For those inclined to fret about Gophers' chances on Selection Sunday?

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It is easy to understand how and why moses87 was awarded Most Popular in his high school class.
 

Moses87 said:
That was some good research, but you failed to find another team that finished 5-11...or are you still looking? By the way, regarding the criteria...The committee can always break out the old "eye test" and expel a team with a solid SOS and RPI. They've done so in year's past when they wanna reward a mid-major for winning their regular season championship.

The fact that Akron won and Iowa lost last night makes the Gophers less vulnerable. I won't be surprised to see them get in now but I think many here will be surprised to see how low of seed they get. Might even be a 12 with a play in. Could be a 12, non play-in.

In my opinion, Iowa got robbed last night by the refs and they deserve a bid over the Gophers, especially seeing how they crushed us by 20-something just 3 weeks ago.
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Go cheer for Iowa then. Iowa's best win was against wisky, after that they didnt beat any other top team in conference. Iowa's body of work puts them behind the gophers easily!

How many teams with 20 wins, the gophers SOS and rpi didn't get in Moses?
 

Moses87 said:
That was some good research, but you failed to find another team that finished 5-11...or are you still looking? By the way, regarding the criteria...The committee can always break out the old "eye test" and expel a team with a solid SOS and RPI. They've done so in year's past when they wanna reward a mid-major for winning their regular season championship.

The fact that Akron won and Iowa lost last night makes the Gophers less vulnerable. I won't be surprised to see them get in now but I think many here will be surprised to see how low of seed they get. Might even be a 12 with a play in. Could be a 12, non play-in.

In my opinion, Iowa got robbed last night by the refs and they deserve a bid over the Gophers, especially seeing how they crushed us by 20-something just 3 weeks ago.
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So you're rooting for the Gophers not to make the NCAA tournament right? You're also smarter than Selection Sunday, Jerry Palm and Joe Lunardi when it comes to bracket knowledge right?
 

Dr.Don said:
tinyarch, what I said about moses shutting his pie hole also applies to you. Either that or join On and On Anon.
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I finally figured out they are just trolls. You have to just ignore them...they aren't Gopher fans, they are just trying to get a rise out of everyone by being idiots. They are just able to disguise it well because so many Gopher fans are so negative.
 

Moses87 said:
That was some good research, but you failed to find another team that finished 5-11...or are you still looking? By the way, regarding the criteria...The committee can always break out the old "eye test" and expel a team with a solid SOS and RPI. They've done so in year's past when they wanna reward a mid-major for winning their regular season championship.

The fact that Akron won and Iowa lost last night makes the Gophers less vulnerable. I won't be surprised to see them get in now but I think many here will be surprised to see how low of seed they get. Might even be a 12 with a play in. Could be a 12, non play-in.

In my opinion, Iowa got robbed last night by the refs and they deserve a bid over the Gophers, especially seeing how they crushed us by 20-something just 3 weeks ago.
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I found a team that was in every way much worse than this years Gopher team aside from the fact that they won one less game in their last 16. If you want to be trivial, then by all means, stick to your guns and ignore the rest. If you truly can't look at the argument that I've made with the 02-03 Alabama team and see how it is relevant to what you've said then there is no helping you.

The selection committee uses your so highly valued "eye-test" on teams that are on the bubble, which is something that we are not. We are a lock, clearly in the tournament, end of discussion. What seed I do not know and am not going to speculate since it has no bearing on the point I have made.

We've all heard your opinion on thinking Iowa is a better team than the Gophers and we know full well how you feel about the Gophers chances to make the tournament. The fact remains that not only do the vast majority of posters on this message board disagree with you, but the people who actually make the decisions and know how the process works disagree with you as well. Lucky for the rest of us.
 


tinyarch said:
I hope you're right. But, like a true Minnesotan, I'd rather fear the worst and be pleasantly surprised if the worst doesn't happen. Until tomorrow evenings selection show I guess I'll stave off disappointment by expecting the NIT and giving a sigh of relief if we get invited to the NCAA tourney. I don't have the confidence that others have in the selection committee picking a 9th placed team for the dance.
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Quit acting like you are a Minnesotan or a Minnesota fan. Go back to your own teams board and post there and quit bugging us. Anyone who says we were in 9th place when we tied for 7th is obviously a troll. Go back to Cedar Rapids or Stevens Point or where ever you are from.
 

The Gophers were 3-5 against top 25 RPI teams while Iowa was 0-6. If Wisconsin cracks the top 25 the records would be 4-6 and 1-7. The teams on the bubble aren't close to that. We have 12 top 100 RPI wins....no one on the bubble compares to that!!! Iowa has 6 top 100 wins. I can't even believe i'm wasting my time responding to these trolls.
 


Moses87 said:
That was some good research, but you failed to find another team that finished 5-11...or are you still looking? By the way, regarding the criteria...The committee can always break out the old "eye test" and expel a team with a solid SOS and RPI. They've done so in year's past when they wanna reward a mid-major for winning their regular season championship.

The fact that Akron won and Iowa lost last night makes the Gophers less vulnerable. I won't be surprised to see them get in now but I think many here will be surprised to see how low of seed they get. Might even be a 12 with a play in. Could be a 12, non play-in.

In my opinion, Iowa got robbed last night by the refs and they deserve a bid over the Gophers, especially seeing how they crushed us by 20-something just 3 weeks ago.
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You haven't done any research yet claim it as a fact that no one has ever made it going 5-11 to end the season. I will ask you again: Of the teams that have finished the season going 5-11, have any of them had six wins over tournament teams, including five over top 50 teams? If not, then there hasn't been a team going 5-11 yet with such good wins over the course of the season, meaning what has happened in the past is irrelevant. Plus you fail to understand that every year is different (among other things). In some years, you very well may be right that the Gophers don't get in because the bubble teams are better.
 



@SethDavisHoops: Two things u shd know: a conf tourney game is not worth more than a reg season game. And record in last 10 or 12 games is meaningless.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Once again you know more about how standings work than the Big Ten themselves: http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/m-baskbl-standings.html
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Anyone who would continue to say we finished in 9th place is just trying to get a rise out of people. They are either trolls or guys who act like they are fans but truly get more satisfaction when we lose. Seven pages of arguing with these guys when they are so easily schooled by statistics...it's obviously a game for these guys to try get Gopher fans worked up.
 

scher215 said:
@SethDavisHoops: Two things u shd know: a conf tourney game is not worth more than a reg season game. And record in last 10 or 12 games is meaningless.
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But what about the last 16 games?? Remember, we're 5-11!
 

ethomas, you are right on. The best way to ban moses87 and tinycrotch is just ignore them and make no replies to their nonsense. They are typical examples of some of my patients' problems.
 



Dr.Don said:
ethomas, you are right on. The best way to ban moses87 and tinycrotch is just ignore them and make no replies to their nonsense. They are typical examples of some of my patients' problems.
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Maybe this ends the thread controversy.

The NCAA has released the Rating Percentage Index Data and in-depth team info known within college circles as nitty gritty reports. The reports include data on strength of schedule, performance against top 50 teams , conference and non conference performance, and road and home records, in an effort to give fans greater transparency. This data is posted on NCAA.ORG under the rating percentage index tab. Based on this criteria Minnesota's 5-11 record of late should not be a problem.
 

Which one of you dip*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#s is Alex Thunstrom? Someone is arguing with Doogie about "deserving to be in the tournament". Doogie on the right side of this one.
 

But on the other hand, while there is no criteria for an eye ball test or a measure of the last 10 games played test, a member of the selection committee could let that knowledge abut a team affect his selection. As one of the members of the selection committee is Mich. St's athletic director the 5-11 finish may not go unnoticed.
 

macgopher said:
But on the other hand, while there is no criteria for an eye ball test or a measure of the last 10 games played test, a member of the selection committee could let that knowledge abut a team affect his selection. As one of the members of the selection committee is Mich. St's athletic director the 5-11 finish may not go unnoticed.
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Give it a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing rest.
 

Dr.Don said:
Give it a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing rest.
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Is this Russian, Mongolia, Klingon? My computer has a language translator but I may have to 'over clock' its speed to decipher this.
 

That 2002-03 Alabama team was ranked #1 earlier in the season and when they dropped to 7-9 in conference a lot of people believed they were out of the tournament. There was no debate that they were on the bubble that year.

Also, in 28 games they were 8-7 against the top 64 RPI... Gophers are 6-8 against the top 75.. 2 worst losses for Bama averaged ~103 RPI.. for Gophers, it's 150+.

The biggest difference in views some people have appears to relate to the "what have you done lately" discussion. Most are saying, "body of work, everything is all equal, you don't look at some games different than the other"... the minority, including me, might say that trends can be and are considered. The goal of the committee is to include the best teams and they do not have strict criteria.

The committee should be considering whether Minnesota is as good today as their profile says. When they look at Kentucky they'll punish them for Noel being out. Sure, games he played in were in the team's body of work, but he's not available.

Are there some players the committee doesn't believe are at full strength? If so, the committee can take that into account - again, is this the same team that we see on the sheet of paper / that we see when we look at the body of work, or are there other considerations that need to be made?

Is Minnesota as good today as their computer profile suggests? If the committee decides that they are not - whether it's because of the significant downward trend that's taken place, or because of Williams' numbers in most games since returning from injury, or anything else - that could hurt the Gophers.

That said, the Indiana win is potentially a huuuge help.

Am I reading this right: a lot of folks posting in this thread believe (1) the committee wouldn't discuss Minnesota's trouble winning in conference play - they'd only discuss their wins/losses in context of the entire season without any look to trends, and (2) you'd be shocked beyond all belief if Minnesota is a last four in team or excluded?
 

Gopher Warrior said:
That 2002-03 Alabama team was ranked #1 earlier in the season and when they dropped to 7-9 in conference a lot of people believed they were out of the tournament. There was no debate that they were on the bubble that year.

Also, in 28 games they were 8-7 against the top 64 RPI... Gophers are 6-8 against the top 75.. 2 worst losses for Bama averaged ~103 RPI.. for Gophers, it's 150+.

The biggest difference in views some people have appears to relate to the "what have you done lately" discussion. Most are saying, "body of work, everything is all equal, you don't look at some games different than the other"... the minority, including me, might say that trends can be and are considered. The goal of the committee is to include the best teams and they do not have strict criteria.

The committee should be considering whether Minnesota is as good today as their profile says. When they look at Kentucky they'll punish them for Noel being out. Sure, games he played in were in the team's body of work, but he's not available.

Are there some players the committee doesn't believe are at full strength? If so, the committee can take that into account - again, is this the same team that we see on the sheet of paper / that we see when we look at the body of work, or are there other considerations that need to be made?

Is Minnesota as good today as their computer profile suggests? If the committee decides that they are not - whether it's because of the significant downward trend that's taken place, or because of Williams' numbers in most games since returning from injury, or anything else - that could hurt the Gophers.

That said, the Indiana win is potentially a huuuge help.

Am I reading this right: a lot of folks posting in this thread believe (1) the committee wouldn't discuss Minnesota's trouble winning in conference play - they'd only discuss their wins/losses in context of the entire season without any look to trends, and (2) you'd be shocked beyond all belief if Minnesota is a last four in team or excluded?
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I can respect this post it was well thought out and it wasn't intended to piss ppl off. Well written
 

ethomasp31 said:
The Gophers were 3-5 against top 25 RPI teams while Iowa was 0-6. If Wisconsin cracks the top 25 the records would be 4-6 and 1-7. The teams on the bubble aren't close to that. We have 12 top 100 RPI wins....no one on the bubble compares to that!!! Iowa has 6 top 100 wins. I can't even believe i'm wasting my time responding to these trolls.
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Don't waste time on them. I've never seen a fan base root so hard to be left out of the NCAA tournament. The team deserves to make it. These fans don't.
 

Moses: The last team to make the NCAA tournament winning 5 of their last 16 is the Gophers. Tomorrow.

Jovs: We make a bracket a suicide bracket. We are going to be one of the scariest 10/11/12 because we can beat anybody. None of us knows which team will make an appearance.

GW: Yes, I'd be shocked if we are considered one of the last 4 in or excluded.

I'm really hoping we get an 11 seed - I think it best sets us up for a Sweet 16 run. With an upset of the 2 seed, we could have a great path to the Elite 8. I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but I'll hope for the best. Even if we get a different seed, I'm convinced this team can play with and beat anybody in a one and done scenario. Do I think we will string together enough solid performances to make a deep run? No, but I sure hope we do. What would disappoint me? If we come out flat in the first game and get the snot beat out of us.

Further, the lesser teams in the Big 10 really improved throughout the year. The last two games were disappointing losses, but those weren't pushover teams, particularly on the road.
 

ethomasp31 said:
Quit acting like you are a Minnesotan or a Minnesota fan. Go back to your own teams board and post there and quit bugging us. Anyone who says we were in 9th place when we tied for 7th is obviously a troll. Go back to Cedar Rapids or Stevens Point or where ever you are from.
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You do realize that you only have 182 posts, don't you? I suspect you're trolling a lot more than I am. By the way, how do you enjoy being a part of the GH Gestapo? Thankfully, we still live in the U.S.A. where the 1st Amendment is valued. However, if you wish to support the ending of free speech, I have a great location for you to move to...It's called North Korea. I'm sure you and Dennis Rodman will be great friends with Kim Jong-un.

Now, feel free to speak your opinion about the Gophers and how sure you feel that they are a lock for a selection in the NCAA tournament. I don't agree with you that they are a lock. If they get in, great. If not, it isn't the selection committee's fault.
 

Dr.Don said:
ethomas, you are right on. The best way to ban moses87 and tinycrotch is just ignore them and make no replies to their nonsense. They are typical examples of some of my patients' problems.
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Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Donny boy. I'm sure it's great with the vodka you add.
 

I'm not a bracketologist. I suspect the Gophs will make the NCAA as a 10-11-12 type of seed.

But, here's the deal: I understand what the numbers-crunchers are saying about SOS, RPI and the rest of the alphabet soup.

But, when I watch the Gophs play over the last month, my gut tells me this is not a tournament team. If they make the tourney, and get eliminated in the 1st round, does that do the program any good?

If you could guarantee a 1st-round victory, then I would be more excited about the tournament. However, I'm afraid we could be looking at a 1st-round loss, followed by more hand-wringing and more unanswered questions about the direction and the future of this program.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
That 2002-03 Alabama team was ranked #1 earlier in the season and when they dropped to 7-9 in conference a lot of people believed they were out of the tournament. There was no debate that they were on the bubble that year.

Also, in 28 games they were 8-7 against the top 64 RPI... Gophers are 6-8 against the top 75.. 2 worst losses for Bama averaged ~103 RPI.. for Gophers, it's 150+.

The biggest difference in views some people have appears to relate to the "what have you done lately" discussion. Most are saying, "body of work, everything is all equal, you don't look at some games different than the other"... the minority, including me, might say that trends can be and are considered. The goal of the committee is to include the best teams and they do not have strict criteria.

The committee should be considering whether Minnesota is as good today as their profile says. When they look at Kentucky they'll punish them for Noel being out. Sure, games he played in were in the team's body of work, but he's not available.

Are there some players the committee doesn't believe are at full strength? If so, the committee can take that into account - again, is this the same team that we see on the sheet of paper / that we see when we look at the body of work, or are there other considerations that need to be made?

Is Minnesota as good today as their computer profile suggests? If the committee decides that they are not - whether it's because of the significant downward trend that's taken place, or because of Williams' numbers in most games since returning from injury, or anything else - that could hurt the Gophers.

That said, the Indiana win is potentially a huuuge help.

Am I reading this right: a lot of folks posting in this thread believe (1) the committee wouldn't discuss Minnesota's trouble winning in conference play - they'd only discuss their wins/losses in context of the entire season without any look to trends, and (2) you'd be shocked beyond all belief if Minnesota is a last four in team or excluded?
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I would be shocked. In fact, feel free to make a "charity bet" with me. You pick the amount. I'll pay out two to one to a charity of your choice if Gophers are playing Tuesday or in the NIT. You can pay one to two to a charity of my choice if they make it in clean.

By the way, I'm happy to offer same bet, same odds to any poster on this board.
 

Moses and Tiny, here's the deal. I defend your right to speak your minds, no question. You think a coaching change is necessary at all costs and I think we all know where you're "coming from"

But it's like going to a student made movie in progress called "Gophers in Search of Consistency;" you have the right to walk out if you want but let us who want to watch the conclusion remain positive. We understand it's a student made movie with lots of bad acting and a poorly written plot turns, but we're sufficiently invested that we still hope for a strong ending.
 

BOUNDOUTPASSDUNK said:
Moses and Tiny, here's the deal. I defend your right to speak your minds, no question. You think a coaching change is necessary at all costs and I think we all know where you're "coming from"

But it's like going to a student made movie in progress called "Gophers in Search of Consistency;" you have the right to walk out if you want but let us who want to watch the conclusion remain positive. We understand it's a student made movie with lots of bad acting and a poorly written plot turns, but we're sufficiently invested that we still hope for a strong ending.
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I don't disagree with you. It would be wonderful to get into the NCAA tourney and make a run to the National Championship. My point is only that I also wouldn't be shocked if the committee doesn't call off our name during the selection show. If we had been consistently solid as a team (as some of you think we have been) then I wouldn't be concerned. However, we have lead the conference in turnovers and we ended up placed 9th in our own tournament. These are not good things. We made that bed and either that is good enough to get us in or not. I won't cry foul if the committee says "Not good enough." That is all I've stated from the beginning. The problem has been that very few on the board want to hear that "the emperor has no clothes."
 

Gophers are FLAWed, no doubt. The turnovers and offensive passivity and indecision (hot potato ball - you shoot it, no you shoot it) are particularly exasperating to watch. It would be fitting to watch the selection show and wait 3/4 through the show for the final bracket to be announced, lower half and finally see the Gophers announced, as punishment for how disappointing they've been. Then Gophers, go out and prove you belong, or April changes will be in the winds.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
The goal of the committee is to include the best teams and they do not have strict criteria.
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Sincere question: Is that the goal? Or is it to include the teams who have done the most? I suppose you could make an argument that one leads to another (i.e. the best teams have done the most), but I've always wondered... If they really were trying to pick the best teams, wouldn't they include Iowa? I mean, I don't know that you could have a very good argument indicating that Iowa isn't better than, say... Southern Miss? Or some team like that.

I mean, obviously it's not the best 68 teams in the country due to the auto-bids. But I don't think they're picking the best teams; I think they're picking the teams who've done the most. Often they're the same, but certainly not always.

Anyway, I enjoyed your devil's advocate post. Well thought out and didn't just put your head in the sand with regard to our resume like some other people have with a similar argument/point.
 

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