Coach Fleck's To Do List----#1. Get Antoine Winfield Sr.'s phone number!!!!

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Crosby said:
Yes. 100% correct. Instead of threatening to have his son transfer unless Coyle and Kaler were fired, Sr. probably should have spent some time with his boot firmly implanted in Jr.s backside.
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What did Antoine Jr. do? Tell us.
 

Naw he needs to distance himself from all this mess. and then he needs to give Gordy Shaw a call.
 

Winfield Jr can pick the school he wishes after being an all B1G freshman. Both he and dad are flipping UMN the finger as they prepare a lawsuit that profits them substantially and cause the regents to cringe at the hack job done by the EoAA, Kaler and Coyle.
 

I Want 2 Win said:
Can someone explain why the apology needs to go to Antoine Sr? Was he charged or suspended for anything?
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Im guessing when his son's photo was plastered on local news with the words suspended for sexual assault under it would be a good start on the apology reasoning...
 

Did I hear correctly that Winfield, Jr was the one escorting the recruit around campus? It's mostly a question of curiosity but if true could that be something held against him?
 


You make your case but if Winfield, Jr wants to leave you shake his hand and wish him best of luck.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Im guessing when his son's photo was plastered on local news with the words suspended for sexual assault under it would be a good start on the apology reasoning...
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Local news did that, so they should be apologizing

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Crosby said:
Yes. 100% correct. Instead of threatening to have his son transfer unless Coyle and Kaler were fired, Sr. probably should have spent some time with his boot firmly implanted in Jr.s backside.
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WTF are you talking about- AWJ did NOTHING wrong or are you just like the media and convicting all of the 2nd group of 5. Hints of racism coming through you shmuck.
 

Buttcheeks McGaffigan said:
Did I hear correctly that Winfield, Jr was the one escorting the recruit around campus? It's mostly a question of curiosity but if true could that be something held against him?
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I doubt they ascribe the official "host" duties to a freshman- certainly haven't seen that in print or discussed anywhere.
 



I find it interesting that this thread has Antoine Winfield Jr.'s involvement ranging from being at home on the computer with his girlfriend, to being the escort of the freshman and everything in between. Nobody knows for sure except AWJ. The only fact that is known is that, as of now, after his EOAA testimony he is suspended for one year, not expelled.

One point that I haven't seen mentioned in any thread are students' internal conduct records. Each student, whether they are an athlete or not, are expected to follow the Student Conduct Code at the U of M. This is common among all colleges and universities. If a student is found in violation of any portion of the Conduct Code there is an internal record kept. This could include things like a noise violation in the residence halls, fighting, being underage and found on campus with alcohol, as well as more serious violations as academic misconduct(cheating, plagiarism, etc.). If in violation, a student may get a written warning, probation, community service, removal from residence halls, suspension or expulsion. There can be other sanctions, but those are some of the common ones.

My point being that it seems everyone is assuming that the ten students were all issued the sanctions they were given based solely on the events of 9/2. This may be true or some may have gotten in trouble previously which led to a more severe sanction. The general public is not privvy to these. Just because they were not charged on the criminal side, does not mean they were never guilty of previously breaking the Student Conduct Code. For athletes, typically they sign a document that permits the school to contact a designated liaison within the athletic department to alert their coaches when something happens. The coach may decide that he/she may further discipline the student related to the team such as not starting the game, benching, or something else. To be trying to connect the dots and figure out which student was A1, A2, etc. and then tying it to just only was in the report is unfair to everyone involved and a slippery slope.

Regarding Antoine Sr. and his tirade during the boycott TV clip, he does not deserve an apology. I respect that he was upset in the heat of the moment, but he was wrong in what he said. He got up on his soapbox and scolded the University because the President, the AD, or the coach didn't bother to call and tell him about his son's situation. He only heard about it when his son told him about it. He threatened that his son was never coming back to the U until Kaler and Coyle were fired. The fact is, and he would have known this himself since he was a student and an athlete once, is that no one at the University could legally inform him of the situation or the results except his own son. Because of laws of confidentiality, the school can not, without permission from the student, discuss any disciplinary matters with a parent. I feel from Atoine Sr., but in this case he was simply wrong in his statements.
 

For what it's worth with someone who has a little more knowledge, incident or not, Antoine Jr. has been described to me by many of his peers as someone who has always been notoriously creepy and demeaning towards girls. Just as Dorsey was known for being a notorious trouble maker back in his Gopher days. I understand Winfield is a promising CB, but we don't need any of that in our program culture. Good riddens. Rather have high character guys like Coney Durr representing our program at the CB spots.
 

Need to let things play out. Is it worth a year off to transfer now?
 

Some Day...Maybe said:
Would you be surprised if Fleck sat down with all 10 players, looked them in the eye, and thoroughly questioned them about the incident? If he hasn't already read them, having read the police report and University report prior to sitting down with them. Then, after questioning them told the original 5 that they were free to continue their appeal, but based on his judgement they are off the team. The thought popped into my mind so thought I'd share. Or most likely does he just let the process play out? Also thinking he gets Coyle to sit down with the team and get on a better communication plane.

#1 will be finding a QB.
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The Coyle part of this needs to happen. He has completely alienated the team. However, if I'm Fleck, I want to be insulated from anything that happens to these players that I cannot control. Which means letting the appeals process play out before getting directly involved.
 



GopherBulldog said:
The Coyle part of this needs to happen. He has completely alienated the team. However, if I'm Fleck, I want to be insulated from anything that happens to these players that I cannot control. Which means letting the appeals process play out before getting directly involved.
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You are correct. He has no sane choice but to stand down and wait for these appeals to play out.
 

PMWinSTP said:
His recruiting classes were ranked 10-20+ spots below the Gophs, so, yeah, let's grab his recruits.
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PMW...well looks like that's what he's doing but I am sure you know better than Fleck on how to recruit
 


GameDay said:
For what it's worth with someone who has a little more knowledge, incident or not, Antoine Jr. has been described to me by many of his peers as someone who has always been notoriously creepy and demeaning towards girls. Just as Dorsey was known for being a notorious trouble maker back in his Gopher days. I understand Winfield is a promising CB, but we don't need any of that in our program culture. Good riddens. Rather have high character guys like Coney Durr representing our program at the CB spots.
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Winfield doesn't play CB. Good riddens?
 

Winfield should leave. He got slimed by Kaler. By leaving he escapes Kaler's tentacles. Then he should get the last laugh when Kaler is ousted.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Winfield doesn't play CB. Good riddens?
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He's likely gone anyways, so its moot. But yeah, I don't think its the best idea to have a guy with the reputation that he does around girls stay around this program. I prefer to have more guys like Durr, Couglin, Gaelin representing the program. Great players will be here in due time under Fleck. No need to lower character standards to get, or in this case, keep a 'good' player.
 

GameDay said:
He's likely gone anyways, so its moot. But yeah, I don't think its the best idea to have a guy with the reputation that he does around girls stay around this program. I prefer to have more guys like Durr, Couglin, Gaelin representing the program. Great players will be here in due time under Fleck. No need to lower character standards to get, or in this case, keep a 'good' player.
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Not good to have the kid around because of his dads rep? Lay of the booze dude


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Oregon Gopher said:
WTF are you talking about- AWJ did NOTHING wrong or are you just like the media and convicting all of the 2nd group of 5. Hints of racism coming through you shmuck.
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Screw you, Pal. I guess we think that report was just completely made up and they just randomly picked people to throw under the bus. Really? Truly? If it's a case of mistaken identity or whatever, fine. Then Jr. should have had no negative fallout. The truth will work out in the appeals process. But... anyone who was near the scene that night should have been punished including the girl.

BTW, your racist comment? Pathetic.

Wolitarsky's dad should have broken his foot off in that kid's rear end too. Just for being the spokesman of the idiotic boycott.
 

Crosby said:
Screw you, Pal. I guess we think that report was just completely made up and they just randomly picked people to throw under the bus. Really? Truly? If it's a case of mistaken identity or whatever, fine. Then Jr. should have had no negative fallout. The truth will work out in the appeals process. But... anyone who was near the scene that night should have been punished including the girl.

BTW, your racist comment? Pathetic.

Wolitarsky's dad should have broken his foot off in that kid's rear end too. Just for being the spokesman of the idiotic boycott.
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We're punishing people for proximity now?
 

Crosby said:
Screw you, Pal. I guess we think that report was just completely made up and they just randomly picked people to throw under the bus. Really? Truly? If it's a case of mistaken identity or whatever, fine. Then Jr. should have had no negative fallout. The truth will work out in the appeals process. But... anyone who was near the scene that night should have been punished including the girl.

BTW, your racist comment? Pathetic.

Wolitarsky's dad should have broken his foot off in that kid's rear end too. Just for being the spokesman of the idiotic boycott.
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Why did they boycott?
 

Crosby said:
Screw you, Pal. I guess we think that report was just completely made up and they just randomly picked people to throw under the bus. Really? Truly? If it's a case of mistaken identity or whatever, fine. Then Jr. should have had no negative fallout. The truth will work out in the appeals process. But... anyone who was near the scene that night should have been punished including the girl.

BTW, your racist comment? Pathetic.

Wolitarsky's dad should have broken his foot off in that kid's rear end too. Just for being the spokesman of the idiotic boycott.
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The report doesn't specify who is who so you have no idea what Winfield did, if anything.
 

GophersInIowa said:
The report doesn't specify who is who so you have no idea what Winfield did, if anything.
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Exactly right! You don't know either. So why do so many on the board seem to think they know that someone completely non-involved is being punished? I don't buy it. If the investigating body found enough there to warrant a punishment, then so be it. They know more than I do about it. If they did make a mistake, it will be worked out in the appeals process. And if he truly did nothing, then he should go through that process to get his name cleared and get that satisfaction.
 

Crosby said:
Exactly right! You don't know either. So why do so many on the board seem to think they know that someone completely non-involved is being punished? I don't buy it. If the investigating body found enough there to warrant a punishment, then so be it. They know more than I do about it. If they did make a mistake, it will be worked out in the appeals process. And if he truly did nothing, then he should go through that process to get his name cleared and get that satisfaction.
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Simple answers from a simpleton.
 

GameDay said:
For what it's worth with someone who has a little more knowledge, incident or not, Antoine Jr. has been described to me by many of his peers as someone who has always been notoriously creepy and demeaning towards girls. Just as Dorsey was known for being a notorious trouble maker back in his Gopher days. I understand Winfield is a promising CB, but we don't need any of that in our program culture. Good riddens. Rather have high character guys like Coney Durr representing our program at the CB spots.
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Yep. He's a creepy dude around everyone (per a player). And he wasn't the guy in bed texting his girlfriend. He was in the "train" line cheering, and sent some awful texts. He gone and good riddance.
 

LesBolstad said:
Yep. He's a creepy dude around everyone (per a player). And he wasn't the guy in bed texting his girlfriend. He was in the "train" line cheering, and sent some awful texts. He gone and good riddance.
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When I wanted him to stay I had no idea he had sent awful texts. Yeah, he needs to go.


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Herm Edward's famous line? “That name on the back of your jersey belongs to your parents. It don’t belong to you.”
Antoine Jr., making Dad proud on and off the field.
 

Crosby said:
Screw you, Pal. I guess we think that report was just completely made up and they just randomly picked people to throw under the bus. Really? Truly? If it's a case of mistaken identity or whatever, fine. Then Jr. should have had no negative fallout. The truth will work out in the appeals process. But... anyone who was near the scene that night should have been punished including the girl.

BTW, your racist comment? Pathetic.

Wolitarsky's dad should have broken his foot off in that kid's rear end too. Just for being the spokesman of the idiotic boycott.
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Go back to the iron range where being diverse means you know an Italian.


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