Fire Ben Johnson

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The column was a PR plant by Coyle. It’s been his job to get the money all along and he fell way behind. He needs to leave with Johnson.
 

MNVCGUY said:
In an 18 team conference, finishing in the top 3rd should be the goal for most of the teams every year. mngolf is way off saying that wouldn't be good enough, every team in the conference would be thrilled to be finishing in the top 3rd of the conference on a yearly basis.
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I'm not ok with taking away from others to only finish top third. It's barely acceptable to me in football but not in anything else. And if you spend that in men's bb, the others will not be top third.
 

MNVCGUY said:
How is that an FU to the other sports? Football and basketball should be the top sports in terms of revenue sharing and NIL/Pay for Play because they are revenue sports.

And better than top 3rd? If we are finishing in the top 6 in the Big Ten on a yearly basis that would be significantly better than what the program has done most years and would have us in the NCAA tournament. Not sure how that wouldn't be good enough.
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Football should be 75% min. That means just over 5M for everything else. Are you ok with that? Nothing for hockey, volleyball, women's bb, wrestling. That's ok to think that, just want all to understand.
 

mngolf said:
Football should be 75% min. That means just over 5M for everything else. Are you ok with that? Nothing for hockey, volleyball, women's bb, wrestling. That's ok to think that, just want all to understand.
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Agreed. Also, back 15 yrs ago I was hitting practice shots using the mirror at Bolstad and coach Brad James came up to me. Great guy! He is gone but I continue to follow the great northern anomaly that is gopher golf.
 

mngolf said:
Football should be 75% min. That means just over 5M for everything else. Are you ok with that? Nothing for hockey, volleyball, women's bb, wrestling. That's ok to think that, just want all to understand.
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I don't get the high percentage for football. The U gets, what, 7 home games with an average of 40,000 fans, so 280,000 seats. Men's basketball gets, what, 18 home games (if we had a competitive team) with 10,000 per game, so 180,000 seats. Men's hockey gets about 20 home games with 8000 per game, so 160,000 seats. Volleyball 20 home games at 5000 per game so 100,000 seats.
Yes, football is highest, but not 75% highest. I'd drop that to a 60/40 level by revenue sharing.
 


FinnGopher said:
I don't get the high percentage for football. The U gets, what, 7 home games with an average of 40,000 fans, so 280,000 seats. Men's basketball gets, what, 18 home games (if we had a competitive team) with 10,000 per game, so 180,000 seats. Men's hockey gets about 20 home games with 8000 per game, so 160,000 seats. Volleyball 20 home games at 5000 per game so 100,000 seats.
Yes, football is highest, but not 75% highest. I'd drop that to a 60/40 level by revenue sharing.
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Football drives the billion dollar media deals that pay for everything. Basketball (and certainly not non-revenue sports) doesn’t.
 

WindyCityGopher said:
Football drives the billion dollar media deals that pay for everything. Basketball (and certainly not non-revenue sports) doesn’t.
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True, but that has almost 0 to do with the Gophers. That's OSU PSU MICH. It's such an interesting topic. How much does the U pull in if the football team went 1-11 vs 11-1? What about the basketball team? Hockey team? Because of our conference affiliation, we will always have the max money to spend. How or why they spend it will never make everyone happy. To me basketball, hockey volleyball make more sense because they take less pieces to make a great team. Football we are what, 20-25 guys away from being OSU? In basketball we are say 6 guys away from being Purdue.
 


bmb5270 said:
I've nothing against the non revenue sports but football and Men's basketball are already subsidizing them. If you have successful football and Men's basketball programs it will benefit the entire department.
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i think this is an interesting question that others are alluding. Indiana's season certainly has generated extra attention, etc. I'd be curious to see how it has changed the dollars for other sports given the CFP payouts are to the conference, not the team. It may impact attendance, but those dollars are small compared to the millions coming from TV contracts. It may impact donors, but they're by and large now giving to ear marked NIL to spend on the team they want. Just an interesting thought experiment to me as to where the actual ROI ends up in buying a team to the overall bottom line.

Previously before revenue sharing and mega conference affiliated TV contracts, this may have been more true. Now I'm not as sure that success of those teams changes a ton for others.
 





WindyCityGopher said:
Football drives the billion dollar media deals that pay for everything. Basketball (and certainly not non-revenue sports) doesn’t.
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Let's be more specific. Big 10 football brings in the media money, followed by Big 10 basketball. All other sports are minimal. Focusing on this and knowing that the Gophers draw much less than Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State in football, the 75/25 still doesn't make sense. I'd still go 60/40 for Minnesota.
 





leib0039 said:
For those saying an in season firing was pointless (at the beginning of the year I agreed), Miami and Utah already found their coaches. Guess that idea is out.
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This does lend me to believe Ben will be back. Traditionally teams didn’t fire coaches mid season too often, however the game absolutely has changed with the portal/NIL being so important. Duke’s assistant coach leaving after the end of the regular season is incredible to me. We are setting ourselves back unnecessarily if we do intend to let him go. Hey maybe we go on an incredible run in the B1G tournament ala NC State.
 


Gilthorp57 said:
I have a bad feeling Ben is returning.
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It makes some sense. Why pay $3M to fire, plus $3-5M for a new coach, when you can have more resources for a coach that makes $2M see what he can do with the new support. I'm really ok with what Coyle decides to do and can support either way. If fired, someone ponied up the $$.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It makes some sense. Why pay $3M to fire, plus $3-5M for a new coach, when you can have more resources for a coach that makes $2M see what he can do with the new support. I'm really ok with what Coyle decides to do and can support either way. If fired, someone ponied up the $$.
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This is an example of how someone can convince themselves of the dangdest stupid thing and conclude it makes sense. You're overpaying someone who's the worst you've ever employed. Why? There's no justification for running this back. The rest of the league will celebrate this.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It makes some sense. Why pay $3M to fire, plus $3-5M for a new coach, when you can have more resources for a coach that makes $2M see what he can do with the new support. I'm really ok with what Coyle decides to do and can support either way. If fired, someone ponied up the $$.
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They better use those saved funds to find an "offensive coordinator". Ben doesn't have the personnel to a run an NBA 5 High, but Ben insists. They need to run Wisconsin/Princeton type sets, unless there is an significant talent upgrade.
 

I get it, this doesn't change results but at least something. Poor ol Ben just says shucks darn it just wasn't out night I guess.

 

MaxyJR1 said:
It makes some sense. Why pay $3M to fire, plus $3-5M for a new coach, when you can have more resources for a coach that makes $2M see what he can do with the new support. I'm really ok with what Coyle decides to do and can support either way. If fired, someone ponied up the $$.
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It makes zero sense. He is overpaid for his results and if he is canned next year (highly likely) you are in no better position and likely a worse one. Attendance will crater worse than it is unless he finds lightning in a bottle.

If Coyle brings back Johnson and then he gets fired Coyle likely goes with him.

People have to stop with this coping...we aren't broke and we aren't the worst program of all time. Worse teams than us have found good coaches...we can too. Hell even an average coach would win more than Ben. I bet half the coaches fired would. You guys are letting fatalism take away your belief that it can get better. We don't need a hall of fame coach to be better than we are.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It makes some sense. Why pay $3M to fire, plus $3-5M for a new coach, when you can have more resources for a coach that makes $2M see what he can do with the new support. I'm really ok with what Coyle decides to do and can support either way. If fired, someone ponied up the $$.
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It makes NO sense to anyone WITH any sense.
 

That said, about 3 weeks ago it started feeling more and more like Johnson is coming back for year 5.

Which is stupid in the 9th degree, but there we are. Another wasted year, at minimum.
 

leib0039 said:
For those saying an in season firing was pointless (at the beginning of the year I agreed), Miami and Utah already found their coaches. Guess that idea is out.
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It should have been done long ago. It was justified at 0-2 and flat out needed to happen at 0-6.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It makes some sense. Why pay $3M to fire, plus $3-5M for a new coach, when you can have more resources for a coach that makes $2M see what he can do with the new support. I'm really ok with what Coyle decides to do and can support either way. If fired, someone ponied up the $$.
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None of that changes a year from now. Ben will have a buyout. The new coach will cost more than him etc. All kicking the can does is flush another $2 million on a failed coach, another $2-3 million in lost ticket sales and another wasted season.
 

USAF said:
That said, about 3 weeks ago it started feeling more and more like Johnson is coming back for year 5.

Which is stupid in the 9th degree, but there we are. Another wasted year, at minimum.
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The two "magical" win in LA were extremely costly. If we're 5-14, I don't think he could possibly spin it.
 

leib0039 said:
True, but that has almost 0 to do with the Gophers. That's OSU PSU MICH. It's such an interesting topic. How much does the U pull in if the football team went 1-11 vs 11-1? What about the basketball team? Hockey team? Because of our conference affiliation, we will always have the max money to spend. How or why they spend it will never make everyone happy. To me basketball, hockey volleyball make more sense because they take less pieces to make a great team. Football we are what, 20-25 guys away from being OSU? In basketball we are say 6 guys away from being Purdue.
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Sure, but the conference is a collective and negotiates as such. So, it does have a good deal to do with the Minnesotas and Marylands and Northwesterns and Rutgers and UCLAs that might not bring great on-field performance year-to-year, but they do bring large media markets that add big value for networks and streamers who pay handsomely for those eyeballs. Otherwise OSU, Michigan and PSU would just go out and negotiate their own rights like Notre Dame. Each team gets the same amount (unless they’re recent add who are getting less) because collectively 18 teams presented together as a conference have a higher value than when presented individually.
 

howeda7 said:
The two "magical" win in LA were extremely costly. If we're 5-14, I don't think he could possibly spin it.
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I've been saying this for months: Anything that lowers the chances of a new coach is ultimately bad for the program.
Making the B1G tournament, which shouldn't matter one iota, is held up here like some sorrt of achievement, FFS.
I mean, wow. How low can you place your self respect.
 

leib0039 said:
For those saying an in season firing was pointless (at the beginning of the year I agreed), Miami and Utah already found their coaches. Guess that idea is out.
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Honest question - how do you feel about the hires they made?

Utah gets a former player and his only head coaching experience was in the G League 10 years ago for 3 seasons.

Miami gets a well respected assistant coach but also someone that has never been a head coach.

Can't imagine either of those hires firing up the local fanbase here. Maybe Lucas a little because he has a famous name and has worked for some high profile programs in college basketball.

And that is not to say either hire is bad but by hiring a coach now you eliminate any current head coaches from the pool of candidates and to me, bringing someone in with head coaching experience should be a priority.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Honest question - how do you feel about the hires they made?

Utah gets a former player and his only head coaching experience was in the G League 10 years ago for 3 seasons.

Miami gets a well respected assistant coach but also someone that has never been a head coach.

Can't imagine either of those hires firing up the local fanbase here. Maybe Lucas a little because he has a famous name and has worked for some high profile programs in college basketball.

And that is not to say either hire is bad but by hiring a coach now you eliminate any current head coaches from the pool of candidates and to me, bringing someone in with head coaching experience should be a priority.
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Utah's hiring and firing were fueled by big time boosters who wanted him hired 4 years ago. They didn't contribute to the basketball program and they weren't good as a result (huge shocker). If i were a Utah fan I'd be pumped for the cash that can be used to buy players.
 

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