For those inclined to fret about Gophers' chances on Selection Sunday?

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minny01 said:
Didn't it use to be one of the criteria that they used? I seem to remember that as of a few years ago, that how a team finished the season, their last 10 games, was taken into consideration.
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There may have been a time when last ten games mattered, but it has been clearly stated literally a million times here and by the bracketologists and by the committee that it is NOT part of the criteria.
 

Moses87 said:
On a game by game basis, I still want the Gophers to win....but I know we are better off in the long haul by losing as much as possible now to ensure Tubby's ouster.

I tried tell you guys he was a terrible coach 2 years ago and I got banned...Now everybody agrees with me. I tried to spare us these last 2 seasons of ugly basketball and frustrations.

As a Doctor with a PhD, Don should know I was just trying to help Gopher fans stave off hypertension and heart attacks.
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So if we had listened, none of this would have happened? You also predicted we had 0 shot at beating Wisconsin and Indiana this year. How did that go? If you make enough predictions, you're bound to be right once in awhile.

The thing is, I don't remember too many people saying Tubby was going to bring us to the promise land or that he was the greatest thing since sliced cheese. It was the same way about Brewster. Some said he was going to fail miserably, others thought he had a chance to do good things. Not too many people were saying he was going to take us to the Rose Bowl. Just because someone didn't think either one was definitely going to be a failure, doesn't mean that they were wrong either once they do fail.
 

WilliamsArenaGuy said:
There may have been a time when last ten games mattered, but it has been clearly stated literally a million times here and by the bracketologists and by the committee that it is NOT part of the criteria.
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Find me a team that has finished 5-11 and made the Tourney as an At-Large bid and I'll shutup.
 

Moses87 said:
If Akron loses and IF Vandy wins the SEC, the committee are going to have to re-look at the at-large bids. Bobinski just said on CBS that RPI is nothing more than a guide.

Historically, there have been dozens of teams in the 30's RPI who get snubbed. It will no longer be a big deal if we get snubbed.

One thing I do know...NOBODY has ever receieved an At-Large bid playing as bas as the Gophers are now. NOBODY! 5-11 baby!

If the committee wants to set a precedence by taking a 5-11 at large team, I will be shocked.
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Since I'm assuming you did the research to find this out, can you also look at these same teams that finished 5-11 and find out if any had beaten six tournament teams including 11 in the top 100?
 

Moses87 said:
Find me a team that has finished 5-11 and made the Tourney as an At-Large bid and I'll shutup.
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So when the gophers are selected tomorrow you will shut up? I doubt it.
 



Moses87 said:
Find me a team that has finished 5-11 and made the Tourney as an At-Large bid and I'll shutup.
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I can't find a team that went 5-11, thankfully the the gophers went 8-10 in conference play so your argument is like you, really stupid!
 

tonestang said:
What I don't understand is how all of the experts have the gophers nowhere near the bubble, not even on there last four in, and yet some people continue to discredit these people and say they are wrong even though it is those people's jobs to know and understand these things
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Same type of person who ignored all of the polls last November and were certain Romney was going to win - in a landslide. Some people you just can't reach.
 

Moses87 said:
Find me a team that has finished 5-11 and made the Tourney as an At-Large bid and I'll shutup.
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You're just totally missing the point. That's not a criteria. How you finish the season has been removed as a criteria used by the committee.

People are trying to have legitimate talks about the tourney- what seed we'll get, etc, and you just keep coming in and derailing the conversation. It's been multiple threads. Can you limit your obviously passionate stance to say, one or two threads, so the rest of us don't have to keep literally telling you the same factual thing repeatedly? I'm finding it very frustrating. We get it, you don't think we'll be in.

The most annoying part is that if we get in, you're just going to talk about "not deserving it" or you'll cop and say "Oh, I'm surprised, but I am a Gopher fan, so yay!"
 



With all the 1000's of Gopherholers home-schooled by Sid Hartman, I don't blame you guys for being ignorant when it comes to how the Gophers are perceived. Amelia tried to show some diverse opinions today and that was nice. Gus Johnson agrees with me. I'm not totally on an Island in thinking a team that finishes 5-11 is no shoo-in.
 

GopherDieHardDyingHard said:
No, and that's my point...we have a biased "Eye Test" when it comes to the Gophers...I'm sure fans of all the other bubble teams have their own impression of their teams, warts and all, as well.
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Of course this is true. So you'd think the selection committee would use some hard data to make their decisions. Wins vs. top 25, top 50, top 100, for example. Maybe strength of schedule, road wins, etc.

Oh, wait ... they do.
 

Moses, you just don't seem to get the hint that people are sick and tired of your babble, several have even politely asked you to shut your pie hole. So I will say it in a way that even you can understand:


MOSES, SHUT UP!!!
 

Moses87 said:
With all the 1000's of Gopherholers home-schooled by Sid Hartman, I don't blame you guys for being ignorant when it comes to how the Gophers are perceived. Amelia tried to show some diverse opinions today and that was nice. Gus Johnson agrees with me. I'm not totally on an Island in thinking a team that finishes 5-11 is no shoo-in.
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Moses if you're wrong will you stop posting?
 



Moses87 said:
With all the 1000's of Gopherholers home-schooled by Sid Hartman, I don't blame you guys for being ignorant when it comes to how the Gophers are perceived. Amelia tried to show some diverse opinions today and that was nice. Gus Johnson agrees with me. I'm not totally on an Island in thinking a team that finishes 5-11 is no shoo-in.
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Do you think you're smarter than everyone else? Every bracket on the web has the Gophers in while you continue to say they're on the wrong side of the bubble.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
 

I hope that people are correct and that there is no need to be concerned regarding the Gophers being invited to the NCAA tournament. However, being a good Minnesotan, I would rather not place my faith in prognosticators regarding a team that came in 9th in the B1G. If we get in, great. If we don't get in, then I won't weep for this squad and feel like we've been slighted. We've made our bed, one way or another.
 

Moses87 said:
Find me a team that has finished 5-11 and made the Tourney as an At-Large bid and I'll shutup.
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2002-2003 Alabama started the year 11-1 with non-conference wins over Oklahoma (who was a 1 seed in the tourney), Ohio State, Utah, and Xavier, all who made the tournament. They then went 7-9 in conference and lost in the first round of the SEC tournament to finish the year 6-10, 17-11 overall. They lost by 19 on the road at Ole Miss (4-12 in conference), lost by 9 at Arkansas (4-12 in conference), lost by 1 at Vanderbilt (3-13 in conference) and again by 13 at a neutral site. They had 3 wins in conference against teams without a losing conference record; at Tennessee (9-7), home vs LSU (8-8), and home vs Mississippi State (9-7). The win at Tennessee was also their only conference road win on the season. They finished the year in 8th place overall in the SEC, 4th in their division.

The SEC sent 6 teams to the tournament that year, 4 of which ended the year ranked. Alabama was a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament who got in based largely on a their tough schedule both in and out of conference. They finished the year poorly, lost to bad teams in the conference both at home and on the road, and didn't beat the top 4 teams in conference. However they did have those signature wins early in the year and played a tough schedule which earned them an at-large bid in the NCAA.

WHEN the Gophers make the NCAA tournament this year, it will not be setting any precedents and they will not be the worst team to have ever received an at large bid.
 

tinyarch said:
I hope that people are correct and that there is no need to be concerned regarding the Gophers being invited to the NCAA tournament. However, being a good Minnesotan, I would rather not place my faith in prognosticators regarding a team that came in 7th in the B1G. If we get in, great. If we don't get in, then I won't weep for this squad and feel like we've been slighted. We've made our bed, one way or another.
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Fixed it for you.
 

Unregistered User said:
Fixed it for you.
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Were they the 7th seed in the tournament? I don't think so. When I looked they were seeded 9th. So...unless you want to quibble with the B1G seeding committee let's just accept that we ended up 9th in the B1G.
 

Hats Off To Thee! said:
2002-2003 Alabama started the year 11-1 with non-conference wins over Oklahoma (who was a 1 seed in the tourney), Ohio State, Utah, and Xavier, all who made the tournament. They then went 7-9 in conference and lost in the first round of the SEC tournament to finish the year 6-10, 17-11 overall. They lost by 19 on the road at Ole Miss (4-12 in conference), lost by 9 at Arkansas (4-12 in conference), lost by 1 at Vanderbilt (3-13 in conference) and again by 13 at a neutral site. They had 3 wins in conference against teams without a losing conference record; at Tennessee (9-7), home vs LSU (8-8), and home vs Mississippi State (9-7). The win at Tennessee was also their only conference road win on the season. They finished the year in 8th place overall in the SEC, 4th in their division.

The SEC sent 6 teams to the tournament that year, 4 of which ended the year ranked. Alabama was a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament who got in based largely on a their tough schedule both in and out of conference. They finished the year poorly, lost to bad teams in the conference both at home and on the road, and didn't beat the top 4 teams in conference. However they did have those signature wins early in the year and played a tough schedule which earned them an at-large bid in the NCAA.

WHEN the Gophers make the NCAA tournament this year, it will not be setting any precedents and they will not be the worst team to have ever received an at large bid.
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6-10 is not 5-11....Close but no cigar....By the way, how did Bama fair in the dance that year?
 

tinyarch said:
Were they the 7th seed in the tournament? I don't think so. When I looked they were seeded 9th. So...unless you want to quibble with the B1G seeding committee let's just accept that we ended up 9th in the B1G.
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tinyarch, what I said about moses shutting his pie hole also applies to you. Either that or join On and On Anon.
 

Tubby should get that sports psychologist all lined up for next week. What happened the last time the Gophers had a week off? I'm just saying.......Given the way this thing has finished, we get to watch one, maybe two NCAA tourney games and get a coaching search underway. Pretty exciting late March.
 



Moses87 said:
6-10 is not 5-11....Close but no cigar....By the way, how did Bama fair in the dance that year?
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6-10 or 5-11 is nit-picking and not a differentiation that the selection committee makes, because they don't factor in how a team finishes their season. They look at the entire season and the 2002-2003 Alabama team is pretty damn close to this years Gophers, only much worse numbers-wise. There RPI was 0.5558 (63rd) and their SOS was 28.

And they lost a close game in the first round that year, which is highly likely going to be the fate of my beloved Gophers this year. It is however completely irrelevant to the argument you have unsuccessfully been trying to make in this thread.

They are going to make the tournament, they absolutely deserve to be there based on the criteria the selection committee uses, and there have been worse or equally as bad teams that have received at-large bids in the past.
 




Dr.Don said:
tinyarch, what I said about moses shutting his pie hole also applies to you. Either that or join On and On Anon.
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Why do you imagine that I care what you think? When you actually share something that isn't a poor attempt at humor then I'll think about caring what your opinion is. Until then go and kiss the Alexandria Viking for me.
 

Hats Off To Thee! said:
6-10 or 5-11 is nit-picking and not a differentiation that the selection committee makes, because they don't factor in how a team finishes their season. They look at the entire season and the 2002-2003 Alabama team is pretty damn close to this years Gophers, only much worse numbers-wise. There RPI was 0.5558 (63rd) and their SOS was 28.

And they lost a close game in the first round that year, which is highly likely going to be the fate of my beloved Gophers this year. It is however completely irrelevant to the argument you have unsuccessfully been trying to make in this thread.

They are going to make the tournament, they absolutely deserve to be there based on the criteria the selection committee uses, and there have been worse or equally as bad teams that have received at-large bids in the past.
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I hope you're right. But, like a true Minnesotan, I'd rather fear the worst and be pleasantly surprised if the worst doesn't happen. Until tomorrow evenings selection show I guess I'll stave off disappointment by expecting the NIT and giving a sigh of relief if we get invited to the NCAA tourney. I don't have the confidence that others have in the selection committee picking a 9th placed team for the dance.
 

Hats Off To Thee! said:
6-10 or 5-11 is nit-picking and not a differentiation that the selection committee makes, because they don't factor in how a team finishes their season. They look at the entire season and the 2002-2003 Alabama team is pretty damn close to this years Gophers, only much worse numbers-wise. There RPI was 0.5558 (63rd) and their SOS was 28.

And they lost a close game in the first round that year, which is highly likely going to be the fate of my beloved Gophers this year. It is however completely irrelevant to the argument you have unsuccessfully been trying to make in this thread.

They are going to make the tournament, they absolutely deserve to be there based on the criteria the selection committee uses, and there have been worse or equally as bad teams that have received at-large bids in the past.
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That was some good research, but you failed to find another team that finished 5-11...or are you still looking? By the way, regarding the criteria...The committee can always break out the old "eye test" and expel a team with a solid SOS and RPI. They've done so in year's past when they wanna reward a mid-major for winning their regular season championship.

The fact that Akron won and Iowa lost last night makes the Gophers less vulnerable. I won't be surprised to see them get in now but I think many here will be surprised to see how low of seed they get. Might even be a 12 with a play in. Could be a 12, non play-in.

In my opinion, Iowa got robbed last night by the refs and they deserve a bid over the Gophers, especially seeing how they crushed us by 20-something just 3 weeks ago.
 

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