jury, and hangman.
 







Dr.Don said:
Right on, 19. More players in this soap opera will come up.
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Question: If a kid has a fake ID (and there are a lot of good ones out there), does that get the bar off the hook for serving them?
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
How is Nelson drinking in bars in Mankato? Even if he had a fake ID, you'd think he'd be very recognizable in his hometown. Unless he was drinking elsewhere and made his way to the bar area at close, some bar owner is going to find themselves in a heap of trouble too.
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Risky on the part of the bar but wouldn't be the first time a bar has shown preferential treatment to athletes and someone who is probably a bit of a local celebrity in that area. Bars on campus serve to athletes all the time and I guarantee they know in many of those cases that the kid isn't 21. I am sure Phil knew where to go where he would get served and wouldn't get busted for it.
 

CoMn said:
On what planet is he a good kid? If any of this is even a little bit true….he belongs in prison. He has had a great life full of good luck…the first time I thought he was an ungrateful guy was when he decided to transfer after getting all that playing time, but this is over the top. No excuses…even if he is underage…in every other country in the world, people can drink at 20 (except the Middle East) and are considered responsible enough to do so….drunk, sober, 20, 13 or age 55…only an extremely sick person would do what he is being accused of doing…not a "good kid"…and my kids WOULD NOT do anything like this because I raised them not to...
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He's not sick, he made a big mistake and he'll have to live with that. There are also always two sides to every story. You're a moron if you think your kids don't have the capacity to make some sort of mistake along these lines. I'm sick about this situation for the involved parties, all of them, but the holier than thou on here is also sickening.
 

e.bigelow said:
Below is a link a direct link to isaac kolstad's caring bridge website. Sorry if already posted.

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/isaackolstad
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WOW,

Isaac suffered a severe head injury early this morning. He is currently in Critical condition and fighting for his life. He is young and strong, but the battle he has in front of him is enormous. He had one surgery today to put a pressure gauge in his skull. He may need additional surgeries in the coming days. We do know that his brain did sustain permanent damage. We do not yet know to what extent and won't for many days. He is very sick. Please pray for Isaac and all of those involved.
The Kolstad's
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Indi1006 said:
He's not sick, he made a big mistake and he'll have to live with that. There are also always two sides to every story. You're a moron if you think your kids don't have the capacity to make some sort of mistake along these lines. I'm sick about this situation for the involved parties, all of them, but the holier than thou on here is also sickening.
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There is a huge difference between making a mistake and almost killing/permanently disabling someone.
 

e.bigelow said:
Below is a link a direct link to isaac kolstad's caring bridge website. Sorry if already posted.

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/isaackolstad
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Really unfortunate to read there is going to be permanent brain damage as a result of his injuries. Nelson's role in this aside you never want to see this happen to someone, especially when you factor in the fact that he has a wife and kids.
 

Here is what we know as far as I can tell:

A sickening event occurred, leaving on person critically injured.

Responding police were sufficiently convinced of Nelson' involvement to arrest him.

There was a third person involved.

We don't what happened before the incident, the role of the third person, the severity of the injuries, and a host of other things.

A judge and likely a jury will be heavily involved. I cannot imagine there will be a happy ending to this horrible event for anyone. But justice will both take time and perspective to determine what really happened and assign accountability. At this time there are far more questions than answers. I do not mean this as a defense of anyone. We just have to wait.
 

This is a really unfortunate thread to read this morning... One the story is terrible and two, some of the "contributions" by members of this forum are equally terrible.

I cannot think of one reason not to be disgusted with Phillip Nelson. The "wait for the facts" contingent is forgetting that the facts that have been delivered to this point, are reason enough to express the anger we are seeing in this thread. Sure the "facts" may possibly point to provocation and other additives to an already tragic tale of events, but we already know the end result, which can only get worse with waiting. At best, Issac can make a full recovery, which seems grim at this point, but even with a full recovery this is a terrible situation.

To those that want to say this was just a normal event that could happen to anyone. You're absolutely correct, and I would be mad at every one of you that it happened to as well. If it happened to me, I'd hate myself even more.

Sad that we've heard this story before. One of my best buddies got in a bar fight in college, lost, fist hit face, face hit concrete, foot hit face. Spent 2 weeks in the hospital. He came out fine, luckily. He's and idiot, he knows he's an idiot. Unfortunately we don't know who the other idiots were, and he doesn't remember the story to tell it either.
 


Indi1006 said:
He's not sick, he made a big mistake and he'll have to live with that. There are also always two sides to every story. You're a moron if you think your kids don't have the capacity to make some sort of mistake along these lines. I'm sick about this situation for the involved parties, all of them, but the holier than thou on here is also sickening.
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If stating "I would never ever ever get into a bar fight and kick someone in the head causing permanent brain damage" is "holier than thou", then guilty as charged.
 

Terrible situation. I do find the moralizing silly. Most people are capable of horrible acts if they're in a particular situation. I tell my kids that most 'mistakes' occur after a series of smaller mistakes. Its how seemingly loving husbands cheat on their wives as they made a bunch of small poor choices. Flirting, allowing yourself to be in a position to mess up, etc. Going to a bar with immature friends, drinking excessively and allowing yourself to get into a public argument are all poor choices. Its not hard to see how someone who may be inebriated could snap and kick a man while he's down. I've seen it happen. Lets not try to put ourselves on a pedestal above Nelson. Rather I pray that the other kid makes a full recovery and that maybe someone sees this story and walks away from the next fight.
 

I am shocked and not shocked. I am glad there were witnesses and I hope they had a good enough view to clearly point out without a doubt who did this. If it is proven that Nelson kicked the unconscious victim in the head, I am sorry, these are very serious accusations, and serious jail time should result.
 

oleboy41 said:
Terrible situation. I do find the moralizing silly. Most people are capable of horrible acts if they're in a particular situation. I tell my kids that most 'mistakes' occur after a series of smaller mistakes. Its how seemingly loving husbands cheat on their wives as they made a bunch of small poor choices. Flirting, allowing yourself to be in a position to mess up, etc. Going to a bar with immature friends, drinking excessively and allowing yourself to get into a public argument are all poor choices. Its not hard to see how someone who may be inebriated could snap and kick a man while he's down. I've seen it happen. Lets not try to put ourselves on a pedestal above Nelson. Rather I pray that the other kid makes a full recovery and that maybe someone sees this story and walks away from the next fight.
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I would guess that several people would disagree with you in the next few minutes.
 

Dean S said:
I am shocked and not shocked. I am glad there were witnesses and I hope they had a good enough view to clearly point out without a doubt who did this. If it is proven that Nelson kicked the unconscious victim in the head, I am sorry, these are very serious accusations, and serious jail time should result.
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If you listen to the Police Radio Broadcast, there were 3 people that pointed to Nelson as the one that kicked him in the head (twice) after he was on the ground.
 

Former Goofer said:
There is a huge difference between making a mistake and almost killing/permanently disabling someone.
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He did make a mistake, but there are varying degrees of mistakes, and his was one of the worst somebody could have made in that situation. I'm not condoning his actions or taking his side, so I hope nobody spins my post as such. He's not the victim, and should be punished according to the law. I guess my point is that sometimes good kids can make mistakes that can affect people's lives in terrible ways.

I'm interested in who the other person involved is (reportedly the first person to strike Isaac). Judging by some of the posts here this person can be charged with the same or similar crime as Phil, considering both attacks contributed to Isaac's injuries.
 

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