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Bad Gopher said:
I particularly enjoyed not swooning in February, finishing in the upper division of the conference, finishing with a winning conference record, getting a first-round bye in the conference tournament and watching players who had developed a great deal during their playing career. It makes me smile thinking about it.
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Great. You do that. I enjoy winning games in the NCAA Tournament. The players under Monson won zero.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
After this post, I'm done carrying on an argument that we've had several times where we both know each other's position while I should be focused on one Gopher team that can lock up a B1G championship tonight, another that can lock up a tourney bid tonight, and yet another that can reach a Frozen Four by winning tomorrow. Last word for the day is yours if you want it.
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I suggest you inform Station 19 that he should be focusing on this year's team before he starts another Tubby Bashing thread.
 


PitinoFan said:
So...one win in 6 years is your benchmark?
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In an absolute world, no. Relatively speaking, I will take one win in 6 years as compared to the 0 in the 17 years that preceded it.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I suggest you inform Station 19 that he should be focusing on this year's team before he starts another Tubby Bashing thread.
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It was a Larry Fitzgerald bashing thread dumbass.

And yes Tubby was inept.
 



station19 said:
It was a Larry Fitzgerald bashing thread dumbass.
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Riiiiight. Which is why you started harping on Tubby in the very first sentence.

station19 said:
And yes he was inept.
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There are lots of active coaches with national championships walking around. There are lots of coaches walking around with 500+ career victories. There are lots of coaches who brought schools to their best season in 23 years, only to be rewarded with a pink slip. There are lots of fired Gopher coaches (football and basketball) who got another AQ job immediately after being fired. Quite a definition of "inept" you have there.
 

station19 said:
And you often do.
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Why is the guy responding to the idiocy the jerk, and not the guy who spoke the idiocy? Wait, don't answer that...I don't want you to testify against yourself.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Great. You do that. I enjoy winning games in the NCAA Tournament. The players under Monson won zero.
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We won one ncaa tournament game in six years but we shouldn't fire Tubby because it was his best year.

How the hell does this best year criteria apply?
 



station19 said:
We won one ncaa tournament game in six years but we shouldn't fire Tubby because it was his best year.

How the hell does this best year criteria apply?
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1 Tournament win > 0 Tournament wins, particularly when no Gophers team in that 23 year stretch even came close to challenging for a Big Ten title. Thus, last year was better than each of the 22 that preceded it. I could listen to an argument where winning a conference championship and having a first round loss is better than finishing 7th and winning a game, but saying that finishing 4th and getting handled in the first is better than finishing 7th and winning a game is asinine. People sure seem to care a lot about conference finishes when Tubby is the topic of discussion.
 

dpodoll68 said:
1 Tournament win > 0 Tournament wins, particularly when no Gophers team in that 23 year stretch even came close to challenging for a Big Ten title. Thus, last year was better than each of the 22 that preceded it. I could listen to an argument where winning a conference championship and having a first round loss is better than finishing 7th and winning a game, but saying that finishing 4th and getting handled in the first is better than finishing 7th and winning a game is asinine. People sure seem to care a lot about conference finishes when Tubby is the topic of discussion.
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Tubby's Big Ten record at Minnesota was 46-62 with one NCAA Tournament win. Compare that to any other coach you want but it won't change his record.

If that's good enough for you that's your problem I guess.

BTW I will start another Tubby bashing thread soon. Would you like a sneak preview before I post it?
 

station19 said:
Tubby's Big Ten record at Minnesota was 46-62 with one NCAA Tournament win. Compare that to any other coach you want but it won't change his record.

If that's good enough for you that's your problem I guess.

BTW I will start another Tubby bashing thread soon. Would you like a sneak preview before I post it?
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I assume you think Tom Crean should be fired by the end of the day then?

P.S. Where did I say it was good enough?
 




dpodoll68 said:
I assume you think Tom Crean should be fired by the end of the day then?

P.S. Where did I say it was good enough?
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I really haven't followed Crean close enough nor do I care enough about Indiana.

You said he shouldn't be fired coming off his best year many, many, many times. Either you feel that his performance is good enough or for some strange reason you think the program is on the upswing. Of course there is that third option I guess; the one where you think it's the best we can ever hope for.
 

mplarson7 said:
Exactly, the body of work wasn't good enough. That's why he's gone.
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Good enough for me means a national championship every year. Since I know that's not realistic here on planet Earth, good enough by Gophers standards means a coach who gets good results by the historical standards of his school. Winning national titles and 500+ games with several deep Tournament runs buys a pretty long rope from me. Further, I really have trouble with firing a coach coming off his best season and the school's best season in 23 years. Why is everyone finding it so hard to procure another example of a coach being fired immediately upon gaining a Tournament victory for his school for the first time in decades? Such terrible coaches should get fired all the time.
 

station19 said:
Either you feel that his performance is good enough or for some strange reason you think the program is on the upswing.
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"Some strange reason"? So winning a Tournament game for the first time in 23 years isn't evidence of upswing? The biggest problem I have with the Tubby Bashers is that they want to whitewash some actual accomplishments by the school for the first time in a long time - simply because they Hate the coach so, so much.
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Some strange reason"? So winning a Tournament game for the first time in 23 years isn't evidence of upswing? The biggest problem I have with the Tubby Bashers is that they want to whitewash some actual accomplishments by the school for the first time in a long time - simply because they Hate the coach so, so much.
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If you want to call winning one game after six years as an upswing in the program knock yourself out. If his record was 0-80 and he won his first game.......well I guess that would be an upswing also.

And the problem I have with Tubby apologists is 'you can't fire a coach coming off his best year'......which has absolutely no bearing on anything.

Winning a National Title and the vast majority of those 500+ wins at Kentucky does nothing for his Minnesota resume. How many of those wins and tournament runs were because of Tubby and how many were because it was Kentucky.

Tubby was a fraud at Minnesota Parski....................um I mean Dpo.
 

station19 said:
If you want to call winning one game after six years as an upswing in the program knock yourself out.
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Yeah, I generally like to point out facts and recognize them as facts.

station19 said:
If his record was 0-80 and he won his first game.......well I guess that would be an upswing also.
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But it wasn't.

station19 said:
And the problem I have with Tubby apologists is 'you can't fire a coach coming off his best year'......which has absolutely no bearing on anything.
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It doesn't? Then why can you find zero instances of it happening in college basketball? If you can fire a coach coming off his best year so easily, why doesn't it happen all the time? Why has it only happened once in NCAA history?

station19 said:
How many of those wins and tournament runs were because of Tubby and how many were because it was Kentucky.
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The fact that you're conveniently ignoring is that he was good enough to be hired and maintain employment there for 10 years even though "it was Kentucky".

station19 said:
Tubby was a fraud at Minnesota Parski....................um I mean Dpo.
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Whatever you say, Tubby Hater.

I'll look forward to your vitriolic turn on Pitino in 5 years when he dares to not perform up to your expectations - assuming he's still here 5 years from now.
 

Don't forget, Tubby won that national championship with Pitino's players.
 


How long was the line of schools to hire Tubby after he got canned after his "best season" at Minnesota? He is at Texas Tech, right?
 

dpodoll68;863605[B said:
]Yeah, I generally like to point out facts and recognize them as facts.[/B]

Does that one game 'upswing' really move your needle?



But it wasn't.
But under that scenario he shouldn't be fired. He was coming off his best season after all.



It doesn't? Then why can you find zero instances of it happening in college basketball? If you can fire a coach coming off his best year so easily, why doesn't it happen all the time? Why has it only happened once in NCAA history?
Because I haven't looked and I don't really care because it is not important to me.



The fact that you're conveniently ignoring is that he was good enough to be hired and maintain employment there for 10 years even though "it was Kentucky".
I'm ignoring it because any Gopher coach should be judged on their body of work at Minnesota....not at some other school.



Whatever you say, Tubby Hater.

I'll look forward to your vitriolic turn on Pitino in 5 years when he dares to not perform up to your expectations - assuming he's still here 5 years from now.
There have been plenty other fired Gopher coaches and I have not bashed them. Let's use Brewster as an example. At least he tried and put some effort into it. He also didn't throw his players under the bus and complain about everything in the world.

Now go back to work before you get caught bsing on company time.
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I know you're really enjoying this but I'm getting bored.

Edit: I just finished making some 15 bean soup if you want some.
 

station19 said:
I know you're really enjoying this but I'm getting bored.

Edit: I just finished making some 15 bean soup if you want some.
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15 types of beans or 15 total beans?

Is this your best soup in 23 years?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Pitino's assistants play zero role in recruiting.
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Well said. Always thought that was a dumb argument. Tubby had an awesome Kentucky team with all his recruits derailed in a winner take all against Dwayne Wade at the dome. No shame in that.
 

e.bigelow said:
How long was the line of schools to hire Tubby after he got canned after his "best season" at Minnesota? He is at Texas Tech, right?
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+2 Well stated, wonder why? Suppose Lubbock was his dream job.
 

e.bigelow said:
How long was the line of schools to hire Tubby after he got canned after his "best season" at Minnesota? He is at Texas Tech, right?
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You're a gopher fan that laughs at the idea of a coach taking a job at TT? Interesting... If you think TT was the only offer you are extremely ignorant
 

dpodoll68 said:
Good enough for me means a national championship every year. Since I know that's not realistic here on planet Earth, good enough by Gophers standards means a coach who gets good results by the historical standards of his school. Winning national titles and 500+ games with several deep Tournament runs buys a pretty long rope from me. Further, I really have trouble with firing a coach coming off his best season and the school's best season in 23 years. Why is everyone finding it so hard to procure another example of a coach being fired immediately upon gaining a Tournament victory for his school for the first time in decades? Such terrible coaches should get fired all the time.
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Bo Ryan has had 13 straight top 4 finishes in the Big Ten. Tubby's best year was what finishing for 7th in the conference? It was time for him to go, there is no reason why we cant be 1/3 as successful as Wisconsin.

DP just because you cant let an argument drop does not mean your take is more correct than reality. Let it go man, Tubby's successful past is just that, past.
 

lakesgopher said:
You're a gopher fan that laughs at the idea of a coach taking a job at TT? Interesting... If you think TT was the only offer you are extremely ignorant
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Oh yeah your right, he was also offered the job at Mankato State, St. Olaf, and also Southern Illinois. If you actually think Tubby was getting looks at even USC or Northwestern, you are ignorant.

I love Tubby, he should be in the hall of fame. But it is clear as day that he has refused to adapt to the new basketball landscape in many ways. He no longer is a top flight coach, no reason to debate this, its reality.
 

victor04 said:
Oh yeah your right, he was also offered the job at Mankato State, St. Olaf, and also Southern Illinois. If you actually think Tubby was getting looks at even USC or Northwestern, you are ignorant. I love Tubby, he should be in the hall of fame. But it is clear as day that he has refused to adapt to the new basketball landscape in many ways. He no longer is a top flight coach, no reason to debate this, its reality.
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No one was debating tubby as a top flight coach. You and I have no clue if tubby was or wasn't contacted by other schools. I find it hard to believe that TT was the only offer or contact. You can believe what you want but I'm not going to assume tubby went from Kentucky to Minnesota to st Olaf...continue to be stupid if you wish
 

I am not saying I have any "insider" information. All im trying to say is that Tubby is at a stage in his career that TT is a perfect fit, and based on him ending up there we can make a somewhat logical assumption that this was probably the best option out there for him, not definitive of course, but in all likelihood. I say he is not a top flight coach since TT is exactly the place for a non top flight coach to be at. He is in the perfect spot, Minnesota is hungry as a program and Tubby just lost his zeal to raise a program like Minnesota.
 

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