Dumb ass Larry Fitzgerald on Almanac

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It doesn't help any cause, even if the cause itself is legitimate, to have ignorant statements made or a seemingly ignorant spokesperson in the public eye. That said, I'm not sure why anybody cares what some local self-declared "media personality" said on a station nobody listens to and 90% of people never heard of. If nothing else, like the guys at KFAN he probably realizes his job isn't to be correct but to generate buzz.
 

I've listened to Fitzgerald talk before on the issue of racism. His argument is that the racism is systemic within our economic and political system. He doesn't view it as individual prejudice between people. He presents it as a system of racism within the hiring and firing of people; who gets promoted or hired vs who doesn't; etc... From that perspective I believe Fitzgerald is correct. There is clearly systemic racism in business and politics, just as there is gender inequality in business and politics. Where Fitzgerald rubs people wrong is in the tone he uses to get his point across. What he actually says, which is generally accurate, is lost on people because his tone is confrontational and people in Minnesota are extremely passive aggressive.
 


station19 said:
Tubby had become complacent, and excuse maker, a complainer and inept.
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"Inept"...and yet produced Minnesota's best season in 23 years. What would he have done if he weren't so "complacent"? National championship?
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Inept"...and yet produced Minnesota's best season in 23 years. What would he have done if he weren't so "complacent"? National championship?
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Maybe you're happy with never finishing above 500 in conference but many others aren't.

Norwood Teague wasn't.
 


station19 said:
Maybe you're happy with never finishing above 500 in conference but many others aren't.

Norwood Teague wasn't.
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Maybe you're not happy with winning a Tournament game for the first time in 23 years but many others are.

Norwood Teague would've fired Tubby virtually without regard to how the season finished. Conference finish had very little to do with it. He couldn't show off his signature ability (hiring a new basketball coach) as long as his predecessor's coach was in place.
 

Larry Fitzgerald does have a point when he criticizes the local sports radio stations lack of any African American hosts. KSTP,KFAN, and now the other station 105.1 could are full of the same suburban middle aged white guys.

Also, did anyone else notice the inordinate amount of dislike that was spewed towards Denny Green when he was the head coach here? Granted Denny was paranoid and had a large ego, but he brought the team to two NFC championship games and had the team in the playoffs more often than not.
 

WorkingMyTailOff said:
Larry Fitzgerald does have a point when he criticizes the local sports radio stations lack of any African American hosts. KSTP,KFAN, and now the other station 105.1 could are full of the same suburban middle aged white guys.

Also, did anyone else notice the inordinate amount of dislike that was spewed towards Denny Green when he was the head coach here? Granted Denny was paranoid and had a large ego, but he brought the team to two NFC championship games and had the team in the playoffs more often than not.
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And Leslie Frazier had less success but seemed to be very well liked.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Maybe you're not happy with winning a Tournament game for the first time in 23 years but many others are.

Norwood Teague would've fired Tubby virtually without regard to how the season finished. Conference finish had very little to do with it. He couldn't show off his signature ability (hiring a new basketball coach) as long as his predecessor's coach was in place.
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I'm guessing when we were 15-1, 3-0 in conference and number eight in the land, Norwood wasn't thinking about firing the coach
 



WorkingMyTailOff said:
Also, did anyone else notice the inordinate amount of dislike that was spewed towards Denny Green when he was the head coach here?
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Plus the venom toward Daunte Culpepper, who was the best Vikings homegrown QB in decades before his knee got destroyed.
 

WorkingMyTailOff said:
Also, did anyone else notice the inordinate amount of dislike that was spewed towards Denny Green when he was the head coach here? Granted Denny was paranoid and had a large ego, but he brought the team to two NFC championship games and had the team in the playoffs more often than not.
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Belly up against the Bears in '94, choking against the Falcons in '98 (99) and 41-0 in '00 (01) can make a lot of people irrational.
 

WorkingMyTailOff said:
Larry Fitzgerald does have a point when he criticizes the local sports radio stations lack of any African American hosts. KSTP,KFAN, and now the other station 105.1 could are full of the same suburban middle aged white guys.

Also, did anyone else notice the inordinate amount of dislike that was spewed towards Denny Green when he was the head coach here? Granted Denny was paranoid and had a large ego, but he brought the team to two NFC championship games and had the team in the playoffs more often than not.
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I do agree with that, the only real terrible season I remember the vikes having in the Green years was his last year, I was a little guy his first couple so I don't remember anything before 93, but I'd take Green over any of the three coaches who followed him. I'll wait and see with Zimmer
 

station19 said:
And Leslie Frazier had less success but seemed to be very well liked.
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Good point Station19. I'm not saying Denny was let go because of his race at all. It just seemed to me that Denny garnered more negativity relatively early in his stint with the Vikings than he deserved.

You have to admit that the radio sports talk shows in this town are lacking diversity.
 



WorkingMyTailOff said:
Larry Fitzgerald does have a point when he criticizes the local sports radio stations lack of any African American hosts. KSTP,KFAN, and now the other station 105.1 could are full of the same suburban middle aged white guys.

Also, did anyone else notice the inordinate amount of dislike that was spewed towards Denny Green when he was the head coach here? Granted Denny was paranoid and had a large ego, but he brought the team to two NFC championship games and had the team in the playoffs more often than not.
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Inordinate amount of dislike spewed at Denny Green? You're joking right? We can all admit that the vikings are the most talked about team in Minnesota. And every coach is torn to shreds if they blow it in a high pressure situation. The Childress situation a few years ago was nearly identical to Green's. To say Denny Green was railroaded because he was black is inane.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Maybe you're not happy with winning a Tournament game for the first time in 23 years but many others are.

Norwood Teague would've fired Tubby virtually without regard to how the season finished. Conference finish had very little to do with it. He couldn't show off his signature ability (hiring a new basketball coach) as long as his predecessor's coach was in place.
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BS. You're not that stupid Dpo.

Firing Tubby was a very easy decision for anyone that had the guts.
 

WorkingMyTailOff said:
Larry Fitzgerald does have a point when he criticizes the local sports radio stations lack of any African American hosts. KSTP,KFAN, and now the other station 105.1 could are full of the same suburban middle aged white guys.

Also, did anyone else notice the inordinate amount of dislike that was spewed towards Denny Green when he was the head coach here? Granted Denny was paranoid and had a large ego, but he brought the team to two NFC championship games and had the team in the playoffs more often than not.
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If I recall, Fitz was one of the original talk show hosts for KFAN. He got in hot water for presenting his views on racism while on the air and shortly was dismissed from the station.

Whether people want to admit it or not, Minnesota has a strong undercurrent of systemic racism that runs from the time it became a State in 1858 to the present. White males still receive an economic and political advantage in Minnesota.
 

tinyarch said:
If I recall, Fitz was one of the original talk show hosts for KFAN. He got in hot water for presenting his views on racism while on the air and shortly was dismissed from the station.

Whether people want to admit it or not, Minnesota has a strong undercurrent of systemic racism that runs from the time it became a State in 1858 to the present. White males still receive an economic and political advantage in Minnesota.
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with why Tubby was fired and why our new coach is named Pitino.
 

station19 said:
Which has absolutely nothing to do with why Tubby was fired and why our new coach is named Pitino.
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I'd agree with you. I believe the words and thoughts of the current players were more of a factor than anything else. I was listening to Austin Hollins being interviewed for senior day and the underlying message was...I want to thank Tubby for recruiting me, but I'm much happier this season than I ever was playing for Tubby. Add that to the lack of production in February and March and you have a recipe for being dismissed.
 

tinyarch said:
If I recall, Fitz was one of the original talk show hosts for KFAN. He got in hot water for presenting his views on racism while on the air and shortly was dismissed from the station.

Whether people want to admit it or not, Minnesota has a strong undercurrent of systemic racism that runs from the time it became a State in 1858 to the present. White males still receive an economic and political advantage in Minnesota.
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It's possible you are correct about the systemic nature of racism, but it's just as likely that a decent history lesson would surprise the hell out of you regarding which people bore the brunt of it way back when. And you might be shocked to find out which other people had no problem with it in early Minnesota. Btw, has anyone noticed how easy it is to let complaints about racism become a diatribe about an offending race rather than offending individuals? Racism has many facets and isn't the sole property of a particular people.
 

station19 said:
Firing Tubby was a very easy decision for anyone that had the guts.
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"Very easy". No other school in the history of the NCAA had fired a clean coach coming off his own best season and the school's best season in 23 years. Ever. A completely unprecedented occurrence, and yet it was "very easy".
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Very easy". No other school in the history of the NCAA had fired a clean coach coming off his own best season and the school's best season in 23 years. Ever. A completely unprecedented occurrence, and yet it was "very easy".
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That wasn't even close to the best season in 23 years. Most underachieving season maybe.
 

tinyarch said:
I'd agree with you. I believe the words and thoughts of the current players were more of a factor than anything else. I was listening to Austin Hollins being interviewed for senior day and the underlying message was...I want to thank Tubby for recruiting me, but I'm much happier this season than I ever was playing for Tubby. Add that to the lack of production in February and March and you have a recipe for being dismissed.
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I listen to a lot of sports radio hosts, guests and former players. Many of them are cafeful with what they say but it is so obvious that Teague and Ellis were less than thrilled with the way Tubby ran the program. Players did not like playing for him. Teague has said Tubby would have been gone even if he reached the sweet 16. So many, many things like what you describe with Austin.
 

PitinoFan said:
That wasn't even close to the best season in 23 years. Most underachieving season maybe.
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Which of the previous 22 seasons included playing 2 NCAA Tournament games? I'll hang up and listen.
 


Just now on ESPN halftime:

Digger: Three or four years from now when Richard Pitino gets his players.......Mich St, Ohio St, Wisconsin..move over her comes Minnesota.
 

Stated very well.
maxwellsmart said:
It's possible you are correct about the systemic nature of racism, but it's just as likely that a decent history lesson would surprise the hell out of you regarding which people bore the brunt of it way back when. And you might be shocked to find out which other people had no problem with it in early Minnesota. Btw, has anyone noticed how easy it is to let complaints about racism become a diatribe about an offending race rather than offending individuals? Racism has many facets and isn't the sole property of a particular people.
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dpodoll68 said:
Exactly. As I've stated numerous times, performance had very little to do with it.
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If 6 years from now, Pitino has a 25% or lower NCAA tournament winning percentage and 0 winning B1G seasons, I will be at the front of the fire Pitino crowd.
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Very easy". No other school in the history of the NCAA had fired a clean coach coming off his own best season and the school's best season in 23 years. Ever. A completely unprecedented occurrence, and yet it was "very easy".
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Why must you preach we are doomed for an eternity of failure?
 



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